nVidia GT200 Series Thread

[happy medium]

I think it depends on the gpu. Some overclock real nice, some don't. The difference between 25fps and 31 fps for me means something.

Stock 7800gs is 350 core 1250 mem . I can play at 500 core 1450mem to me that's worth it.

 

[Rusin]

Well OCing affected more G80 cards than G92 [perhaps memory bandwidht limitations?]. At least my 8800 GTS 640 ran games much better with 25% OC (for both memory and GPU)..didn't need fraps to see difference [specially minimum fps numbers got UP]

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: happy medium
I think it depends on the gpu. Some overclock real nice, some don't. The difference between 25fps and 31 fps for me means something.

Stock 7800gs is 350 core 1250 mem . I can play at 500 core 1450mem to me that's worth it.

Like I said, I'm talking top end .

 

[Rusin]

http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2118
Geforce GTX 260 on video. Only visual difference between that and GTX 280 can be found from power connectors.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: SteelSix
I wonder what kind of oc's we can expect. Stock clocks seems pretty modest. What are the factors again? I've seen people talk more about the die size and other stuff than with previous GPUs.

OCing high end video cards like the GTX280 is largely pointless.

Perhaps, but saving $200 and OCing a GTX 260 (or two) may be a really good alternative.

My philosophy on OCing is it's best used to make cheap parts work like expensive ones (Q6600@3GHz = QX6850@stock 3GHz), not (GTX280@10% OC = 85fps vs 80fps)

You often like to point out (correctly) that a second video card in SLI will yield you more fps/dollar than any other upgrade. 5-10 fps is often the difference between a two vastly differently priced cpu's, so IMO it makes sense to at least try for a mild OC if it costs you nothing. IIRC, I've never heard of anyone actually damaging their card by attempting a 10% OC.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: nRollo
OCing high end video cards like the GTX280 is largely pointless.

Read any review of a top tier factory OCd card and the differences in performance would not be noticeable without the frame counter on.

How is it pointless? It helps future-proof a purchase that is already guaranteed to become obsolete in 12-24 months....postponing that by increasing performance isn't pointless at all. The OC'ability does matter if NV is going to batch and validate the best GT200 cores, notch up the clockspeed of a GTX 280 and name it say, Ultra 290 or GTX 300. For those willing to OC with chips capable of hitting binned/new revision speeds, there isn't as much need to upgrade.

Whether the OC results in a significant performance gain does depend largely on the chip as only a 35-45MHz core increase and 150MHz shader increase on the G80 GTX turned it into an Ultra. That performance difference was enough to solidly place the Ultra as the fastest single GPU solution of last generation. Similarly, there's a huge performance gain on the G80 GTS when you go from "stock" 500MHz to the 575MHz many OC versions sold for and all stock versions were able to run at. The gains aren't as pronounced on G92, but they're still there as you can see with stock parts vs. OC'd ones.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

edit: it actually looks like neither of them light up... http://www.vr-zone.com/article...Z_Screenshot/5828.html having them be different colors AND not light up is really kinda ghetto for a $650 card IMO.

Ya I saw that as well and agree, I thought that was one feature that really contributed to the GX2's cool gadget factor. I personally like trim and bling as long as its not over-the-top (Embossed NV logo on top is sweet too imo) and with the GX2 the LEDs had good functionality as well.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: SteelSix
I wonder what kind of oc's we can expect. Stock clocks seems pretty modest. What are the factors again? I've seen people talk more about the die size and other stuff than with previous GPUs.

OCing high end video cards like the GTX280 is largely pointless.

Read any review of a top tier factory OCd card and the differences in performance would not be noticeable without the frame counter on.

A poor trade for higher heat, possibly voiding your warranty, and possibly damaging a very expensive card.

My philosophy on OCing is it's best used to make cheap parts work like expensive ones (Q6600@3GHz = QX6850@stock 3GHz), not (GTX280@10% OC = 85fps vs 80fps)

It always surprises me even more when "OCs better" is tossed out as a reason to buy another part that still performs much worse OCd.

People need to re-think why they OC and want to.

That is so bogus. You sound like a company man. Pun intended. Actually A good stable O/C raises the performance nicely. So now that you SAID IT. A cheaper, cooler, more efficient, ATI highend card will be the right choice. As you said a few frames means nothing. OR does it? All I need is 60 fps . So ya I agree with ya rollo. THATS a first. Buy smart buy ATI. Cheaper good performance cooler and more efficient. Or just buy NV. A stock I have now shorted and doing nicely also . Stock just keeps falling . Money in the Bank .

