nVidia GT200 Series Review Thread

[OCGuy]

ZZZZZZ Unless you have reliable benchmarks of the ATI cards, what you say is meaningless. I can play that game too, watch.


The new ATI cards will perform 60% less than a 8600GS.


Prove me wrong, right now, before the NDA is up. Oh, you cant. See how easy it is to say rediculous things when there is not data to back it up?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
ZZZZZZ Unless you have reliable benchmarks of the ATI cards, what you say is meaningless. I can play that game too, watch.


The new ATI cards will perform 60% less than a 8600GS.


Prove me wrong, right now, before the NDA is up. Oh, you cant. See how easy it is to say rediculous things when there is not data to back it up?

I don't need benchmarks when I have this statement:

The other thing I have to say before I wrap this all up is that I?ve tested the HD 4850, and I?ve tested it in Crossfire. Now, if I hadn?t tested those cards I may have been more impressed with the GTX 280, but I have. I?ve seen the performance figures the cards put out. We also know the price on a pair of HD 4850s is going to be under $600 AUD, while the new GTX 280 in stock form seems to be launching at the absolute cheapest in Australia in the low $700 AUD area. Ouch.

http://www.tweaktown.com/revie...al_thoughts/index.html

And from AMD itself, the HD 4850 will offer on average 75% the performance of the GTX 280 at $199, while in Crossfire it will provide 30% higher performance than the GTX 280 on average.

"AMD says its 4850 device at about 110 W and $199 will deliver about 75 percent of the performance of Nvidia's high-end GTX280 which costs $649 and dissipates 236W. Two of the AMD [4850] parts on a board will hit graphics benchmarks about 30 percent higher than the Nvidia device, the AMD spokesman added.

http://www.eetimes.com/rss/sho...SSfeed_eetimes_newsRSS

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
ZZZZZZ Unless you have reliable benchmarks of the ATI cards, what you say is meaningless. I can play that game too, watch.


The new ATI cards will perform 60% less than a 8600GS.


Prove me wrong, right now, before the NDA is up. Oh, you cant. See how easy it is to say rediculous things when there is not data to back it up?

You don't need to include any future ATI cards in the discussion for your position to be wrong. (Regardless of how they perform there is already another card in the Nvidia line that keeps the crown away from GTX 280)

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ricleo2
Man oh Man. Several years ago I bought some stock in Nvidia at about $12.00 each. It eventually split twice and I sold it all at around $70.00 each. After that I became an Nvidia fan boy. Slowly over time I have become unenamered with the CEO. His arrogance knows no bounds. I am wondering if he has anybody on his staff that will tell him no or is not afraid to disagree with him. That might explain this sorry new card and other sorry products Nvidia has been putting out. And yes, I am pissed.

you have to be a giant slayer to take on nvidia. allow me to funnel it down to the important parts:

1. gt200=sucks at $649
2. huang = steve jobs of video cards

 

[bryanW1995]

...wow, I only hit "reply" once...really...stupid dp

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Extelleron

As for immature drivers... I don't see that being the case. 177.26 -> 177.34 did little to nothing. Why would drivers be immature?

177.26 vs. 177.34

1900x1200 noAA High Quality
177.26 = 38.75
177.34 = 48.55 (+25%)

1900x1200 noAA Very High Quality
177.26 = 29.31
177.34 = 42.80 (+46%)

... I am gonna go download 177.34 then

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Extelleron

As for immature drivers... I don't see that being the case. 177.26 -> 177.34 did little to nothing. Why would drivers be immature?

177.26 vs. 177.34

1900x1200 noAA High Quality
177.26 = 38.75
177.34 = 48.55 (+25%)

1900x1200 noAA Very High Quality
177.26 = 29.31
177.34 = 42.80 (+46%)

... I am gonna go download 177.34 then

Those results are a fake in MS Paint by an Italian guy. There is little to no difference going to 177.34 (although it wouldn't hurt).

 

[taltamir]

thanks for the info... Actually I couldn't FIND 177.34... laptopvideo2go.com only has 177.26
(and it has to be there cause I need the modded inf to install on my 8800GTS 512)

Supposedly 177 enables CUDA physX! I gotta try it out!

