nVidia GT200 Series Thread

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
they won't come out with a brand new core on a die-shrink...just ask daamit how well that works. it took nvidia a year to get g80 shrunk down to 65nm, frankly I'd be very surprised if they don't just shoot straight for 45nm when they do their next shrink.

They don't need to ask.. I think they still remember what kind of success Geforce FX series was. After that they have never used dieshrink for brand new core.
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As said they'll first use 65nm for this and later 55nm.

I think you're right. The 55nm parts will be the "refresh" which will come some months later. Depending on ATi's success IMO.

 

[Rusin]

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[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Rusin
55nm versions will come as soon as they get them working (and high enough yields)..no matter what's ATI's success. 55nm versions should be cheaper to make than 65nm..

The reason why I think they won't release the 55nm parts as early as they can regardless of what ATi does is because if they did that they would have to have another new architecture to develope. Going on Nvidia's history it looks like it will be 65nm first and 55nm on a refresh. I could be wrong but I just don't think I am.

IMO they will release 65nm parts @ the high end at $499 then release 55nm parts as the refresh at the same price point. We shall see

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: jkresh
assuming someone was looking to upgrade cards now (and $500 was within budget) would there be any reason not to pick up an evga 9800gx2 and step up to gt200 (as long as its out by august stepup should be possible unless I am mistaken)?

You are thinking exactly what I am. I'm thinking 8800GTS or 9800GTX and going the stepup route. But who knows when GT200 will be released, it sure looks like a beast though

 

[Grinja]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Rusin
55nm versions will come as soon as they get them working (and high enough yields)..no matter what's ATI's success. 55nm versions should be cheaper to make than 65nm..

The reason why I think they won't release the 55nm parts as early as they can regardless of what ATi does is because if they did that they would have to have another new architecture to develope. Going on Nvidia's history it looks like it will be 65nm first and 55nm on a refresh. I could be wrong but I just don't think I am.

IMO they will release 65nm parts @ the high end at $499 then release 55nm parts as the refresh at the same price point. We shall see

This snippet from fudzilla suggests that both 55nm AND 65nm versions of the GT200 have been ordered by Nvidia ...

I suspect they maybe confusing the G92 die shrink with a version of the GT200, but this would be an iteresting turn of events if it is true.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=7292&Itemid=34

Anyone think this is feasable?

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: Grinja
Anyone think this is feasable?

No.

You are probably right about Fuad confusing the 9800GT with the GT200. I just take what Fuad says with a grain of salt. Anyone that oppinionated is never right.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Grinja

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Rusin
55nm versions will come as soon as they get them working (and high enough yields)..no matter what's ATI's success. 55nm versions should be cheaper to make than 65nm..

The reason why I think they won't release the 55nm parts as early as they can regardless of what ATi does is because if they did that they would have to have another new architecture to develope. Going on Nvidia's history it looks like it will be 65nm first and 55nm on a refresh. I could be wrong but I just don't think I am.

IMO they will release 65nm parts @ the high end at $499 then release 55nm parts as the refresh at the same price point. We shall see

This snippet from fudzilla suggests that both 55nm AND 65nm versions of the GT200 have been ordered by Nvidia ...

I suspect they maybe confusing the G92 die shrink with a version of the GT200, but this would be an iteresting turn of events if it is true.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=7292&Itemid=34

Anyone think this is feasable?

fudzilla is not necessarily stupid or evil...but fuad is a complete moron. if fuad wrote it, it's either a complete guess or just plain bullshit.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Grinja

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Rusin
55nm versions will come as soon as they get them working (and high enough yields)..no matter what's ATI's success. 55nm versions should be cheaper to make than 65nm..

The reason why I think they won't release the 55nm parts as early as they can regardless of what ATi does is because if they did that they would have to have another new architecture to develope. Going on Nvidia's history it looks like it will be 65nm first and 55nm on a refresh. I could be wrong but I just don't think I am.

IMO they will release 65nm parts @ the high end at $499 then release 55nm parts as the refresh at the same price point. We shall see

This snippet from fudzilla suggests that both 55nm AND 65nm versions of the GT200 have been ordered by Nvidia ...

I suspect they maybe confusing the G92 die shrink with a version of the GT200, but this would be an iteresting turn of events if it is true.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=7292&Itemid=34

Anyone think this is feasable?

fudzilla is not necessarily stupid or evil...but fuad is a complete moron. if fuad wrote it, it's either a complete guess or just plain bullshit.

Haha awesome, I am tempted to sig that .

