Show me where Nvidia claimed this was a "new generation". It sound's like you are misinformed. A new model # doesn't mean a new generation. Less power usage, more performance, on the same 40nm tech is pretty solid.
What's with the smartass answer? I guess what I really meant is how much difference is 60w on a high end videocard? I pay 13 cents a kwh I believe. If it consumes 60watts an hour more than my 480 than it takes a little over 16 hours of gaming to save 13 cents over my current gtx 480. So it takes 123 hours of gaming to save $1 over my current gtx 480? Are my figures correct? Seems insane a videocard manufacturer can advertise a card as a new generation and it consumes 60w less power and the same performance. I like nvidia but doing the math just now shows what a fraud the 5 series are. I mean come on 123 hours of gaming and I save $1 over the supposed fermi furnace. If my math is wrong someone please correct me.
Exactly. The GTX 570 is NVIDIA saying "here's the card we didn't screw up." Great ad campaign .Okay I can see it from that perspective. 480 performance for $350 with the added bonus of a little less heat. Makes total sense for someone on the gtx 2XX series or Ati 4XXX series.
Exactly. The GTX 570 is NVIDIA saying "here's the card we didn't screw up." Great ad campaign .
That's probably a little extreme. What people forget is that the 480 was a very good GPU, but more of it's shortcomings were price/heat/power usage. The performance was there, but the other pieces were not. The 570 is essentially a 480 improved in every way with a little less GPU memory. We probably would have seen these improvements much sooner if all the 40nm issues hadn't appeared before and after the initial launch.
I think with the incredibly poor reception and sales the GTX 480 and 470 got AMD saw that consumers wanted solutions that excel in all metrics, including performance, image quality, sound profiles, power efficiency, and features, and they definitely delivered. Even when they practically give away the GTX 470's (half off original MSRP in less than 8 months + 1-2 free games?), NVIDIA can't compete with AMD's quality products. Really, AMD's DX11 marketshare speaks for itself. Hopefully NVIDIA can get its act together and deliver some products that are at least somewhat competitive. The GTX 570 might be capable, but then the 6950 and 6970 aren't even released yet .Yeah, the 480 still crushed the competition and offered far better features and image quality. Now that AMD has released a 6870 that is actually slower than a 5870 that gap has grown wider.
Hopefully Cayman will be the card the 5870\6870 should have been.
Hopefully Cayman will be the card the 5870\6870 should have been.
Ask yourself two questions.
1. Are you an intelligent person?
2. Have you ever in your life had a really dumb idea?
Not saying I agree that JHH idea was wrong. There is merit to that idealism, that if someone has a fallback plan when working on something that is tremendously difficult, then the fallback plan looks all that more appealing and may not put all efforts into the main project.
While the actual "comment" sounds unorthodox for the reason, "How can a big corp, not have a backup or plan B? There are reasons.
Okay I can see it from that perspective. 480 performance for $350 with the added bonus of a little less heat. Makes total sense for someone on the gtx 2XX series or Ati 4XXX series.
LOL.. thank you coming back.. this forum was looking dull without you.
5870 was the fastest single GPU when it was released.. and held onto it for ~9 months until 480 was released.
Exactly. The GTX 570 is NVIDIA saying "here's the card we didn't screw up." Great ad campaign .
Funny how Nvidia can "screw up" a card and its still faster then AMD offerings.
Ask yourself two questions.
1. Are you an intelligent person?
2. Have you ever in your life had a really dumb idea?
Not saying I agree that JHH idea was wrong. There is merit to that idealism, that if someone has a fallback plan when working on something that is tremendously difficult, then the fallback plan looks all that more appealing and may not put all efforts into the main project.
While the actual "comment" sounds unorthodox for the reason, "How can a big corp, not have a backup or plan B? There are reasons.
No offense to you. I know you didn't come up with that idea yourself. Nobody who knows anything at all about leading people would believe that to be true. I had heard JHH believed that was the proper method of motivation. All I can say is I hope I never have to follow JHH, into battle.
No offense to you. I know you didn't come up with that idea yourself. Nobody who knows anything at all about leading people would believe that to be true. I had heard JHH believed that was the proper method of motivation. All I can say is I hope I never have to follow JHH, into battle.
you're right, I'd rather be on hector ruiz' team. that guy's a winner!
vince lombardi - not a nice guy
bill bellichick - not a nice guy
lou gerstner - laid off thousands
George Washington - led a successful rebellion, leading to countless thousands of deaths
Jimmy Carter - nice guy
which one of these guys would you want to lead you into battle? jhh would probably be a great general, actually. he just wouldn't be a lot of fun to work for if things weren't going well.
Maybe burning the boats or the threat of "no plan B" is a bit extreme, but if you think that won't motivate people of character then you don't know what leadership is.
15 months later they're finally competing with AMD's previous generation? What an accomplishment!Funny how Nvidia can "screw up" a card and its still faster then AMD offerings.
Such a work of art, in fact, they had to reduce prices 30-40% in just three months and include free games just to get people to buy them .Yeah if you can't beat a competitors "screw up", it may be time to cash in your chips. (pun intended).
After seeing the work of art that the 460 was, the 570 is no surprise really. I wonder what the rest of the 5xx series will do (seems time for a 570x2)
Sounds like Cayman may or may not be here anytime soon (depending on the site you read), so this could be it for the rest of the year.
15 months later they're finally competing with AMD's previous generation? What an accomplishment!
Such a work of art, in fact, they had to reduce prices 30-40% in just three months and include free games
The only place where Nvidia was not competitive in the DX11 market was the entry level segment with the 5670, 5750, and 5770 where they had zero competition from Nvidia. Add in Nvidia being 6 months late with their high end product, AMD had close to 9 months or so without competion in the market segment that makes up most gpu sales.I think with the incredibly poor reception and sales the GTX 480 and 470 got AMD saw that consumers wanted solutions that excel in all metrics, including performance, image quality, sound profiles, power efficiency, and features, and they definitely delivered. Even when they practically give away the GTX 470's (half off original MSRP in less than 8 months + 1-2 free games?), NVIDIA can't compete with AMD's quality products. Really, AMD's DX11 marketshare speaks for itself. Hopefully NVIDIA can get its act together and deliver some products that are at least somewhat competitive. The GTX 570 might be capable, but then the 6950 and 6970 aren't even released yet .
Thats because they care about gamers pocket books. They even give us stuff for free. AMD just raises there prices over MSRP.
So they lost a battle and are now are winning the war.
Wheres the 6950/70? The 6990 next year? No X-mas cards? Sounds like they got caught with their pants down?
Nvidia is selling the gtx570/80 like hotcakes with no competition during the holidays.
AMD fanboys are jumping ship to Nvidia like its the Titanic.
As a general, he would remind me more of Napoleon and Custer lol, so Nvidia better hope they don't have any Waterloo and Little Big Horn's waitng around the corner...which one of these guys would you want to lead you into battle? jhh would probably be a great general, actually. he just wouldn't be a lot of fun to work for if things weren't going well.
15 months later they're finally competing with AMD's previous generation? What an accomplishment!
Such a work of art, in fact, they had to reduce prices 30-40% in just three months and include free games just to get people to buy them .
Wow.. just wow.