nVidia GT200 Series Thread

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
Tri-SLI with 280: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?62774

Just like I thought, they expect all users to setup SLI even though it performs like crap.

"exceedingly expensive, inefficient, power hungry, but fastest in the world" isn't "perform like crap". It is simply a niche market of ultra high end. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole though...

Although I guess you could be referring to micro-stutter and the like. Which just doesn't bother some people. (which is odd to me, since it should bother everyone)

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Aberforth
Tri-SLI with 280: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?62774

Just like I thought, they expect all users to setup SLI even though it performs like crap.

"exceedingly expensive, inefficient, power hungry, but fastest in the world" isn't "perform like crap". It is simply a niche market of ultra high end. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole though...

Although I guess you could be referring to micro-stutter and the like. Which just doesn't bother some people. (which is odd to me, since it should bother everyone)

exceedingly inefficient is the word i was looking for, three new gen cards performing very close to 9800GX2 seems ridiculous to me. Although I know some guys don't mind throwing money at these just to satisfy their whims.

 

[coreyb]

Is it just me or is it the first time that the new generation video cards are coming out and they aren't really necessary. I'm still playing ALL of my games maxed at 1900x1200 with my gtx. I always remember in the past wanting to get the next gen card because there were 3-4 games that I couldn't max out or get good performance with. Has this happened before?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: coreyb
Is it just me or is it the first time that the new generation video cards are coming out and they aren't really necessary. I'm still playing ALL of my games maxed at 1900x1200 with my gtx. I always remember in the past wanting to get the next gen card because there were 3-4 games that I couldn't max out or get good performance with. Has this happened before?

If you tried to run Crysis at that resolution maxed out you would see the need for new cards.

You do have a point though. There's not much point in purchasing a $700 card just to run a single game.

 

[HostofFun]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: coreyb
Is it just me or is it the first time that the new generation video cards are coming out and they aren't really necessary. I'm still playing ALL of my games maxed at 1900x1200 with my gtx. I always remember in the past wanting to get the next gen card because there were 3-4 games that I couldn't max out or get good performance with. Has this happened before?

If you tried to run Crysis at that resolution maxed out you would see the need for new cards.

You do have a point though. There's not much point in purchasing a $700 card just to run a single game.

There's many more than just 1 that are really demanding.

 

[kreacher]

^ Looks like you aren't playing Crysis and most of us feel compelled to upgrade even if there's one game out there that can't be maxed out on the current GPU

 

[Redox]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: coreyb
Is it just me or is it the first time that the new generation video cards are coming out and they aren't really necessary. I'm still playing ALL of my games maxed at 1900x1200 with my gtx. I always remember in the past wanting to get the next gen card because there were 3-4 games that I couldn't max out or get good performance with. Has this happened before?

If you tried to run Crysis at that resolution maxed out you would see the need for new cards.

You do have a point though. There's not much point in purchasing a $700 card just to run a single game.

Different story at 2560x1600 especially if you don't want to fuss with SLI'd 8800 series. At this resolution, a single 8800 Ultra still struggles a bit with some games (not just Crysis). I am hoping the 512 bit memory interface coupled with 1 GB will make a big difference.

 

[coreyb]

Crysis is the only one I can think of. Could you come up with a list of games that would make it worth upgrading my video card?

I sure couldn't.

 

[taltamir]

Well, playing mass effect PC i forced AA in the drivers on my 8800GTS 512... I was getting single digit FPS on 16x... ended up playing the game at 2x AA.
With a beastly GTX 280 I could have probably forced 16x AA and still had smooth experience.

 

[coreyb]

Well I understand that there will definately be some benefits with the next gen.

However, in the past I always remember getting excited for the newest cards because I was currently playing a bunch of games at low-medium settings and the new cards would allow me to play on high with possible AA. It just doesn't seem as exciting this time around I suppose.

However, if I had a 30" display that would be a different story.

 

[coreyb]

If I was to get this card right now the only benefit I would get would be to play a couple games with a bit higher AA or AF and play Crysis at higher settings.

