nVidia GT200 Series Thread

[Heatlesssun]

I don't know what people expected from the GTX 280, but it looks like it delivers - 37 FPS in Crysis @ 1920x1200 VH, meanwhile 9800GX2 gets ~31. It's a solid 2x faster than the 8800 Ultra. The specifications support that performance, and I don't think there will be any magic drivers.

The problem this time is AMD is actually competing. The HD 4850 & HD 4870 are serious contenders, and they are very cheap to manufacture.

The 9800GX2 gets no where near 31 FPS very high, at least not on my sig rig. It's unplayable because of the stuttering. 37 FPS is well in excess of 2x real world 9800 GX2 at 1920x1200 very high settings for Crysis.

 

[gigahertz20]

Some site in some other language is selling the GTX 280 for 581 Euros.

http://www.tdshop.fr/Negozio.a...a=&CodProdotto=B994421

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
Dual GTX280's wont happen without built in water blocks. Considering the G80 didn't have a GX2 edition until the G92 at 65nm and the GT200 is actually a larger hotter core than G80, we won't see anything until GT200 is shrunk to 45nm or 40 nm at the least.

I wouldn't bet the rent on that.

Thermal constraints mean a GT200-GX2 on 65nm is impossible. Not only that, but imagine the PCB needed to accomodate 2x 576mm^2 chips with huge IHS. Not only that, but nVidia would have to use GDDR5 memory as it would be impossible to have 2x 512-bit bus for the 2 GPUs. And the thing would have to cost about $800-900 for it to be profitable.

55nm GT200 would still be above 400mm^2, so I highly doubt we would see a GX2 card from that. If we did, the clocks would have to be so low it wouldn't be worth it.

Actually I was only replying to "dual GTX 280s", not a GX2 type solution. Chewietobacco kind of strayed from nitro's point that dual/triple GTX 280s will be the high end solution, not dual/quad 48anything based on what we've seen so far.

Well that's one thing I have to agree with you on 100%.

One of the big disadvantages to AMD's approach with R700 / 3870 X2 is that it can never be a true ultra high end competitior even if it takes the performance crown. Scaling from 2->4 GPUs sucks, scaling from 1->2 GPUs is great. GTX 280 Tri-SLI will remain the ultimate graphics solution no matter what AMD does with R700. The only situation where HD 4870 X2's would be better is if you have an X38/X48 board and don't want to use an nVidia chipset (which is why nVidia needs to license SLI to Intel).

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Heatlesssun

I don't know what people expected from the GTX 280, but it looks like it delivers - 37 FPS in Crysis @ 1920x1200 VH, meanwhile 9800GX2 gets ~31. It's a solid 2x faster than the 8800 Ultra. The specifications support that performance, and I don't think there will be any magic drivers.

The problem this time is AMD is actually competing. The HD 4850 & HD 4870 are serious contenders, and they are very cheap to manufacture.

The 9800GX2 gets no where near 31 FPS very high, at least not on my sig rig. It's unplayable because of the stuttering. 37 FPS is well in excess of 2x real world 9800 GX2 at 1920x1200 very high settings for Crysis.

actual gameplay is typically half or less what the canned benchmark gets.

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Well that's one thing I have to agree with you on 100%.

One of the big disadvantages to AMD's approach with R700 / 3870 X2 is that it can never be a true ultra high end competitior even if it takes the performance crown. Scaling from 2->4 GPUs sucks, scaling from 1->2 GPUs is great. GTX 280 Tri-SLI will remain the ultimate graphics solution no matter what AMD does with R700. The only situation where HD 4870 X2's would be better is if you have an X38/X48 board and don't want to use an nVidia chipset (which is why nVidia needs to license SLI to Intel).

And that is really gonna hurt their already anemic processor sales.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Heatlesssun

I don't know what people expected from the GTX 280, but it looks like it delivers - 37 FPS in Crysis @ 1920x1200 VH, meanwhile 9800GX2 gets ~31. It's a solid 2x faster than the 8800 Ultra. The specifications support that performance, and I don't think there will be any magic drivers.

The problem this time is AMD is actually competing. The HD 4850 & HD 4870 are serious contenders, and they are very cheap to manufacture.

The 9800GX2 gets no where near 31 FPS very high, at least not on my sig rig. It's unplayable because of the stuttering. 37 FPS is well in excess of 2x real world 9800 GX2 at 1920x1200 very high settings for Crysis.

actual gameplay is typically half or less what the canned benchmark gets.

