Question NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 REVIEWS, – Faster Than GTX 1070 Ti For $349 US

[happy medium]

if you find a review please post it., i'll put it on the first page.

AnandTech review
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13762/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-6gb-review

1. PC master race
http://www.pcmrace.com/2019/01/07/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review/
2. Gamers Nexus
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...-founders-edition-review-benchmark-vs-vega-56
3. guru 3d
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-rtx-2060-review-(founder),1.html
4. Toms hardware
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-ray-tracing-turing,5960.html

 

[PeterScott]

@PeterScott
I don't know about Vega 56 but i know 580 can do 60fps if you put the settings at medium or high at 1440p. So the argument that you need a $350 card for 1440p is not really true. Also medium in most games still looks great. You can try it yourself. So gamers who need a great 1080p card don't really need a 2060. For 1440p its a good choice but vram limited if one likedls to keep cards for more than 2 years.

If you are already compromising down to Medium settings to play todays games at 1440p. How much life are you going to get out that card?

 

[mohit9206]

If you are already compromising down to Medium settings to play todays games at 1440p. How much life are you going to get out that card?

Well its a $200 card. Play it for as long as it can, then drop down to 1080p for the next leg of its life. Easy 3 to 4 years out of it. $50 per year. Amazing value. 2060 at $350 is a good product as well considering one keeps it for 4 years then its just $90 a year. Not bad either.

 

[happy medium]

GTX 2050ti = GTX 1060 range
GTX 2050 = GTX 1050ti range
GT 2030 = GTX 1050 range
GT 2010 = GT 2030 range

So far every tier has received at least a 35%/ 50% performance uplift.
You might be right, but im expecting a lower end 60 series faster than the rx590.
Mabe like gtx980ti (76% on this chart )speeds for about 275/ $300.

 

[Dribble]

GTX 2050ti = GTX 1060 range
GTX 2050 = GTX 1050ti range
GT 2030 = GTX 1050 range
GT 2010 = GT 2030 range

It wouldn't surprise me if the 2050/Ti supported DLSS but not RTX.

 

[mohit9206]

2050ti cannot possibly be more than 200. That leaves a big gaping hole between 2050ti and 2060 which nvidia may fill with a 1160.

 

[LTC8K6]

2050ti cannot possibly be more than 200. That leaves a big gaping hole between 2050ti and 2060 which nvidia may fill with a 1160.

If it has 1060 performance, then it will be at a 1060 price.
Why wouldn't it?

 

[happy medium]

If it has 1060 performance, then it will be at a 1060 price.
Why wouldn't it?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti

The name is not yet fully confirmed, although we have heard it from two sources (three including the source of this picture).
The GeForce GTX 1660 Ti is to become NVIDIA’s first Turing-based card under GTX brand. Essentially, this card lacks ray tracing features of RTX series, which should (theoretically) result in a lower price.
New SKU features TU116 graphics processor and 1536 CUDA cores. This means that GTX 1660 Ti will undoubtedly be slower than RTX 2060.
On a contrary to some rumors, our sources claim that GTX 1660 Ti still features GDDR6 memory and a 192-bit bus. So far we have not heard anything about GDDR5(X) variants.
The launch date is not yet set. The new card is likely to be released as GTX 1060 series will fully disappear from the market, so probably not long from now.

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-to-feature-1536-cuda-cores

This card will be about 20% slower than a rtx2060..

puts it a bit faster than a rx 590 but slower than a Vega 56.
Perfect tier placement, Nvidia will have every performance segment covered.

The 1660 non ti will be a cut down ~ 1200 core TU116 chip at rx 480 speeds.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If it has 1060 performance, then it will be at a 1060 price.
Why wouldn't it?

Because they want people who already decided the 1060 wasn't worth it to upgrade?

 

[LTC8K6]

Because they want people who already decided the 1060 wasn't worth it to upgrade?

So far, the cards seem to have been priced within their performance niche. I expect they will continue to do that.

 

[PeterScott]

2050ti cannot possibly be more than 200. That leaves a big gaping hole between 2050ti and 2060 which nvidia may fill with a 1160.