With that said, I will probably pick up the 280 just because I can.

 

[HostofFun]

Originally posted by: coreyb
Crysis is the only one I can think of. Could you come up with a list of games that would make it worth upgrading my video card?

I sure couldn't.

I sure could.


Crysis
Crysis: Warhead
Company of Heroes
The Witcher
STALKER Clear Skies
Assassin's Creed
Age of Conan
Warhammer Online
Devil May Cry 4
Unreal Tournament 3
Fallout 3
Project Origin
Farcry 2
Oblivion with mods such as QTP3/Parallax
HL2 with mods such as Cinematic Mod 7
World In Conflict
Team Fortress 2
Grid
Mafia 2
Empire: Total War
Alan Wake
Mafia 2
Left 4 Dead

among others out already and coming soon. 2560x1600, 1920x1200, really even 1680x1050, with any AA + 16X HQ AF and higher/highest in-game settings all demand more graphical power than a 8800GTX or 2x 8800GTS G92 can deliver by a longshot, unless you consider 20-30FPS "acceptable" .

 

[coreyb]

I meant games out right now.

I play these few games out of your list and max them out just fine right now.

Company of Heroes
The Witcher
Assassin's Creed
Unreal Tournament 3
Oblivion with mods such as QTP3/Parallax
Team Fortress 2

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
I think ATI is going to win this generation, those are outrageous prices, crossfire HD4870s would cost less and (according to rumours) might end up being faster than a GTX 280.

This is nice because ATI will finally get back in the game and the fierce competition will make it even better for us customers.

well looking at the early leaked benchmark , i ain't impressed with either of them (R4XX or GT2XX).


CRYSIS 1920x1200 AA OFF & High Quality settings :
GT260 : 29.75
GT280 : 35.75

$449 for the 260, $649 for the 280 is nvidia recommended price i think.

now to wait for detail article on 16th.

Rumors of yield problem maybe the reason for the high price as they can't pump out enough cards to meet the demand.

those numbers were "charlied", I'd wait for something a little more reliable.

If anyone knowns the number :! its you :! MR disguise

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: coreyb
I meant games out right now.

I play these few games out of your list and max them out just fine right now.

Company of Heroes
The Witcher
Assassin's Creed
Unreal Tournament 3
Oblivion with mods such as QTP3/Parallax
Team Fortress 2

1920x1200 display, 8800GTS 512, E8400.
COH... almost maxed, no AA, but it is not a huge deal.
The Witcher... completely maxed, i guess it could be slightly smoother, or i could force higher AA in drivers.
Assassin creed... completely maxed, i could force AA on drivers with higher end and get slightly smoother experience.
UT3, never played it.
Oblivion... god tired of it back when I had either an ATI 9800pro, or a 7900GS... i don't remember which one.
Team Fortress... never played it.

But even though those games could POSSIBLY be pushed slightly further, they are almost at the max already, unless you have a 27+ inch display.
It will be some time before we actually NEED such extra power.

That being said. I will upgrade so that I can get that last bit of juice. as described. If I have to force 16x AA in drivers to see a benefit, then that is what I will do

 

[coreyb]

Nice post.

I'll have to see the benchmarks first and depending on that I'll either pick one up right away or wait until the fall/winter.

 

[taltamir]

you know... i was going to change my post about oblivion to GOT tired of it... but God tired of it works too if you look at my signature and assume talking about oneself in the third person.

 

[Dkcode]

You asshole

Anyway there are plenty of games i play that i can not use AA with @ 1920x1200 on my 8800GTX without my frame rates dipping into the 30's:

COD4 with 4x AA
COD4 without AA

Over 100% improvement in performance.

Its the same with UT3 and any other UE3.0 based game:

UT3 with 4x AA
UT3 without AA

Again a massive difference.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: taltamir
Well, playing mass effect PC i forced AA in the drivers on my 8800GTS 512... I was getting single digit FPS on 16x... ended up playing the game at 2x AA.
With a beastly GTX 280 I could have probably forced 16x AA and still had smooth experience.