Especially since with Crysis, the canned benchmark is not nearly as demanding as the rest of the game.

I get maybe ~15 FPS with an OC'd 8800GTS 512MB when playing Crysis @ 1680x1050 VH no AA/AF. That's in the snow levels though, so it may be better elsewhere. Review sites really need to start making their own benchmarks up that use the snow level.

 

[taltamir]

the only one who does that is HardOCP, but their bechmarks are so stupid and confusing that this benefit is countered... oh and almost all benchmarks are done with a 1000$ CPU...

I really wish some sites will do a "walk in a straight line on snow level" type of benchmark.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
nVidia needs to license SLI to Intel

NV's insane CEO has already pissed intel off to the point that they are revoking their chipset licence for the Nehalem (future CPU). I don't think they will be giving them SLI any time soon. They seem to be aligning themselves with VIA, which could create a 3-horse race of sorts. Of the 3, AMD looks like the most balanced company. VIA has terrible CPUs and intel has horrific graphics.

NV may be in a bit of a situation if they indeed cannot make a chipset for Nehalem. In a way I suppose it's intel's way of forcing them to licence SLI. IMO it's fair game if NV wouldn't give it to them to begin with.

 

[BFG10K]

If nVidia doesn?t want to license SLI to Intel then they shouldn't expect Intel to license CPUs to them.

I actually think Intel should've done this earlier IMO as nVidia?s SLI lock-in is ridiculous.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: taltamir
the only one who does that is HardOCP, but their bechmarks are so stupid and confusing that this benefit is countered... oh and almost all benchmarks are done with a 1000$ CPU...

I really wish some sites will do a "walk in a straight line on snow level" type of benchmark.

ChrisRay does this sort of benchmarking on Rage3d, you'll see some 60-90 second averaged FRAPs benches from me on some interesting parts soon.

This method of benchmarking isn't very replicable, but does give actual gameplay results.

 

[MTDEW]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Extelleron
nVidia needs to license SLI to Intel

NV's insane CEO has already pissed intel off to the point that they are revoking their chipset licence for the Nehalem (future CPU). I don't think they will be giving them SLI any time soon. They seem to be aligning themselves with VIA, which could create a 3-horse race of sorts. Of the 3, AMD looks like the most balanced company. VIA has terrible CPUs and intel has horrific graphics.

NV may be in a bit of a situation if they indeed cannot make a chipset for Nehalem. In a way I suppose it's intel's way of forcing them to licence SLI. IMO it's fair game if NV wouldn't give it to them to begin with.

And i for one hope to god it works and we see Intel/ sli boards.

I just moved from and Intel/Ip35-e to a Nvidia sli/Asus P5n-t Deluxe sli board and im not impressed at all.

I wish Nvidia would get off its high horse, and just stick to making GPU's, which is apparently the only thing they're good at IMO.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Could you expand on this statement Rollo. you'll see some 60-90 second averaged FRAPs benches from me on some interesting parts soon.



1) Why soon why not now.

2) Must sell 280's before 4870x2 is released. If the 4870 is Good it won't matter 1 bit. Guys are alot smarter today rhan they were 2 years ago . Or more careful . They dam well better be or pawnage is in their future.

I been meaning to ask this question and guys its a loaded question. I usually have a reason for asking questions . This case is no differant.

Which scales better SLI or Xfire. I believe its Xfire but I want opinions. Also in the last few years has any poster came right out and said that Xfire would scale better than Sli .
Why does it scale better if it infact does.

Of course I know the ans to all my questions but I am interested in others take on this.

You know how they say History repeats itself. It does .

Remember the first intel 2 core processor . What junk. Its the same with 3870x2 not very impressive. Than C2D was released and Cache shared turned AMDs world upside down and inside out. Whos to say AMD hasn't pulled the same rabbit from its hat with the 4870 x2???

Rollo you been alot more active hear lately . So I assume the marketing has begun. For the record I to am now recieving free hardware. Thanks to this forum. Somebody out there likes me.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Could you expand on this statement Rollo. you'll see some 60-90 second averaged FRAPs benches from me on some interesting parts soon.



1) Why soon why not now.

2) Must sell 280's before 4870x2 is released. If the 4870 is Good it won't matter 1 bit. Guys are alot smarter today rhan they were 2 years ago . Or more careful . They dam well better be or pawnage is in their future.

I been meaning to ask this question and guys its a loaded question. I usually have a reason for asking questions . This case is no differant.