 

[AshPhoenix]

NVIDIA's GT 200 will launch before ATI's 4800 Series

TG Daily Exclusive ? We previously published several details about AMD?s next-generation graphics card lineup and as we get closer to the launch we are getting more details about the launch date, feature set and prices. The good news: The new boards will come with ?physics processing capability? and prices that will start below $200 for a 512 MB board. The bad news: The 4800 series will launch after Nvidia?s GT200.

Yes, we know, we previously said that the 4800 series would launch in May, but as it stands right now, we won?t be seeing the first new cards until mid-June. According To AMD?s current introduction schedule, the Radeon 4800 series will launch in week 25, which puts the day of the introduction somewhere between June 15 and June 22. What is significant about this time frame is that ATI will trail Nvidia and their new high-end chip GT200.

This comes as a major surprise, because it was widely expected that ATI will debut its RV770 chip first, followed by Nvidia's summer part. But as it stands right now, Nvidia has the pole position in a new round of the graphics wars. Of course, the GT200 and RV770 are actually not entirely comparable, because of their huge price difference. But performance-wise, we're in for a possibly close race.

ATI's Radeon 4800 series will be introduced in three flavors - as 4850, 4870 and 4870 X2. The company will also offer a ?4850 256MB? (as opposed to 512 MB in other versions), but this SKU is a so-called "option" and is geared towards to the OEM/ODM/SI crowd to support them with cheaper parts for the back-to-school period and beyond.

The Radeon 4850, code-named ?Makedon,? is AMD's launch board. The name, by the way, is likely to refer to Terry "Catalyst" Makedon, group manager for software and video in the AMD (ATI) graphics division. Of course, there is a small chance that Alexander Makedonski (Alexander the Great) may have influenced the naming, but somehow we feel that Terry has won this time.

The 4850 board features 512 MB of GDDR3 memory and is expected to be available in volume at launch. We heard that card vendors will start printing their boxes next week, which means that the specifications are final at this time. According to our sources, the 4850 will come with single-slot cooling; CrossFireX is supported with up to four boards in a single system (if you have the appropriate board based on AMD 790FX, 790GX, Intel Skulltrail, X48) and each board will require a single 6-pin PCIe power connector.

AMD will follow up in July and launch the Radeon 4870 512 MB GDDR5 and the 4870 X2 1024 MB GDDR5 (R700). The Radeon 4870 chip is built onto a board codenamed ?Trojan? (could be named after a condom brand or a horse; we pick the latter) and comes with a dual-slot cooler, following the tradition of earlier XX70 boards. Our previous information about the memory buffer was a bit inaccurate, since the cost of Qimonda's GDDR5 memory apparently was not compatible with the targeted pricing of these cards. The 4870 includes 512MB GDDR5 memory and surpasses upcoming Nvidia cards in terms of bandwidth. However, if any ATI partner wants to build a 1024 MB GDDR5 board, ATI will not say no, we were told. But don't expect this to happen until early fall, since everybody wants to move as many units as possible.

In terms of performance, we heard some interesting claims. A 4870 should perform on par with or better than a dual-chip 3870 X2. Our sources explained to us that using a PCIe Gen1 controller 3870 X2 was a mistake, since the board was hungry for data and didn't sync well with this interface. Don?t expect the ATI team to repeat that mistake with the 4870 X2. However, we admit that we have no idea what kind of connection two RV770 GPUs will have.

Looking at features, ATI will promote DirectX 10.1, PCI Express 2.0, dynamic geometry acceleration and other functions that were introduced with the Radeon 3800 series. What surprises us is that the manufacturer is highlighting a "Game physics processing capability" in its launch materials. Since ATI didn't bid for Havok (which ended up in Intel?s lap) and Nvidia snapped up PhysX we wonder who provides a physics engine for ATI. Perhaps the company took a completely different direction and it simply expanded its GPGPU capabilities from professional FireStream cards to the desktop.

The Radeon 4800 series also includes 7.1 channel-via-HDMI support and color output also got a ?significant? boost, our sources said. We were unable to confirm HDMI 1.3 support, but we would not be surprised if that in fact is the case. The Unified Video Decoder is now in generation 2 and is called "UVD2".

Every aspect of the GPU is monitored by PowerPlay, since ATI will be very aggressive on the power side: The boards have been designed with power in mind and the 4850/4870 won't require 8+6-pin combinations (exception: The dual-GPU 4870 X2). Power supply requirements call for a 450 watt unit for a single card and a 550 watt version for two cards. Given the fact that ATI has to state this for PoS power supplies, CrossFire should do just fine with a top notch 400 watt power supply.

Let?s talk about pricing. AMD decided to remain aggressive in an effort to win back market share. Pricing is actually set to a point where Nvidia is unlikely to be able to compete (that is at least what somebody is hoping for). Pricing guidelines are not finalized at this time, but according to several sources, the Radeon 4850 will succeed the 3850 512MB and should cost about $189-$219 at launch. Our sources indicated that 4870 GDDR5 cards will cost between $249 and $279, but somehow we feel that AMD might aim go for $199 and $249 at launch.

