nVidia GT200 Series Thread

[Rusin]

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[Nemesis 1]

So your one of those people out their holding down a job that dates back to caveMan writings. How many years AMD 64 been out . WEREs all the programs for the desktop. How ya doing at dual threads. I bet you can do 8 threads in your sleep.

Sorry but the software industry is sucking wind bigtime. Under qualified programmers is the biggest problem . Its a real problem when they bring their software knowledge into hardware thread.

CAN NV do the do the 1 game out. that is DX10.1 . I didn't ask if it could play the game. But can it take advantage of everthing DX10.1 has to offer. ALmost all of us know the ans. already. Your doing a fair job of confusing the issue but no cigar.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
So your one of those people out their holding down a job that dates back to caveMan writings. How many years AMD 64 been out . WEREs all the programs for the desktop. How ya doing at dual threads. I bet you can do 8 threads in your sleep.

Sorry but the software industry is sucking wind bigtime. Under qualified programmers is the biggest problem . Its a real problem when they bring their software knowledge into hardware thread.

CAN NV do the do the 1 game out. that is DX10.1 . I didn't ask if it could play the game. But can it take advantage of everthing DX10.1 has to offer. ALmost all of us know the ans. already. Your doing a fair job of confusing the issue but no cigar.

If programmers didn't exist you'd have thought typwriter is a pretty cool gadget. I see you have a very limited knowledge about what you are talking about, Anyway NV don't do games.

And anyone can do DX10 and 10.1 games without DX10 hardware through software emulation until compatible hardware is supplied.

Also with Windows, you can virtually have any number of threads, that is processed through hardware threads like dual,quad etc. But am not stopping you, I'll let you keep spreading FUD in peace

 

[Kuzi]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Kuzi

Originally posted by: Rusin
...if Nvidia keeps up with their trend GTX 280 would be around 8800 GTX level in realistic power consumption.

I'd say the GTX280 would have 50-60W higher realistic power consumption compared to the 8800GTX, so 130+60=190W.

That would be rather pessimistic number; 82% from TDP.
G80's number was 75%, G92's 70% and G94's 60%

From someone's post..can't remember which.. I added percentage-number
G80GTX: TDP 175W, 3D load: 132W 75.4%
G80GTS: TDP 140W, 3D load: 105W 75%
G92GT : TDP 110W, 3D load: 78W 70.9%
G92GTS: TDP 140W, 3D load: 100W 71.4%
G94GT : TDP 100W, 3D load: 60W 60%
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R600XT: TDP 180W, 3D load: 162W 90%
RV670XT:TDP 125W, 3D load: 81W 64.8%
RV670P: TDP 95W, 3D load: 60W 63.2%

Yeah I did get what you are trying to say, NV may be more power efficient than ATI. This was only true for the R600XT, but ok.

I didn't get the 180-190W number from the 236W TDP, but got it from the size of the GTX280 (576mm2).

R600XT (size 420mm2) 3D load: 162W, the GTX280 is 37% bigger die size. So 162x0.37=59W, and 162+59=221W, that would be about 220W under 3D load for an ATI part that size (576mm2). But since we are talking about NV, I lowered the 3D power by about 13-18% to 180-190W, that seems the best estimation to me.

 

[Rusin]

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[Kuzi]

I give up

I just want to see a good fight between NV and ATI, high performance with cheap prices. It's funny now that I think about it, I've never owned an ATI video card. It just happend that when I decide to build a new system, Nvidia was the better choice for my needs.

First Nvidia card I bought was NV1, Diamond Edge 3000 4MB (1996) loool. It had 2D/3D+Sound+Two input ports for Sega Saturn Joypads. The 3D performance was good but it's 2D speed was horrible. Anyone remembers those NV1 cards?

Ended up replacing that a few months later with a Diamond Stealth (S3 Virge) for great 2D performance, and 3Dfx Voodoo 1 for 3D, was a nice combo.

 

[Rusin]

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[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
So your one of those people out their holding down a job that dates back to caveMan writings. How many years AMD 64 been out . WEREs all the programs for the desktop. How ya doing at dual threads. I bet you can do 8 threads in your sleep.

Sorry but the software industry is sucking wind bigtime. Under qualified programmers is the biggest problem . Its a real problem when they bring their software knowledge into hardware thread.

CAN NV do the do the 1 game out. that is DX10.1 . I didn't ask if it could play the game. But can it take advantage of everthing DX10.1 has to offer. ALmost all of us know the ans. already. Your doing a fair job of confusing the issue but no cigar.