Which scales better SLI or Xfire. I believe its Xfire but I want opinions. Also in the last few years has any poster came right out and said that Xfire would scale better than Sli .
Why does it scale better if it infact does.

Of course I know the ans to all my questions but I am interested in others take on this.

You know how they say History repeats itself. It does .

Remember the first intel 2 core processor . What junk. Its the same with 3870x2 not very impressive. Than C2D was released and Cache shared turned AMDs world upside down and inside out. Whos to say AMD hasn't pulled the same rabbit from its hat with the 4870 x2???

Rollo you been alot more active hear lately . So I assume the marketing has begun. For the record I to am now recieving free hardware. Thanks to this forum. Somebody out there likes me.

Interesting stuff.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

[sarcasm]no no, you don't try to badmouth nVidia and celebrate ATI at all on these forums

and you never ever butcher the English language either.[/sarcasm]

I don't know why the moderators haven't flat told you to stay out of this thread already.

You obviously don't want to discuss the GTX 280/260 series at all. You want to discuss how much you love ATI and dislike nVidia.

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

No actually you're worse. nRollo has in big bolded letters that he receives free hardware. You post off topic post about why ATI is the 2nd coming and Nvidia is holding back progress in nearly every single post w/o disclosing 1) you get free ATI hardware 2) you shorted Nvidia stock.

 

[Darklife]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

[sarcasm]no no, you don't try to badmouth nVidia and celebrate ATI at all on these forums

and you never ever butcher the English language either.[/sarcasm]

I don't know why the moderators haven't flat told you to stay out of this thread already.

You obviously don't want to discuss the GTX 280/260 series at all. You want to discuss how much you love ATI and dislike nVidia.

Christ, finally somebody said it.

On topic, I hope the GTX 280 really is selling for 581 euros, that would mean the price is finally adjusted to the currency rate. So far the european prices have been numerically equal to those in the US, thus making the GPUs more expensive.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: taltamir
the only one who does that is HardOCP, but their bechmarks are so stupid and confusing that this benefit is countered... oh and almost all benchmarks are done with a 1000$ CPU...

I really wish some sites will do a "walk in a straight line on snow level" type of benchmark.

ChrisRay does this sort of benchmarking on Rage3d, you'll see some 60-90 second averaged FRAPs benches from me on some interesting parts soon.

This method of benchmarking isn't very replicable, but does give actual gameplay results.

I assume that will be post-NDA?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: golem

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

No actually you're worse. nRollo has in big bolded letters that he receives free hardware. You post off topic post about why ATI is the 2nd coming and Nvidia is holding back progress in nearly every single post w/o disclosing 1) you get free ATI hardware 2) you shorted Nvidia stock.

To stay on topic. I have zero doubts that the 280 will be fast. I hope it is . I want you guys to get a good card . But if one has to question certain things it would be this. Look at the ATI 4000 series thread and how the 800 shaders thing is thrown around and that ATIunifieded shaders are crap. Yet no warning . But if I were to bring up the lack of hardware on Nv 260/280 . I get warnings. Bottom line is this . The 280 should be a powerful useful gpu. But if ATI tops it or equels it in performance ATI gets the nod because of features. Its more future proof.

Offtopic I get my hardware to test it . Rollo gets his to market it . BIG DIFFERANCE.

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: golem

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

No actually you're worse. nRollo has in big bolded letters that he receives free hardware. You post off topic post about why ATI is the 2nd coming and Nvidia is holding back progress in nearly every single post w/o disclosing 1) you get free ATI hardware 2) you shorted Nvidia stock.

To stay on topic. I have zero doubts that the 280 will be fast. I hope it is . I want you guys to get a good card . But if one has to question certain things it would be this. Look at the ATI 4000 series thread and how the 800 shaders thing is thrown around and that ATIunifieded shaders are crap. Yet no warning . But if I were to bring up the lack of hardware on Nv 260/280 . I get warnings. Bottom line is this . The 280 should be a powerful useful gpu. But if ATI tops it or equels it in performance ATI gets the nod because of features. Its more future proof.

Offtopic I get my hardware to test it . Rollo gets his to market it . BIG DIFFERANCE.

Big what?

 

[JujuFish]

Holy Hell, a 5 year old can spell better than you, Nemesis. The fact that your posts are painful to read AND propagandistic makes it extremely hard to take anything you say seriously.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

...
Rollo you been alot more active hear lately . So I assume the marketing has begun. For the record I to am now recieving free hardware. Thanks to this forum. Somebody out there likes me.