Given the current market, these prices could stir up the market and create quite a circus. Radeon cards could be getting lots of design wins for the back-to-school market, but our sources warned us that ATI is a bit late to the party. Qualifying of systems takes time, and tens of thousands of machines take time to be manufactured and shipped to North America. For Europe, things are more lenient, since nobody works in August and schools/universities start in September or October.

All in all, ATI will have one helluwa June and July. All eyes are now on Nvidia: Will Nvidia create a decent competitor for the sub-$300 range (55nm G92 is being prepared), or will AMD/ATI will gain market share?

 

[Cookie Monster]

GT200 will probably be the high end part that every enthusiast have long been waiting for. Not to mention its coming rather sooner than later.

 

[Rusin]

nothing

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Rusin
I don't think that anyone would be intrested of Nvidia's plans for new naming system for graphics cards, but well..:

Those two GT200-cards arriving soon won't be called Geforce 9900 GTX and 9900 GTS. They'll be named Geforce GTX 280 and Geforce GTX 260.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=276040
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Would move it towards ATi's system..

I traced that link all the way back to...yep, you guessed, FUAD!!! The other two sites were chinese and german, the only question is whether THEY copied fuad's info or he copied theirs. If he copied theirs then it might be true.

 

[Rusin]

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[nitromullet]

Is the rack of cards in the pic from the hkepc link http://hkepc.com/?id=1165&fs=c1h supposed to be full of GTX 2x0 cards? Looks like they'd be GTX 260s, or the CAD drawings posted at the beginning of this thread are not accurate.

 

[Rusin]

nothing

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Rusin
I think that Fuad and that german site both used hkepc. They don't tend to give any credit for their real sources

fuad doesn't tend to give any credit for his real sources b/c if he did then EVERYBODY would know that he's a poser...as it is, just MOST people know it...

 

[Extelleron]

I wish we had a better idea of exactly when GT200 parts will launch; my step-up period ends on June 20th and I'm debating whether I should either sell my 8800GTS 512MB right now or wait and try to step-up.

Dioes eVGA allow step-up on the first day a new card is released? Also do they take into account rebates when you put the price you paid? I paid $237.49, but it had a $30 rebate, will they only give me $207.49 towards a new card?

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Extelleron


Dioes eVGA allow step-up on the first day a new card is released? Also do they take into account rebates when you put the price you paid? I paid $237.49, but it had a $30 rebate, will they only give me $207.49 towards a new card?

They do usually, regarding the first question. Snoop around on their forums for the answer to the second.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
GT200 will probably be the high end part that every enthusiast have long been waiting for. Not to mention its coming rather sooner than later.

I really hope so!

I'm a tad concerned about price though...that's going to be the key to whether these are going to be awesome overpriced cards, or awesome well-priced cards.

I'm just glad it seems they're arriving pretty soon.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
GT200 will probably be the high end part that every enthusiast have long been waiting for. Not to mention its coming rather sooner than later.

I really hope so!

I'm a tad concerned about price though...that's going to be the key to whether these are going to be awesome overpriced cards, or awesome well-priced cards.

I'm just glad it seems they're arriving pretty soon.

Chances are they are going to be well inflated over MSRP for launch anyway. Especially @ the egg.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
GT200 will probably be the high end part that every enthusiast have long been waiting for. Not to mention its coming rather sooner than later.

I really hope so!

I'm a tad concerned about price though...that's going to be the key to whether these are going to be awesome overpriced cards, or awesome well-priced cards.

I'm just glad it seems they're arriving pretty soon.

current rumor is $499. Considering how crazy 8800gtx was and how long it was/is at the top of the game, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable price to me.

 

[Rusin]

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[nitromullet]

If the GTX 280 comes in at $500 I don't think it will be the monster most are hoping it will be. NVIDIA has consistently shown that they'll easily charge $600+ when they have a card that performs. For them to slot a new architecture beneath the going rate for most name brand GX2s wouldn't be a good sign. It's all just rumor, but I'm hoping it will be a $600 card that's worth every penny like the 8800GTX was when it launched.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Rusin
I don't think that anyone would be intrested of Nvidia's plans for new naming system for graphics cards, but well..:

Those two GT200-cards arriving soon won't be called Geforce 9900 GTX and 9900 GTS. They'll be named Geforce GTX 280 and Geforce GTX 260.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=276040
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Would move it towards ATi's system..

Guess What?

It's True

9900GTX = GeForce GTX 280 and 9900GTS = GeForce GTX 260 is now official.

 

[Rusin]

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