Nvidia GTX295

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[BenSkywalker]

Kyle's

 

[SSChevy2001]

Computer Base

 

[Wreckage]

Tech Report's is delayed because of CES.

 

[OCGuy]

Awesome single-card solution. I really liked Gurus overclocking page.

Glad to see my setup isnt totally obsolete yet :laugh:

Now nV has the top multi and single GPU solution again....lets hope they keep prices in the right spot.


Edit: I want to see CrossfireX v Quad-sli to see who has the top multi-card solution period

 

[ronnn]

Looks like the fastest at this time. Wonder how ati will respond. Some new tech would be nice.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Will these dual chip NVIDIA cards run on a non SLI board?

 

[dadach]

looks like nvidia card gets owned at 8x AA...but thats just highest setting noone really uses im sure

 

[HurleyBird]

Looks like cat 9.1 is a magic driver that lets the 4870X2 tie the GTX 295 at moderate settings, while destroying it at maximum res/aa/aniso where it runs out of memory. Just watch out, a lot of reviews are still using Cat 8.12

Weird that everyone retested Core 216 with all the games NVIDIA told them to when Big Bang II came out, but won't take the time to use AMDs new driver which seems give way more of an improvement than Big Bang II did. On the other hand, maybe it's just AMDs PR (or lack thereof) at work.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Will these dual chip NVIDIA cards run on a non SLI board?

Yep!

 

[chizow]

PCGH

GTX 295 consistently beats 4870X2 with 8xAA in that review as well. Is Catalyst 9.1 even released yet? Last I saw ATI was still releasing hot fixes for 8.12 hot fixes.

 

[chizow]

dp

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: chizow
PCGH

GTX 295 consistently beats 4870X2 with 8xAA in that review as well. Is Catalyst 9.1 even released yet? Last I saw ATI was still releasing hot fixes for 8.12 hot fixes.

There not release yet, but some people have the early beta of it.
Computer Base

They only used it on the 4870x2, but it looks like a big inprovement can't wait.

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Here's quad SLI, but the ATi card is using the older 8.12 driver in this reviews.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardwa...-295-quad-sli-review/1
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...erformance/default.asp

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: chizow
PCGH

GTX 295 consistently beats 4870X2 with 8xAA in that review as well. Is Catalyst 9.1 even released yet? Last I saw ATI was still releasing hot fixes for 8.12 hot fixes.

There not release yet, but some people have the early beta of it.
Computer Base

They only used it on the 4870x2, but it looks like a big inprovement can't wait.

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Here's quad SLI, but the ATi card is using the older 8.12 driver in this reviews.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardwa...-295-quad-sli-review/1
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...erformance/default.asp

I've glanced over the computerbase review and I'm not seeing the big improvements from 9.1 over 8.12. I didn't see anything over 5% improvement and in cases where the 4870x2 beats the 295 with 8xAA, it didn't need the marginal gain from 9.1 to do so.

 

[JPB]

I now have 21 days left in my step-up period through EVGA.......what should I do ? I still haven't decided :shocked:

Better decide something within the next few days if I want to make it though.

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: chizow
I've glanced over the computerbase review and I'm not seeing the big improvements from 9.1 over 8.12. I didn't see anything over 5% improvement and in cases where the 4870x2 beats the 295 with 8xAA, it didn't need the marginal gain from 9.1 to do so.

Check out Crysis and FC2 at Computerbase.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: chizow
I've glanced over the computerbase review and I'm not seeing the big improvements from 9.1 over 8.12. I didn't see anything over 5% improvement and in cases where the 4870x2 beats the 295 with 8xAA, it didn't need the marginal gain from 9.1 to do so.

Crysis Warhead 8xAA 16xAF 16x10
4870x2 9.x 29.2 FPS
4870x2 8.12 20.8 FPS
GTX295 19.5 FPS

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird

Originally posted by: chizow
I've glanced over the computerbase review and I'm not seeing the big improvements from 9.1 over 8.12. I didn't see anything over 5% improvement and in cases where the 4870x2 beats the 295 with 8xAA, it didn't need the marginal gain from 9.1 to do so.

http://translate.google.com/tr...%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft">9.1 turned the 4870X2 into *the* Crysis card</a>

http://translate.google.com/tr...%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft">And helped a lot in FC 2 too</a>

Well we are talking about launch drivers for the 295 as well, and it is still on top. How long has the X2 been out?

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Well we are talking about launch drivers for the 295 as well, and it is still on top. How long has the X2 been out?