 

[Hauk]

I see Rollo's point in that oc'ing high end parts can sometimes yield marginal results. Real world difference between 8800 GTX and an Ultra would be a good example. But I wouldn't call it pointless by any means.

I was thinking about the complexity of this new gpu, will it overclock well. I'm not afraid to give it a run. Still haven't made up my mind though on Red or Green. Damn it!

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: SteelSix
I wonder what kind of oc's we can expect. Stock clocks seems pretty modest. What are the factors again? I've seen people talk more about the die size and other stuff than with previous GPUs.

OCing high end video cards like the GTX280 is largely pointless.

Read any review of a top tier factory OCd card and the differences in performance would not be noticeable without the frame counter on.

A poor trade for higher heat, possibly voiding your warranty, and possibly damaging a very expensive card.

My philosophy on OCing is it's best used to make cheap parts work like expensive ones (Q6600@3GHz = QX6850@stock 3GHz), not (GTX280@10% OC = 85fps vs 80fps)

It always surprises me even more when "OCs better" is tossed out as a reason to buy another part that still performs much worse OCd.

People need to re-think why they OC and want to.

That is so bogus. You sound like a company man. Pun intended. Actually A good stable O/C raises the performance nicely. So now that you SAID IT. A cheaper, cooler, more efficient, ATI highend card will be the right choice. As you said a few frames means nothing. OR does it? All I need is 60 fps . So ya I agree with ya rollo. THATS a first. Buy smart buy ATI. Cheaper good performance cooler and more efficient. Or just buy NV. A stock I have now shorted and doing nicely also . Stock just keeps falling . Money in the Bank .

I would think talking down a company you shorted is much worse than being a company man. At least nRollo has in his sig. why he is generally positive on Nvidia. You've been talking down Nvidia in multiple threads and this is the first time I've seen that you've mentioned you might have a monetary interest in doing so.

 

[superbooga]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
their crappy naming scheme ruined that. 8600gts is crap compared to 7900gtx, and that is the "next gen" card to compare it to.

Yes, the 8600gts was a disappointment ... but still, it's much faster than the 7900gtx in games like Crysis and CoD4. Geforce 7 was good for it's time, but it ages really badly compared to x1900. Basically when the 8600gts was released, it was designed as a card that would outperform the previous Geforce high-end in future games.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I shorted the stock to make money period . Same as I did with AMD when I found out Dothan was the next big deal= C2D. I follow tech to make money also. We as hardware fantics have opertunities to make big $$$. We follow the road maps. We stay current with reality. Its a hugh investment advantage. Think about it . How many people actually follow this stuff? Just us. You have an advantage use it.
I shorted NV . for many good reasons. First was. I in no way thought Intel would ever ever buy NV . IF intel was buying it would have been EPIC ATI. This EPIC is alot more important to AMD and Intel than most understand. So a lot of NV rise in stock price was based on intel buying NV. Not ever happening. Unless Intel cripples them which may infact happen just like C2D did to AMD .

I haven't hidden anything I came right out and said it. I play the market . I am for My pocket book. SO yes I pull for ATI . For many differant reasons DX10.1 being just 1.
But IF Larrabbee is truely a big deal . If Intel doesn't give NV a QPI license thats great news for me . As an investor . NV won't beable to do sli on Nehalem top product. That screams one thing to me Short NV . Even if NV gets QPlink license Larrabbee still screams short NV.


I lost money on the R600 thing. But I still hanging tuff with ATI until Larrabbee. I even drove up to the cities to bitch slap a reporter. Good thing I never caught up to the lieing bastard. But it helped me . Because the next big hype was Phenoem I new it would be second in a 2 car race.

Than when you look at Larrabbee. OH my . GPU X86 16 cores 4 threads per core. I don't exspect it to be better than NV/ATI in graphics . But ineverthing else No. 1

I'm not going to move this post, but please stay on-topic. This is a thread for discussing the GT200, not talking about investment strategies (fictional or otherwise). The next time you purposely take this thread off topic, there will be greater repercussions.

-ViRGE

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: happy medium
I think it depends on the gpu. Some overclock real nice, some don't. The difference between 25fps and 31 fps for me means something.