Interesting stuff.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why do you find the bolded part interesting . Rollo . I have been recieving free ATI cards since the 800xtpe . The differance between why I recieve my parts is way differant than why you recieve yours. You get yours to lead people around like sheep and to confuse issues like DX10.1.

I on the other hand get mine to test the hardware. Big differance ROllo. Interesting now even more isn't it. I was only recieving 1 GPU per generation . No other hardware . Now I get Almost all of it . For beta testing not marketing.

You imply that you are receiving favorable treatment due to your forum posts. Doesn't sound a whole lot different to me.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: taltamir
the only one who does that is HardOCP, but their bechmarks are so stupid and confusing that this benefit is countered... oh and almost all benchmarks are done with a 1000$ CPU...

I really wish some sites will do a "walk in a straight line on snow level" type of benchmark.

ChrisRay does this sort of benchmarking on Rage3d, you'll see some 60-90 second averaged FRAPs benches from me on some interesting parts soon.

This method of benchmarking isn't very replicable, but does give actual gameplay results.

I assume that will be post-NDA?

As luck would have it, I think these benches will be done just about then! :beer:


The Beast is Ready to Devour.....

 

[Nemesis 1]

I hope ati and nv are really close this round. I mean tight. Everybody will be happy on the ATI side. I really don't care in this instance. As I like tech . Not any tech tho. Only the best tech. Its not only about performance . Future(proof) games Dx10.1 games will be showing up now Not everyone upgrades every year few infact do. Alot fewer than claimed thats for sure. Power demands I like green and I know ALL AMD fans do because I remember clear as day the P4 ee against AMD64 . AMD won easily. And the power consumption On every Hardware sight made a hugh deal out of it. Remember the R600 and the beating it took on power consumption . I hope the reviewers treat this launch the same . Well see. Dependability . I have never lost a ATI gpu ever. Were as I lost NV card and waited 4 months for the RMA. 4600ti. I can say bad about ATI also . But I don't have to others do that real well. Its just a gpu for crying out load its not like your PC won't run without an add in card. Hell another year its really going to get exciting. NV 10,ooo series ATI 5'000 series . Intel 1 series . I can say without doubt I will have a Intel GPU. Doesn't matter how it performs as long as it can run the games. I will be playing at that time. Scaling should be 100% x4 is alot of performance. or x3 or x2.

So this round here is interesting the next round is pure out and out war. ATI/NV/Intel god I get excited just thinking about it. I want to see what NV does in so far as DX10.1 goes . As ATI/ Intel will both be DX10.1 cards. SO both NV and Intel for me in the next round is going to be exciting is it not . ATI not so much they already have the tech . Because one game that had it but it was botched . Weather on purpose or not . A proper game done correct will creep into our lives than and only than will the trueth be revealed.

I know I am going to buy an NV 280 just to play with it. It will go in my Internet browser so I can play with it along with the C2D 8600 and DDR3 memory and a couple of New raptors.

But I will also recieve a 4850/4870/4870x2. 4850 I will give to my daughter . The 4870 goes in wifes gamer . I will likely have to buy 1 more 4870 to xfire. My gamer will get the 4870x2. So I will infact have all 4 cards. All using great hardware so I will know whats what just like the review sites. I actually did it today I am getting a K10 . LOL . YA I had to have it. It was a forced down my throat deal . But the NV 280 that I wanted. Just to see.

By the way every piece of hardware I have bought in the last 5 years except for 3 power supplies ALL good stuff. and the bad 4600ti that was RMA. Are all in service today . and everyone using this stuff is happy. I send in the info from everyone and were all happy.

Added 1 asus 800-e Died, It was a replacement for the max3 that had a bad fan . I had a guy wanted a P4c 3,2 on water with b5 memory corsair so I told him about my old max 3 that was memory volt mod and cpu volt mod. So he bought that stuff . I think I charged him $200. for 800xtpe P4C 3.2 B5 memory 1024 Max3 modded . He loves it .

God I am bored everyone went on vacation. So I am all alone . been along time since we been apart . I just don't get around well enough to ruin everyones fun .

 

[Hauk]

Time for a refill I think...

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
But I will also recieve a 4850/4870/4870x2. 4850 I will give to my daughter . The 4870 goes in wifes gamer . I will likely have to buy 1 more 4870 to xfire. My gamer will get the 4870x2. So I will infact have all 4 cards. All using great hardware so I will know whats what just like the review sites. I actually did it today I am getting a K10 . LOL . YA I had to have it. It was a forced down my throat deal . But the NV 280 that I wanted. Just to see.

I call shens...