As someone who knows the truth, I can tell you you're wasting your time trying to disparage these products Nemesis. There's no ambiguity about what's coming.

Nothing that is said on the forums will matter, the reviews will show people what they need to know.


EDIT: Before anyone asks, I can't post anything specific about these products until NDA expires, as usual. Hint is the best I can do.

 

[Klinky1984]

Just wanted to pipe up that Aberforth is a bit <mistaken>. You can upgrade the BIOS on a graphics card but the instructions and shader engine are "hard coded" into silicon. They cannot be changed once manufactured(unless you have a radical redesign). Also your suggestion that 10/10.1 can be done in software until hardware is up to snuff, how do you intend on doing that? With the CPU that's currently pushing geometry, running game logic & doing physics? The CPU is not optimized to process shader instructions. It would be a horrible idea and offer terrible performance.

Let's not call people crazy needlessly, shall we?
-ViRGE

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
Just wanted to pipe up that Aberforth is a bit crazy. You can upgrade the BIOS on a graphics card but the instructions and shader engine are "hard coded" into silicon. They cannot be changed once manufactured(unless you have a radical redesign). Also your suggestion that 10/10.1 can be done in software until hardware is up to snuff, how do you intend on doing that? With the CPU that's currently pushing geometry, running game logic & doing physics? The CPU is not optimized to process shader instructions. It would be a horrible idea and offer terrible performance.

Back in 2006 we used to write DX10 codes that were software emulated before hardware was supplied. Anyway I see your knowledge is in the same class as your pal nemisis. I see no point in reasoning.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
So your one of those people out their holding down a job that dates back to caveMan writings. How many years AMD 64 been out . WEREs all the programs for the desktop. How ya doing at dual threads. I bet you can do 8 threads in your sleep.

Sorry but the software industry is sucking wind bigtime. Under qualified programmers is the biggest problem . Its a real problem when they bring their software knowledge into hardware thread.

CAN NV do the do the 1 game out. that is DX10.1 . I didn't ask if it could play the game. But can it take advantage of everthing DX10.1 has to offer. ALmost all of us know the ans. already. Your doing a fair job of confusing the issue but no cigar.

As someone who knows the truth, I can tell you you're wasting your time trying to disparage these products Nemesis. There's no ambiguity about what's coming.

Nothing that is said on the forums will matter, the reviews will show people what they need to know.


EDIT: Before anyone asks, I can't post anything specific about these products until NDA expires, as usual. Hint is the best I can do.

OK Rollo . Tell us the trueth. Can NVs present product do DX10.1 complete. Just ans Yes or no . Without the marketing. You were way more entertaining befor.

NDA can't stop ya from ans. that question. We pretty much know Aberforth is lost in space. See if you can't help him out DR.Smith since you were part of the lie.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Rusin
First problem with your calculations is that G80 were 15% larger than R600, but still it had better percentage.
Second..you can calculate it easier way 162*1.37=221 .
Third ..it ain't that simple. It's all about how they get that TDP number.. how theoretical it is..simply.

You guys really got into this power usage thing . But lets examine some facts. ATI R600 512bit power hungry beast. Fast forward. ATI 4870= 256b /GGR5. power usage lowlowered.

NV GTX280 512bit power hungry beast. 512bit/GGR3 power usage high.

It would be better to compare the R600 to the new GTX in power usage. Since both use 512b. Than add in all the extra transistors on 65nm monster and we will see a power pig .

 

[Rusin]

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[Nemesis 1]

It would be a cool trick if nv can pull that off. The 8800GTX was 16 rop and way less transitors. The new card has to be more layered card= $$$ = power usage(512b). A smart ans would be that GTX280 will use considerablly more real world power than the present gen. of cards. Since both share the same 65nm tech. No I think this time the power usage for NV is going to be a killer. Than the fact NV is getting like 80% defects on the waffers. Means ramping up is going to be tough.

Me Tarzan you cheata.

 

[Rusin]

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[HOOfan 1]

I thought this thread was for discussion of the GTX280, not a discussion of why someone thinks ATI will have a much better card.

Can we created a third sticky for all the fanboys to duke it out in? Maybe call it "My videocard can beat up your videocard"

 

[Rusin]

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[9nines]

I am wanting to build a new system but waiting on release of the GT200 cards. Some articles have hinted at mid/late June but nothing confirmed.

Anyone seen the latest on expected retail date?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


OK Rollo . Tell us the trueth. Can NVs present product do DX10.1 complete.

No.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Just ans Yes or no . Without the marketing.

