nVidia GT200 Series Thread

[Klinky1984]

Is "Nemesis 1" really getting AMD cards? If that's the case there should be a sig disclaimer like nRollo. Frankly "Nemesis 1" is coming off quite annoying here.

 

[Sentry2]

I really don't think the 9800GX2 will beat the GTX280 in many HQ benches at all. As long as the two cards are close on the max FPS side of things I'm sure the GTX 280 will give you a way better gaming experience because it's the min FPS that can be a problem with the GX2.
Sure GX2's run decent in XP but by no means are they anything special in Vista(64bit especially). I find myself disabling a gpu to play a lot of games in Vista(finally switched from xp pro). I have no issues at all in vista just running 1 gpu. I'm gonna buy a GTX 280 at launch but it will have to be pretty damn good to keep me from picking up a 4870 X2 when they come out(if most of the dual gpu issues have been solved like rumored). The new GTX series has been beat up pretty hard lately so I guess we'll see what happens in a couple of days.

 

[taltamir]

first he said he was getting free AMD cards thanks to his posts ON THIS FORUM. then when nRollo called him on it he backtracked and said he wasn't supposed to admit it, but actually he invented a cooler block for a water cooler, and he is getting cards to do other improvement work upon, but he couldn't say that before because he has to keep it secret, so he lied and said he is getting them for his posts, but he couldn't let a claim against his reliability stand, so he is now admitting the truth and breaking his business secrecy to admit why he is really getting cards.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: taltamir
if you are referring to nRollo... then you should know AMD is giving cards to Nemesis 1...

so that lovely back and forth was between a guy getting free cards from nVidia, and a guy getting free cards from AMD. Both of them BECAUSE of their posts on forums...

If what you say is true, this sort of advertising shouldn't be allowed. In fact as a developer I get free copies of our proprietary software, in your terms it is worth 8-way SLI GTX280. On the other hand no one has managed to decrypt my signature yet it contains a hidden marketing material for all.

 

[taltamir]

didn't you tell us how in one of the other forums...

Anyways... I am waiting for the power consumption figures for the new AMD and nVidia cards. I have perfected my watt to dollar calculation methology and I know EXACTLY how much more it will cost me a year... and they WILL go into calculating the IQ of the purchase.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: BolleY2K
NVidia is also struggling in the chipset market at the moment - which doesn´t help either. Right now crossfire is much more attractive than SLI in my opinion.

I don't know how the chipset market or SLi vs CF relates to the GTX280, but I'd be happy to discuss either with you if you would like to open threads in regard to these topics in the appropriate forums.

translation: I'm very sad that gtx 280 isn't looking to be quite as nice as we had hoped. please just be nice to nvidia!

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
On the other hand no one has managed to decrypt my signature yet it contains a hidden marketing material for all.

Just because no one has come out and said it doesn't mean no one has done so. Your signature says "Space is a dangerous place if it's between your ears".

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: taltamir
didn't you tell us how in one of the other forums...

Anyways... I am waiting for the power consumption figures for the new AMD and nVidia cards. I have perfected my watt to dollar calculation methology and I know EXACTLY how much more it will cost me a year... and they WILL go into calculating the IQ of the purchase.

this new one is based on Radix64 algorithm, look for radix 64 decoder online.

Also as long as performance is high nobody gives a damm about power. People usually talk about Power when performance is pathetic and power sucking is high. Let AlGore ban these cards someones gotta send him a mail.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Aberforth
On the other hand no one has managed to decrypt my signature yet it contains a hidden marketing material for all.

Just because no one has come out and said it doesn't mean no one has done so. Your signature says "Space is a dangerous place if it's between your ears".

Glad to hear it :thumbsup:

 

[Psynaut]

Originally posted by: nRollo
25X16 @ 30" WS is a bigger improvement than anything else you can do for your computer in terms of immersion. (and I've done everything else short of shining it on my rec room wall with a projector) These cards are very nice for 25X16.