Stock 7800gs is 350 core 1250 mem . I can play at 500 core 1450mem to me that's worth it.

yah my 8400M GS in my dell laptop oc's well also

from 400/800/500 to 600/1200/738 on the core/shader/memory

screenshot here:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8953/gpuzht8.jpg

 

[Tempered81]

gtx 280 running in vista:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=7710&Itemid=1

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I shorted the stock to make money period . Same as I did with AMD when I found out Dothan was the next big deal= C2D. I follow tech to make money also. We as hardware fantics have opertunities to make big $$$. We follow the road maps. We stay current with reality. Its a hugh investment advantage. Think about it . How many people actually follow this stuff? Just us. You have an advantage use it.
I shorted NV . for many good reasons. First was. I in no way thought Intel would ever ever buy NV . IF intel was buying it would have been EPIC ATI. This EPIC is alot more important to AMD and Intel than most understand. So a lot of NV rise in stock price was based on intel buying NV. Not ever happening. Unless Intel cripples them which may infact happen just like C2D did to AMD .

I haven't hidden anything I came right out and said it. I play the market . I am for My pocket book. SO yes I pull for ATI . For many differant reasons DX10.1 being just 1.
But IF Larrabbee is truely a big deal . If Intel doesn't give NV a QPI license thats great news for me . As an investor . NV won't beable to do sli on Nehalem top product. That screams one thing to me Short NV . Even if NV gets QPlink license Larrabbee still screams short NV.


I lost money on the R600 thing. But I still hanging tuff with ATI until Larrabbee. I even drove up to the cities to bitch slap a reporter. Good thing I never caught up to the lieing bastard. But it helped me . Because the next big hype was Phenoem I new it would be second in a 2 car race.

Than when you look at Larrabbee. OH my . GPU X86 16 cores 4 threads per core. I don't exspect it to be better than NV/ATI in graphics . But ineverthing else No. 1

Reported, I for one have had enough of your posts .
Why don't you take your private war vs Rollo/NV to PMs so we don't have to read it in every other thread? Oh and as a service to you let me mention that peeps who brag about "..bitch slap ..." are usually the keyboard warriors who couldn't .
Talk is cheap, let the rest of us enjoy the forums w/o your nonsense.

 

[Rusin]

Nobody seemed to mind previous version of OP [had Fudzilla-link and claimed that GTX 280 will lose against 9800 GX2], but decided to make small update for it. Anything missing or something?

 

[gigahertz20]

Tomshardware posted a video of the GeForce 280 GTX.

http://www.tomshardware.com/gt...-gtx200,video-284.html

Guess this was already posted, but from some German website.

 

[Rusin]

Yes it was posted and yes it's GTX 260..not 280. You'll notice difference from power connectors [GTX 260: 2x6pin [both black colour] vs. GTX 280: 1x6pin [black]+1x8pin [light, transparent]]

 

[Hauk]

Damn it, I can't make up my mind. I'd go for a 280 but what about these rumors of a 55nm version. I'll end up wanting that come fall but not if it's an Ultra with fancy pricetag.

Now I'm thinking a 260 would work for now, sell it and buy a GT200b in the fall. But I could buy a 280 now and do the same thing. Or I'd just hold on to the 280 if there's no good reason to move to a GT200b.

What to do? X48 board, E8400 @ 3.8, 24" Dell..

 

[Rusin]

Buy Nintendo Wii and stop worrying?

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: Rusin
Buy Nintendo Wii and stop worrying?

Must keep the monolith's heartbeat ticking..

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
gtx 280 running in vista:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=7710&Itemid=1

Yum yum gimme some!

 

[gigahertz20]

Originally posted by: Rusin
Yes it was posted and yes it's GTX 260..not 280. You'll notice difference from power connectors [GTX 260: 2x6pin [both black colour] vs. GTX 280: 1x6pin [black]+1x8pin [light, transparent]]

A little excited for the release of these new video cards are you? Looking at your posts count, you have like 100 posts if not more in this thread and the ATi thread.

 

[9nines]

Anyone seen the dimensions of the GTX 280?

Will it fit into an Antec 900 (I think the 8800GTX pushed this one) or CM 690 case?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SteelSix
I see Rollo's point in that oc'ing high end parts can sometimes yield marginal results. Real world difference between 8800 GTX and an Ultra would be a good example. But I wouldn't call it pointless by any means.

I was thinking about the complexity of this new gpu, will it overclock well. I'm not afraid to give it a run. Still haven't made up my mind though on Red or Green. Damn it!

Yep- that's what I was getting at.

I won't RMA a part I've OCd unless the warranty specifies it's acceptable to OC, so for me the returns on OCing a high end part don't justify the risk.

I'd rather just buy a factory OCd model. It's rare you'll see a big enough increase on a top end part OCd that it allows you to actually use the part in a different way. (e.g. run higher res, run higher AA)