Oh come on, it's just SLI on a sandwich. It's not like the GTX 295 is a new architecture or a new form of multi-GPU. The 295 could have been launched alongside the 4870X2 and it would still be around the same position performance wise. As for it being on top, so far the only reviews that think that are using the old 8.12s. With the Cat 9 betas things look pretty darn even, except that the GTX 295 regularly runs out of memory at the highest settings -- which is a sign of things to come at lower resolutions eventually.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: chizow
I've glanced over the computerbase review and I'm not seeing the big improvements from 9.1 over 8.12. I didn't see anything over 5% improvement and in cases where the 4870x2 beats the 295 with 8xAA, it didn't need the marginal gain from 9.1 to do so.

Crysis Warhead 8xAA 16xAF 16x10
4870x2 9.x 29.2 FPS
4870x2 8.12 20.8 FPS
GTX295 19.5 FPS

I sure hope this recent driver war doesn't turn into an IQ war. Those tend to be the nasty ones. :beer:

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: ronnn
I sure hope this recent driver war doesn't turn into an IQ war. Those tend to be the nasty ones. :beer:

This update introduces driver multithreading under certain DirectX10 applications, allowing the driver workload to be more effectively distributed across multi-core CPU?s. With the graphics processing power behind a solution such as ATI Radeon? HD 4870 X2 this can provide some notable performance improvements. Additionally this driver also provides a Crossfire X optimized profile for Need for Speed Undercover allowing ATI Radeon? HD 4870 X2 to play this title with maximum quality effects enabled.

The improvements the 8.561.3 driver brings include:

· Call of Juarez improves up to 15% with AA enabled

· Company of Heroes improves up to 5%

· Crysis improves as much as 18%

· Crysis Warhead improves as much as 20-30%

· Need for Speed Underground improves as much as 70%-80%

· World In Conflict improve as much as 5%

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about19417.html

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: chizow
I've glanced over the computerbase review and I'm not seeing the big improvements from 9.1 over 8.12. I didn't see anything over 5% improvement and in cases where the 4870x2 beats the 295 with 8xAA, it didn't need the marginal gain from 9.1 to do so.

Crysis Warhead 8xAA 16xAF 16x10
4870x2 9.x 29.2 FPS
4870x2 8.12 20.8 FPS
GTX295 19.5 FPS

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Check out Crysis and FC2 at Computerbase.

So significant gains in 2/12 games tested and in FC2 AA performance doesn't benefit, only no AA. The Crysis gains are impressive but I don't think the 9.1s are going to be enough to change the conclusion from the various reviews: that the GTX 295 is the fastest single card available today. Certainly nice seeing the gains from driver updates though, I personally can't wait for WHQL 185s.

 

[finbarqs]

my biggest thing is that I'm running 2 monitors... I know the ATI will allow me to run my games at "SLI" speed when I'm using dual monitors. Nvidia was notorious for only letting you harness the power of one card (GX2 series) when you have a dual monitor setup. Will this still be the case with this GTX 295? Did they fix that in a driver? If not, I'm still looking at ATI being my next card... I'm still running on my old trust worthy 8800GTX!

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: chizow
So significant gains in 2/12 games tested and in FC2 AA performance doesn't benefit, only no AA. The Crysis gains are impressive but I don't think the 9.1s are going to be enough to change the conclusion from the various reviews: that the GTX 295 is the fastest single card available today. Certainly nice seeing the gains from driver updates though, I personally can't wait for WHQL 185s.

The few monster gains and smaller overall speedup combined make it pretty close, at least thats what the two reviews using cat 9.1 found. We'll know for sure when more reviews are out. If new reviews that come with 9.1 start to show the 4870X2 losing, you're right. If they show them fairly even/too close to call, then I'm right. And so far it's 2-0 against you.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird

Originally posted by: chizow
So significant gains in 2/12 games tested and in FC2 AA performance doesn't benefit, only no AA. The Crysis gains are impressive but I don't think the 9.1s are going to be enough to change the conclusion from the various reviews: that the GTX 295 is the fastest single card available today. Certainly nice seeing the gains from driver updates though, I personally can't wait for WHQL 185s.

The few monster gains and smaller overall speedup combined make it pretty close, at least thats what the two reviews using cat 9.1 found. We'll know for sure when more reviews are out. If new reviews that come with 9.1 start to show the 4870X2 losing, you're right. If they show them fairly even/too close to call, then I'm right. And so far it's 2-0 against you.

Rofl what? You have 2 titles that show significant gains representing a fraction of tested titles, the majority of which still favor the GTX 295 even with 9.1 improvements. So again, how are gains in 2 titles going to change reviewer's conclusions when the results still indicate the GTX 295 is the faster card, especially when Far Cry 2 still results in a win for the GTX 295.

From your linked review that includes 9.1 results:

So who builds the better multi-GPU card? ATi oder Nvidia? ATi or Nvidia? A question that is extremely difficult to answer. The facts: The performance of the Nvidia card is on average higher than the ATi, is in high resolutions but clearly springs located at high quality settings partially. Not least because the ATi card by us made available beta drivers (probably Catalyst 9.1) a good step forward has made.