I disagree, and one of the firsst things intelligent people learn is not to speak in absolutes. My 37" Westinghouse at 1920X is considerably more immersive for me than a 30", even with its higher resolution. There are very long threads at AVS forum and other boards about people using this monitor and how much they love it compared to other options.

 

[Sentry2]

Hey Psynaut, what firmware version does your Westy have?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: BolleY2K
NVidia is also struggling in the chipset market at the moment - which doesn´t help either. Right now crossfire is much more attractive than SLI in my opinion.

I don't know how the chipset market or SLi vs CF relates to the GTX280, but I'd be happy to discuss either with you if you would like to open threads in regard to these topics in the appropriate forums.

translation: I'm very sad that gtx 280 isn't looking to be quite as nice as we had hoped. please just be nice to nvidia!

LOL!

This is pretty funny- I'd plus rep you for making me burst out laughing if I could.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: taltamir
didn't you tell us how in one of the other forums...

Anyways... I am waiting for the power consumption figures for the new AMD and nVidia cards. I have perfected my watt to dollar calculation methology and I know EXACTLY how much more it will cost me a year... and they WILL go into calculating the IQ of the purchase.

this new one is based on Radix64 algorithm, look for radix 64 decoder online.

Also as long as performance is high nobody gives a damm about power. People usually talk about Power when performance is pathetic and power sucking is high. Let AlGore ban these cards someones gotta send him a mail.

Power is money. Anyone who is buying a card slower then the fastest in the world, ever one unit slower, and even some of those who buy the fastest in the world, care about MONEY.

And anyone who cares about money and doesn't care about power is simply mathematically challenged.

If money was no issue I'd be running a quad core xtreme with 16GB of ram and tri SLI 8800 Ultra black pearls, and tri sli 280 when those come out...
Since money is an issue, I look at power consumption as "cost of operation". Even if I a buy a single GTX 280 (and it ends up being the fastes single GPU out there), that still doesn't mean money/power isn't an issue.

The vast majority of people care about money, the vast majority of people are mathematically challenged and don't care about power.


http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2197178&enterthread=y

Check the last post to see some power and cost calculations.

Originally posted by: taltamir
here is texas CHEAPEST electricity is 14 cents per kwh. (thanks to nationalpowerco going out of business due to their 11 cents kwh contracts, and everyone else raising the price).
Some places are as cheap as 6 cents per kwh... I know of some places in the US where it costs 24 cents per KWH

I game for 2 hours a day (no savings there), use the computer for other things for 10 hours a day (this is where powerplay/hybrid power reduces power), and leave it off for the remaining 12 or so (zero power taken, but not due to powerplay/hybridpower).

an idling G92 single GPU card takes about 60-70 watts... and idle underclocked (speedstep like tech) 38xx single GPU card takes about 40-50 BECUASE AMD already implemented a speedstep like function of underclocking the card (the HD2xxx series... those can go OVER 100 watts while idle).
An IGP takes an additional 5 watts at most.

35 to 65 watt reduction for a current gen card, higher for the G2xxx, probably higher for the 48xx series, and definitely higher for additional GPUs. (not to mention you don't have to subtract the 5 extra watts the IGP takes).

(40-5) watt * 0.001 kilowatt/watt * 10 hours / day * 365 days / year * 0.14 $/kwh = 17.885$ a year FOR ME, and I turn them off when not in use
(70-5) watt * 0.001 kilowatt/watt * 10 hours / day * 365 days / year * 0.14 $/kwh = 33.215$ a year FOR ME, and I turn them off when not in use

semi-worst case scenario (no point in using the HD2xxx cards... they are obsolete):
leave computer on 24 hours a day (I used to do this), 3 or 4 card SLI/CF taking 200+ watts when IDLE, not accounting for AC costs again.
(200-5) watt * 0.001 kilowatt/watt * 22 hours / day * 365 days / year * 0.14 $/kwh = 219.219 $ a year... in electric costs for your idling a serious mGPU setup for a person who leaves on 24/7

But since I turn it off lets recalculate at only 10 hours a day:
(200-5) watt * 0.001 kilowatt/watt * 10 hours / day * 365 days / year * 0.14 $/kwh = 99.645$ a year FOR ME, and I turn them off when not in use

Since this is measured power draw from the wall some PSU inefficiency loss is accounted for. But increased AC costs are not.