Do you mean can't be less than $200? The more the 2050ti costs the smaller the hole/gap between them is.

Given the way NVidia moved everything up the price chain, I pretty much expect the 2050 Ti to be over $200.

2050ti might be the 7nm pipe cleaner part for NVidia (so we might be waiting a while). If this is the case I would expect above 1060 performance, with power. It will make a great laptop/SFF/HTPC chip.

 

[mohit9206]

Do you mean can't be less than $200? The more the 2050ti costs the smaller the hole/gap between them is.

Given the way NVidia moved everything up the price chain, I pretty much expect the 2050 Ti to be over $200.

2050ti might be the 7nm pipe cleaner part for NVidia (so we might be waiting a while). If this is the case I would expect above 1060 performance, with power. It will make a great laptop/SFF/HTPC chip.

I meant it can't be above 200. Because 1050ti was 139 and you cannot increase a lower mid range card price by 100 dollars and still call it x50ti. It will be either have to be renamed or sell at most 199. Also i think x50 cards from Turing will stick with 4gb vram so you cannot price a 4gb card above 200 either. Unless they go with 6gb and a renaming.

 

[happy medium]

I meant it can't be above 200. Because 1050ti was 139 and you cannot increase a lower mid range card price by 100 dollars and still call it x50ti. It will be either have to be renamed or sell at most 199. Also i think x50 cards from Turing will stick with 4gb vram so you cannot price a 4gb card above 200 either. Unless they go with 6gb and a renaming.

it will be called the gtx1560
$279 6gb 1660ti=gtx980ti/gtx1070
$220 cut down 5gb 1660=rx480/580
$179 4gb 1560 no Ti version= 1060 3gb or rx570
$129 cut down 3gb 1530= 1050ti

 

[Head1985]

The only problem I see is people always trying to find an excuse of the ever higher price.

GTX 1080 with a 314mm2 die size and MSRP price of $599 had the excuse of using a new 16nm process back in 2016 vs the GTX 980
Today the RTX 2060 with a 445mm2 die size produced at TSMCs 12nm and MSRP of $349 has the excuse of the large die size.

Next year people will digest the even higher price of the new 7nm cards because of the new more expensive process (again)

The big problem for the consumer the last 8 years is that he is getting lower and lower performance per price segment.

For example,
In 2010 at the $349 price point (GTX 570) the consumer was able to get 85-90% of the fastest card in the market the GTX 580
In 2013 at the $349 price point (GTX 670) the consumer was able to get 75-80% of the fastest card in the market the GTX 780
In 2017 at the $349 price point (GTX 1070) the consumer was able to get 60-75% of the fastest card in the market the GTX 1080Ti
In 2019 at the $349 price point (RTX 2060) the consumer is able to get 50% of the fastest card in the market the RTX 2080Ti

This is what i dont understand.Why are forums full of people defending price increase?Prices in latest 9years doubled or trippled yet those shills still defending those prices.

We used to pay 500USD for Top end GPU or if that was little over 600usd like with 8800GTX the price went down very fast and half year after launch price was even bellow 500usd.Same with GTX280.Nv launched it at 650usd and drop to 500usd like month later...Today 2080TI cutdown die cost 1200USD.Thats 2,4x price increase in last 9years.
Same with midrange.Untill kepler we used to pay for x04 Die(midrange die) 200-250USD.After kepler it was 500+ and today we paying 800USD for rtx2080.Thats 3,2x increse price in just 9years.
Worst on that is also that prices just stays same for almost 3 years...

If we apply pre-kepler pricing it should be like this:
TITAN RTX 500USD-GTX580
RTX2080TI 350USD-Its just GTX570
RTX2080-250USD-This is just GTX560TI nothing more
RTX2070-200USD-GTX560
RTX2060-150USD-GTX550TI
Its really sad how nvidia destroyed gpu market because bad competition from AMD.

 

[VirtualLarry]

then mabe a gtx2030 card as fast as a gtx1050ti for $130.