16X AA?

That seems a bit extreme to me. What would the difference in IQ be between 16 and say 4 or 8?

Would it be noticable?

 

[cm123]

Originally posted by: cm123
EVGA Corporation GEFORCE GTX 280 PCIE 1GB GDDR3 2PORT DVI-I HDTV
MFG#: 896-P3-1280-AR

its listed in disty (wholesale) in the $680's

one online company selling it now for $733.80

http://www.shopblt.com/partnum/u086_896p31280arh.html

Seems like way too much money - and I nearly always buy the lastest and greatest - maybe its just me though...

guess all the talk of it coming so cheap since the 4870 is so fast just not looking like that's going to happen - lets hope though the 4870 is fast as GTX 280 though, in hopes help drive pricing just a little.

As fyi... the disty lists shipping date of 06-28-2008 ( I can order it actually right now) and the company above lists 06-26-2008 - shows only 5 units coming into each warehouse which for this disty is sign not much coming 1st shipment on 06-28 (20 units total)

Working on getting more info - will post it if I can (and can release that info) - NDA should lift on Monday from what understand now.

sorry on the edit - got GTX 260 (very little for now) info too...

EVGA Corporation GEFORCE GTX 260 PCIE 896MB GDDR3 2PORT DVI-I HDTV
MFG#: 896-P3-1260-AR

no disty price yet - same online company selling it for $511.53

http://www.shopblt.com/partnum/u086_896p31260arh.html


$656 (from another disty) ASUS GEFORCE GTX280 1G DDR3 2*DVI-I 512BIT HDTV HDCP PCIE2.0
part# ENGTX280/HTDP/1G

$654 - PALIT VCX GTX280 1024MB GDDR3 DUAL-DVI HDCP HDMI & CRT TV-OUT VIDEO CARD
part # XNE/TX280+T305

$411 - PALIT VCX GTX260 896MB GDDR3 DUAL-DVI HDCP HDMI & CRT PCI-E
XNE/TX260+T394

remember all but the online companies pricing is from disty which is wholesale - normally that means our price about 5% higher than that (not always) at places like NE / ZZ and so on...

also, drop part number into google - of course will find few more things about for each card...



Merged into main thread.

Video Mod BFG10K.

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Today Disty updated couple areas - one stock (in-stock) dates all changed to the 19th and the GTX 280 wholesale price changed to $648 for EVGA card -

The EVGA GTX 260 is not $477 and has stock date of 06-28-2008

Its looking as we'll see many more GTX 280's right off than 260's - pretty interesting to see that Nvidia feels they can or should be able to command such large price -

should of added looks as very little of both models coming before July - very little...

 

[Psynaut]

Not that many people still play it, but Vanguard: SoH will benefit from the next generation of more powerful cards in terms of maxing out the graphics capability.

 

[solofly]

Have you heard the good news...

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/.../gt200-scores-revealed

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: taltamir
Well, playing mass effect PC i forced AA in the drivers on my 8800GTS 512... I was getting single digit FPS on 16x... ended up playing the game at 2x AA.
With a beastly GTX 280 I could have probably forced 16x AA and still had smooth experience.

16X AA?

That seems a bit extreme to me. What would the difference in IQ be between 16 and say 4 or 8?

Would it be noticable?

i don't know, it was a slide show, so i didn't bother doing a detailed comparison (I didn't want to just set myself up for disappointment without it )

 

[imachip]

Originally posted by: solofly
Have you heard the good news...

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/.../gt200-scores-revealed

Yeah I could quote this though...

http://publish.it168.com/diy/s...3801&picid=1040491.jpg

Heh I think quoting benchmark sites until release should be banned as it just clouds the choices.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: solofly
Have you heard the good news...

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/.../gt200-scores-revealed

Wow another person using the Inquirer as a source of information. The madness will never stop....just come out with the cards already.