This is the REAL dollar amount I will personally save... a person with multi GPU setup will save a multiple of this... a person who leaves his computer on 24 hours a day will save more then twice this, or exactly twice if he plays for 4 hours a day EVERY DAY.
I was being generous by saying 2 hours a day... I play 10 hours a day when a new game like mass effect comes out, and then I don't play anything for a month or so...

Note that hybrid power and the speedstep tech DOES NOTHING while you are gaming, or while the computer is off (or at S3 sleep). It only helps when you are using the computer, but not for games, which is the majority of the time for most people.

 

[Psynaut]

Originally posted by: Sentry2
Hey Psynaut, what firmware version does your Westy have?

I don't know, I bought it used off Craig's List for $650, which is about what I had been planning to spend on a 24" until I stumbled onto the threads about the 37" Westy. I hooked it up and never gave it another thought. Maybe I should look into this.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: taltamir
first he said he was getting free AMD cards thanks to his posts ON THIS FORUM. then when nRollo called him on it he backtracked and said he wasn't supposed to admit it, but actually he invented a cooler block for a water cooler, and he is getting cards to do other improvement work upon, but he couldn't say that before because he has to keep it secret, so he lied and said he is getting them for his posts, but he couldn't let a claim against his reliability stand, so he is now admitting the truth and breaking his business secrecy to admit why he is really getting cards.

lol. taltamir, you are painting nemesis in a very unfavorable light! :shocked:

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Aberforth
On the other hand no one has managed to decrypt my signature yet it contains a hidden marketing material for all.

Just because no one has come out and said it doesn't mean no one has done so. Your signature says "Space is a dangerous place if it's between your ears".

Glad to hear it :thumbsup:

oooo Base64 code...you should be a code breaker....

 

[Sentry2]

Originally posted by: Psynaut

Originally posted by: Sentry2
Hey Psynaut, what firmware version does your Westy have?

I don't know, I bought it used off Craig's List for $650, which is about what I had been planning to spend on a 24" until I stumbled onto the threads about the 37" Westy. I hooked it up and never gave it another thought. Maybe I should look into this.

Nah, I'm just curious. Just hit the menu button on your remote, go down to &, and then system info....

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: taltamir
first he said he was getting free AMD cards thanks to his posts ON THIS FORUM. then when nRollo called him on it he backtracked and said he wasn't supposed to admit it, but actually he invented a cooler block for a water cooler, and he is getting cards to do other improvement work upon, but he couldn't say that before because he has to keep it secret, so he lied and said he is getting them for his posts, but he couldn't let a claim against his reliability stand, so he is now admitting the truth and breaking his business secrecy to admit why he is really getting cards.

Viral marketing is so much fun! :laugh: Likely off topic though.

This dual launch is quite exciting for the first time in a while. The gt200 looks to be a fantastic gain for high end users and is nice that ati seems to have also stepped up to the bat. If Nvidia has poor margins - oh well doesn't really effect my purchase. :beer:

 

[bryanW1995]

I'm frankly very surprised at the general tone of this thread since benchmarks have started leaking. I fully expected the 280 to slaughter sli 4850 and be very competitive with 4870x2 and/or sli 4870's, but even the nvidia fanboys seem to be resigned to this not being the case. If 4870 is really this good and they really do sell it for $299 then we could be in for some interesting times in the next few months.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: taltamir
first he said he was getting free AMD cards thanks to his posts ON THIS FORUM. then when nRollo called him on it he backtracked and said he wasn't supposed to admit it, but actually he invented a cooler block for a water cooler, and he is getting cards to do other improvement work upon, but he couldn't say that before because he has to keep it secret, so he lied and said he is getting them for his posts, but he couldn't let a claim against his reliability stand, so he is now admitting the truth and breaking his business secrecy to admit why he is really getting cards.