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: ricleo2
Man oh Man. Several years ago I bought some stock in Nvidia at about $12.00 each. It eventually split twice and I sold it all at around $70.00 each. After that I became an Nvidia fan boy. Slowly over time I have become unenamered with the CEO. His arrogance knows no bounds. I am wondering if he has anybody on his staff that will tell him no or is not afraid to disagree with him. That might explain this sorry new card and other sorry products Nvidia has been putting out. And yes, I am pissed.

you have to be a giant slayer to take on nvidia. allow me to funnel it down to the important parts:

1. gt200=sucks at $649
2. huang = steve jobs of video cards

By the time I would need it (2560 x 1600 res monitor or next gen games) it will either be 55nm, a smaller bus + GDDR5 version might be available, and it would probably cost less then it does now, and AMD would also have something nice to go against it...
So for the time being I am not buying.

 

[JACKDRUID]

to Extelleron you are such a ATI fanTard..
just have to say that... or are you getting paid by AMD

in every post, EVERY post, you make assumption that 4850/70 is going to be faster than 280 without any prove what so ever.... just makes me sick..

to Ocguy31

G280 sucks hard price/performance/heat/environmentally friendliness. G260 is definately a good value, consider that it is a single card without limitation of SLI/Crossfire.

 

[ddarko]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
ZZZZZZ Unless you have reliable benchmarks of the ATI cards, what you say is meaningless. I can play that game too, watch.


The new ATI cards will perform 60% less than a 8600GS.


Prove me wrong, right now, before the NDA is up. Oh, you cant. See how easy it is to say rediculous things when there is not data to back it up?

This attitude is pure chutzpah. You would think that after all the bragging assertions of penile supremacy in the now-deleted Nvidia G200 pre-launch thread - many of them issued by Nvidia insiders who either dissembled or were misled by the company - have fallen short of the mark, you'd expect a bit more reserve and modesty would be called for. Before Nvidia's launch, a common answer to complaints about Nvidia's high pricing was that some users are willing to pay for top performance. Now, it appears some users will pay top dollar for the sake of paying top dollar, even if it offers less performance. The self-justification is mind boggling.

 

[taltamir]

what is wrong with environmental friendliness of the GTX 280? It idles at 25 watts, which is lower then any mid and high end card on the market from both nvidia and AMD. And it can even be turned off completely under extremely rare circumstances (who in their right mind would combine an AMD machine with a GTX 280?)

Also, bigger badder chip means that you need less cards, so you don't have to waste all those resources about making, packaging, and shipping those 2 or 3 cards the customer buys...
It also does more calculations per watt, making it the most efficient calculator in the world, which is why nvidia made a U1 rack of those where they can run C code and be the best per watt scientific calculators.

And if you pay the little extra for 100% renewable energy (like i do):
1. You are producing 0% of the pollution an average person does (rather then skimping and skimping to make 90% of the pollution)
2. The more you WASTE the better off the environment, because you are subsidizing research, deployment, and development of renewable technology.

 

[HOOfan 1]

if it weren't for the 9800GX2...then maybe nvidia could get away with the GTX 280 at $650. I doubt they will sell that many until the price drops to $550 and below, which I suspect it will if ATI has a good showing in 2 weeks.

If we see twin 4870 in crossfire edging out the GTX 280 by a good 10%-20% margin then the HD4870X2 will obviously spoil the GTX 280's coming out party, and nvidia will have to drop the price accordingly.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

overpriced at anything over $499.

What in the world are you basing that on? Someone please answer me! What did the 9800gx2 launch at? Now you get that performance and even better, without having to deal with SLI. Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

really, the gtx 280 has better performance than the 9800gx2? techreport, anandtech, ars, hardwarecanuks, and any other reputable site seems to disagree with you.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
if it weren't for the 9800GX2...then maybe nvidia could get away with the GTX 280 at $650. I doubt they will sell that many until the price drops to $550 and below, which I suspect it will if ATI has a good showing in 2 weeks.

If we see twin 4870 in crossfire edging out the GTX 280 by a good 10%-20% margin then the HD4870X2 will obviously spoil the GTX 280's coming out party, and nvidia will have to drop the price accordingly.

I can't imagine anyone who wasted the money for a GX2 or even 2x GX2 who wouldn't go for a tri SLI GTX 280... or even just SLI two GTX 280 now and add a third one later when they find a game they can't max out...

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

overpriced at anything over $499.