That wouldn't be so bad. In fact, given GTX 1050ti 4GB prices, that would be a good thing. Most of them strangely go for $169 and up. Puzzles me a bit, since you can get an arguably-better RX 570 4GB card for $140-160.

 

[Bouowmx]

My bet on GeForce GTX 1160 is: Core is 1536 cores (1.2x that of GP106/GeForce GTX 1060), and no tensor and RT cores. Memory is 6 GB, 192 bit, 12 GT/s GDDR6, 288 GB/s. Power is 120-150 W. Performance is like GeForce GTX 1070. Price is 250 USD (can't be more than 0.8x of 350).

 

[Leadbox]

Expect a 2050Ti card cut from the same TU106, 30-40% faster than a 1060 and that's nvidia done with Turing skus; well except maybe a 2070Ti depending on where vega VII lies. Not only have they moved prices up a tier, they may well have dropped a tier this go round. Just my opinion.

 

[happy medium]

Expect a 2050Ti card cut from the same TU106, 30-40% faster than a 1060 and that's nvidia done with Turing skus; well except maybe a 2070Ti depending on where vega VII lies. Not only have they moved prices up a tier, they may well have dropped a tier this go round. Just my opinion.

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-to-feature-1536-cuda-cores

 

[LTC8K6]

That wouldn't be so bad. In fact, given GTX 1050ti 4GB prices, that would be a good thing. Most of them strangely go for $169 and up. Puzzles me a bit, since you can get an arguably-better RX 570 4GB card for $140-160.

I was just going to mention current 1050ti prices...they are quite a bit higher than people seem to think. Many are around $180.00.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I was just going to mention current 1050ti prices...they are quite a bit higher than people seem to think. Many are around $180.00.

I don't understand it, either. It's just not that powerful a card. I bought a couple for $120 ea., last year some time, or maybe 1.5 years ago. I guess word-of-mouth makes it a popular card, and retailers gouge because of that?

 

[Leadbox]

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https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-to-feature-1536-cuda-cores

How much salt do I need to take with that? Could still be the same TU106 die with that stuff disabled, making it a Gtx rather than Rtx. Guess we'll see when/if it comes out.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Assuming for a second, that the GTX 1660 is real, somehow. With 1536 CUDA cores, and appropriate clocks, could that not be an RX 570/580 killer? (Depending on clocks?) Should be interesting to see pricing too, if true.

I'm waiting for a $200-250 card, that wipes the floor with the RX 570/580-class cards. I don't care if it's from AMD (7nm, come on!), or NVidia (yeah, I know... I might still buy one). Also important is Folding@Home performance, though it might take 6 months for the F@H client to optimize for new cards / architectures.

Edit: I literally just pulled a stack of RX 570 cards out of my mining / Folding rigs, last night/this morning. Sitting here, wondering what to do with them. Put them individually into some rigs, and try to sell as entry-level gaming PCs (used)? Or just sell all four as a bundle on FS/FT here for $500 or so.

Itching to trying new stuff. I mailed off an RX 470 card that I thought was slightly knackered, but as it turned it, it probably wasn't, for the cost of postage to someone on here. He certainly got a good deal. (You know who you are. )

There's this, AMD is "promising" new mid-range 7nm cards in the upcoming year. Sounds good to me! (RX 570, getting kind of old at this point.)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-cto-mark-papermaster-promises-more-radeon-products-this-year

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So is GTX 1660 Ti not supposed to have any of the tensor core stuff, so a much smaller die?

 

[LTC8K6]

Releasing a 1660 or 1160 card would baffle me as far as what the heck NV is doing. Maybe I can see 1160, but 1660 just seems out of left field.

 

[happy medium]

With 1536 CUDA cores, and appropriate clocks, could that not be an RX 570/580 killer?

It would be rx 590 killer with a full TU116 die..
The cut down TU116 die would be the rx 570 killer.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Since NV made fun of the 1180 predictions, and has gone all the way with RT marketing, it seems unlikely that we will see any 11XX cards.

Yeah, the rumors of the 1160 seem to have died down recently. I'll probably give it a few more weeks and then make a decision.