I don't ever recall saying I was gettting video cards from AMD . I have been getting free video cards from ATI vendor for free for quite some time. Recently my daughter threw me is getting hardware so we can prepare waterblocks. I simply test these stuff under load for temps . Thats all I have to say on it. We are getting the new hardware because of some post here in cases and cooling . TO test blocks.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I'm frankly very surprised at the general tone of this thread since benchmarks have started leaking. I fully expected the 280 to slaughter sli 4850 and be very competitive with 4870x2 and/or sli 4870's, but even the nvidia fanboys seem to be resigned to this not being the case. If 4870 is really this good and they really do sell it for $299 then we could be in for some interesting times in the next few months.

everything is still FUD. I remember a few days before the launch of the 9800GX2 and tweaktown or some other site posted early benchmarks that showed the card was slower than a 3870X2 and barely faster than a single 8800GT in many games....then the card came out a few days later and blew everyone away.

I like the idea of the ATI cards with a tiny bit better performance than the last gen high end, for a much lower price. But, I dislike ATI's idea that the only road to the future of top end graphics is multi-GPU cards or multi-card systems. Until I see all the compatability issues ironed out with multi-GPU/multi-card systems, I will always believe a single card/single GPU high end system is the superior way to go.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I'm frankly very surprised at the general tone of this thread since benchmarks have started leaking. I fully expected the 280 to slaughter sli 4850 and be very competitive with 4870x2 and/or sli 4870's, but even the nvidia fanboys seem to be resigned to this not being the case. If 4870 is really this good and they really do sell it for $299 then we could be in for some interesting times in the next few months.

everything is still FUD. I remember a few days before the launch of the 9800GX2 and tweaktown or some other site posted early benchmarks that showed the card was slower than a 3870X2 and barely faster than a single 8800GT in many games....then the card came out a few days later and blew everyone away.

I like the idea of the ATI cards with a tiny bit better performance than the last gen high end, for a much lower price. But, I dislike ATI's idea that the only road to the future of top end graphics is multi-GPU cards or multi-card systems. Until I see all the compatability issues ironed out with multi-GPU/multi-card systems, I will always believe a single card/single GPU high end system is the superior way to go.

This is a bit different though, the 9800GX2 had driver problems and Tweaktown was using pre-release drivers. When Anandtech and the other sites reviewed it, they were using updated drivers that fixed problems. I don't think the GTX 280 will suffer from much driver problems (since it is the same architecture & single GPU).

I've said this before, but I think people will be impressed with the performance of the GTX 280 when comparing it to the 8800GTX. But when compared to the 9800GX2, I don't think people are going to be too impressed. The GTX 280 will excel in high res + AA/AF, but I think in many other situations it will be like a single-GPU 9800GX2.

 

[ronnn]

Nvidia does this every launch. Low expectations with pre release viral and than on launch day - seems to be nice gains. I expect a very nice card, but availability may be poor - as this launch may have been rushed to not let ati hold the crown.

 

[Leon]

X800 beat 6800

Wrong. It was slightly faster in D3D and slower in OGL

X1800XT beat 7800GTX 256MB

X1800XT was released 6 months after 7800GTX.

X1900XTX beat 7900GTX

Wrong again

Sorry, your info is extremely selective, comparing products released at different dates, which makes your entire argument null and void.

 

[taltamir]

The big deal with nvidias next release is that the CUDA physx drivers should come out with the GTX 280... those will work for every DX10 card from nvidia... so all us G92 owners will now have a physX card as well... ofcourse, physx runs on SP, so that means we will need more then ever before.

But with that there will be over 90 million physX capable machines out there... as a result of that 180 news games are currently in work to support physX (before there were just not enough cards in the market for it to be worthwhile)...

I have been waiting for physics effects for 5 whole years... (and no, extra particle effects isn't physics, shooting a barrel and having a realistic explosion with sharpnel causing terrain damage and character injury is physics, which can be done, but isn't supported by most games who used physX)

Anyways... how long do you think it will take for a GTX 290 GDDR5 + 512bit bus?