What in the world are you basing that on? Someone please answer me! What did the 9800gx2 launch at? Now you get that performance and even better, without having to deal with SLI. Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

really, the gtx 280 has better performance than the 9800gx2? techreport, anandtech, ars, hardwarecanuks, and any other reputable site seems to disagree with you.

No Hardwarecanucks showed the GTX 280 faster than the 9800GX2...so did Hardocp and Thefiringsquad and driver heaven and to some extent Hardware Secrets.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
to Extelleron you are such a ATI fanTard..
just have to say that... or are you getting paid by AMD

in every post, EVERY post, you make assumption that 4850/70 is going to be faster than 280 without any prove what so ever.... just makes me sick..

to Ocguy31

G280 sucks hard price/performance/heat/environmentally friendliness. G260 is definately a good value, consider that it is a single card without limitation of SLI/Crossfire.

The HD 4850/4870 will not be faster than the GTX 280. I never said that and that is a blatantly false statement. The HD 4870 may come close to the GTX 280 in performance, or equal it.

HD 4870 X2 though....it has nothing to do with fanboyism, it's logic. I don't need to back up my statement here because I've beaten this to death elsewhere.

And BTW here's all the cards I have owned in my life:

ATI - Radeon 9600, X1900XT 512MB
nVidia - 8800GTS 640MB, 8800GT 512MB, 8800GTS 512MB

Gee I'm such a fanboy aren't I. :disgust:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

overpriced at anything over $499.

What in the world are you basing that on? Someone please answer me! What did the 9800gx2 launch at? Now you get that performance and even better, without having to deal with SLI. Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

really, the gtx 280 has better performance than the 9800gx2? techreport, anandtech, ars, hardwarecanuks, and any other reputable site seems to disagree with you.

So 2 GPUs of the previous generation barely match or outperform 1 gpu of the new generation on games that scale well. Sounds like progress to me!

Its better than AMDs position, where 2 GPUs of the new generation will barely match or outpreform 1 GPU of NV new gen on games that scale well and artificial benchmarks. (3dmark)


And I am with everyone else on the theory that the GTX280 will NOT be $650 for long. They are trying to see how many takers they have before the ATI launch. Im giving it 1-2 months, and then im on it like flys on a Phenom! (Sorry, had to throw that in there)

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

overpriced at anything over $499.

What in the world are you basing that on? Someone please answer me! What did the 9800gx2 launch at? Now you get that performance and even better, without having to deal with SLI. Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

really, the gtx 280 has better performance than the 9800gx2? techreport, anandtech, ars, hardwarecanuks, and any other reputable site seems to disagree with you.

No Hardwarecanucks showed the GTX 280 faster than the 9800GX2...so did Hardocp and Thefiringsquad and driver heaven and to some extent Hardware Secrets.

Everyone showed that the GTX280 is sometimes faster, and sometimes slower then the GX2.

It really depends on the settings. Higher resolution, Higher AA/AF, and Higher settings are all things that the GTX280 just handles better. Especially the higher AA/AF, you can supposedly enable 16xAA even at very high resolutions with minimal impact, while the same done on a G92 devastates performance.

What I wanna know is... why is the 9800GTX still priced at 250-300$? it is totally obsolete.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
to Extelleron you are such a ATI fanTard..
just have to say that... or are you getting paid by AMD

in every post, EVERY post, you make assumption that 4850/70 is going to be faster than 280 without any prove what so ever.... just makes me sick..

to Ocguy31

G280 sucks hard price/performance/heat/environmentally friendliness. G260 is definately a good value, consider that it is a single card without limitation of SLI/Crossfire.

The HD 4850/4870 will not be faster than the GTX 280. I never said that and that is a blatantly false statement. The HD 4870 may come close to the GTX 280 in performance, or equal it.

HD 4870 X2 though....it has nothing to do with fanboyism, it's logic. I don't need to back up my statement here because I've beaten this to death elsewhere.

And BTW here's all the cards I have owned in my life:

ATI - Radeon 9600, X1900XT 512MB
nVidia - 8800GTS 640MB, 8800GT 512MB, 8800GTS 512MB

Gee I'm such a fanboy aren't I. :disgust:

Yup... Considering even the 9800 equals/beats it alot of times, its a no brainer than the 4870x2 will stomp all over it, unless it has horrible drivers for CF

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

overpriced at anything over $499.