So far, the most important part of the answer to this is beyond the yes or no, it's the "only one game, dev support gone, no info on upcoming titles either". It's one thing to have a feature, it's another to have use for it. (e.g. TruForm, or HDR on a 6800NU)

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You were way more entertaining befor.

You'll have to take that up with NVIDIA, they run the group differently than AEG did. (not to mention Derek W. at this site)

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
NDA can't stop ya from ans. that question. We pretty much know Aberforth is lost in space. See if you can't help him out DR.Smith since you were part of the lie.

Part of what lie? I'd never say current gen offers DX10.1 for NVIDIA, and can't comment on next gen yet.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 9nines
I am wanting to build a new system but waiting on release of the GT200 cards. Some articles have hinted at mid/late June but nothing confirmed.

Anyone seen the latest on expected retail date?

Inquirer says June17th is NDA end, which corresponds with launch date in recent history.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I thought this thread was for discussion of the GTX280, not a discussion of why someone thinks ATI will have a much better card.

Can we created a third sticky for all the fanboys to duke it out in? Maybe call it "My videocard can beat up your videocard"

It is and we are discussing the GTX280 . anf weather or not NV next gen card can do DX10.1 we know the present cards can't . Since the 200seies is same teck doughtful thay NVs next gen is DX10,1 complaint. But everyone is dancing arounf the issue. Since there is a DX10.1 game out it does matter.

You shpild also try reading the ATI 4000series thread. Alot of NV 200series BS in that thread.

On the other hand I just want to know 1 fact . CAN NV do DX10.1 . Thats my question . It does matter.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


OK Rollo . Tell us the trueth. Can NVs present product do DX10.1 complete.

No.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Just ans Yes or no . Without the marketing.

So far, the most important part of the answer to this is beyond the yes or no, it's the "only one game, dev support gone, no info on upcoming titles either". It's one thing to have a feature, it's another to have use for it. (e.g. TruForm, or HDR on a 6800NU)

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You were way more entertaining befor.

You'll have to take that up with NVIDIA, they run the group differently than AEG did. (not to mention Derek W. at this site)

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
NDA can't stop ya from ans. that question. We pretty much know Aberforth is lost in space. See if you can't help him out DR.Smith since you were part of the lie.

Part of what lie? I'd never say current gen offers DX10.1 for NVIDIA, and can't comment on next gen yet.

Actually rollo befor the R600 release you did say NV could do DX10 . This was befor DX10.1 was removed from DX10. Would you like me to find the topics and show ya.

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


OK Rollo . Tell us the trueth. Can NVs present product do DX10.1 complete.

No.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Just ans Yes or no . Without the marketing.

So far, the most important part of the answer to this is beyond the yes or no, it's the "only one game, dev support gone, no info on upcoming titles either". It's one thing to have a feature, it's another to have use for it. (e.g. TruForm, or HDR on a 6800NU)

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You were way more entertaining befor.

You'll have to take that up with NVIDIA, they run the group differently than AEG did. (not to mention Derek W. at this site)

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
NDA can't stop ya from ans. that question. We pretty much know Aberforth is lost in space. See if you can't help him out DR.Smith since you were part of the lie.

Part of what lie? I'd never say current gen offers DX10.1 for NVIDIA, and can't comment on next gen yet.

Actually rollo befor the R600 release you did say NV could do DX10 . This was befor DX10.1 was removed from DX10. Would you like me to find the topics and show ya.

Nvidia does do DX10, it doesn't do DX10.1. Since the DX10.1 features were removed from DX10, DX10.1 is no long part of DX10, no matter how many times you say it is or should be.

 

[Rusin]

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[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I thought this thread was for discussion of the GTX280, not a discussion of why someone thinks ATI will have a much better card.

Can we created a third sticky for all the fanboys to duke it out in? Maybe call it "My videocard can beat up your videocard"

It is and we are discussing the GTX280 . anf weather or not NV next gen card can do DX10.1 we know the present cards can't . Since the 200seies is same teck doughtful thay NVs next gen is DX10,1 complaint. But everyone is dancing arounf the issue. Since there is a DX10.1 game out it does matter.

You shpild also try reading the ATI 4000series thread. Alot of NV 200series BS in that thread.

On the other hand I just want to know 1 fact . CAN NV do DX10.1 . Thats my question . It does matter.

How does it matter? Does it provide significantly better image quality, or even an image quality difference that you don't have to look hard for? No.

Does it allow the DX10.1 cards to perform as well as the non DX 10.1 cards? No.

So really, the only way it matters is if you own and play the one game, and wish you had the 20% performance increase the DX10.1 cards get.

That is not mattering much, but as my crystal ball is in the shop, I don't know if it will matter more later.