What in the world are you basing that on? Someone please answer me! What did the 9800gx2 launch at? Now you get that performance and even better, without having to deal with SLI. Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

really, the gtx 280 has better performance than the 9800gx2? techreport, anandtech, ars, hardwarecanuks, and any other reputable site seems to disagree with you.

No Hardwarecanucks showed the GTX 280 faster than the 9800GX2...so did Hardocp and Thefiringsquad and driver heaven and to some extent Hardware Secrets.

sorry about hardware canucks. so 3 1/2 out of 16 sites show minimally faster fps with gtx 280 and 12 1/2 out of 16 show quite a bit faster with 9800gx2. THIS site shows 9800gx2 significantly faster. If we take the average of every single test from every single site I'm fairly confident that we'll see a consensus of a slightly slower gtx 280 but that it's still a better card b/c it's a single gpu and has none of the inherent problems with sli/crossfire. The major beef that most impartial prospective owners have is that the card doesn't offer $650 worth of performance. If I was in the market for a high end card right now I'd look at a gtx 260 vs a 4870, the 280 wouldn't even be in the mix.

edit: I think that tom's summed it up nicely:

The new very-high-end GTX 280 from Nvidia ($650) suffers a little from comparison with the 9800 GX2, which regularly bested its performance in tests, despite the inherent and irremediable drawbacks of bi-GPU cards. But in reality, the real threat is from the card?s ?little sister,? the GTX 260, especially since the price will almost buy you two GTX 260s to run in SLI!

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JPB

Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

Once the new ATI cards are released, the quote above is going in my signature.

:laugh:

Im going to hold you to that. As soon as I get my 280, Ill bench against your 4870.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JPB

Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

Once the new ATI cards are released, the quote above is going in my signature.

:laugh:

Im going to hold you to that. As soon as I get my 280, Ill bench against your 4870.

What if he's getting 2 4850's instead? :evil:

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

overpriced at anything over $499.

What in the world are you basing that on? Someone please answer me! What did the 9800gx2 launch at? Now you get that performance and even better, without having to deal with SLI. Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

really, the gtx 280 has better performance than the 9800gx2? techreport, anandtech, ars, hardwarecanuks, and any other reputable site seems to disagree with you.

So 2 GPUs of the previous generation barely match or outperform 1 gpu of the new generation on games that scale well. Sounds like progress to me!

Its better than AMDs position, where 2 GPUs of the new generation will barely match or outpreform 1 GPU of NV new gen on games that scale well and artificial benchmarks. (3dmark)


And I am with everyone else on the theory that the GTX280 will NOT be $650 for long. They are trying to see how many takers they have before the ATI launch. Im giving it 1-2 months, and then im on it like flys on a Phenom! (Sorry, had to throw that in there)

So now your argument is all about progress? This progress isn't worth the $$ at the moment nor is it performance king.
Now the price will drop. The situation will be different then and my opinions may be different. Until then let's talk about what is now.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JPB

Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

Once the new ATI cards are released, the quote above is going in my signature.

:laugh:

Im going to hold you to that. As soon as I get my 280, Ill bench against your 4870.

4870 doesn't compete with GTX 280. HD 4870 X2, or HD 4870 Crossfire, does. But I have a feeling there will be certain instances where HD 4870 will equal the GTX 280, not many, but a few. And it's half the price ($299/$329 vs $649). Given the price difference, if the HD 4870 offerings 80-90% the performance of the 280... it wins. Given that the official figure for the 4850 is 75% of GTX 280, 90% of 280 for the 4870 would be reasonable.

It's not so much that the 4850 & 4870 are more impressive now than before... it's just GT200 turned out not so impressive. For example, HD 4870 is supposed to be 40% faster than 9800GTX in Crysis (leaked slides)..... but 40% more in Crysis makes it faster than the GTX 280. So all it needs to do is hit the performance it was rumored to reach, and it will be good competition for the GTX 200 series.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JPB

Too many ATI boys in here today. I cant wait to trash those cards when they come out for not even touching the GTX280.

Once the new ATI cards are released, the quote above is going in my signature.

:laugh:

Im going to hold you to that. As soon as I get my 280, Ill bench against your 4870.

What if he's getting 2 4850's instead? :evil:

Then I would bench it against 2 GTX260s :thumbsup: