what games do you play? what res? are you unhappy with current performance? etc etc.
short answer: maybe.
Worth upgrading from a 5850?
With a overclock of 850 on the core it seems to = a gtx 580. 120mhz overclock.
really? so a 13% oc causes 15-20% performance increase? wow, very impressive!
So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase? I'd buy one just to tinker around with if I had time, but that doesn't seem like a good purchase for the average consumer, especially when so much is placed on price vs. performance. They are much better at tessellation, but that wouldn't warrant an upgrade for me (yet, anyway).The new lower price of some of the 5870's may lure some people away from the 570, but it's not going to be any where near as bad as you are trying to making it out to be I imagine.
You're assuming that people will/would buy AMD's cards too. The rumored performance of the 6970 seems to be the absolute minimum to make a worthwhile jump. If it isn't as fast/doesn't overclock well, it's another miss in my book. For example, I have a 5850 that was available for $260 15 months ago that runs past these cards when overclocked. There's many out there like me, so where's our incentive to buy?Huh? Your argument is that the market is completely saturated already by high-end cards?
I'm sure plenty of people will be buying these cards. In fact as of right now, AMD hasn't even got their new high-end out for Xmas, when consumer wallets open up.
http://hwt.dk/literaturedetails.aspx?LiteratureID=17748 - the 5870 is faster in some of the tests. Techpowerup has a nice summary as always - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/27.html , and seems to be right where I estimated (~10% faster than a 5870 overall).pcper.com has a review up and it seems to destroy even the 2gb version of the 5870 in everything except for civ v, which let's face it - is not a good gpu test.
What games are you playing that the 570 isn't faster? In Metro 2033 and lost planet the card is as much as 40 - 50% faster than the 5870 2gb.
Well past it actually. Probably more like 800-825MHz depending on the game. EDIT: scratch that, TechPowerUp's results: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/30.html . The cards seem to be OK overclockers, although the GTX 580 seems to have more headroom. It's tough to tell this early.With a overclock of 850 on the core it seems to = a gtx 580. 120mhz overclock.
Check your math, a 14.7% OC on the core granted 9.4% more FPS (not including the gains from the memory clock as well).really? so a 13% oc causes 15-20% performance increase? wow, very impressive!
biggest takeaway for me was at the very end of AT's article Ryan made it obvious that he doesn't have 69x0 cards yet and doesnt' even know when he'll be getting them. dec 13th is right around the corner...
You make a fair point, and I agree the 5870 $260 is a good deal, but it is going to take a more broad scale price drop on the 5870 than a few sku's to put allot of pressure on the 570 imho.So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase? I'd buy one just to tinker around with if I had time, but that doesn't seem like a good purchase for the average consumer, especially when so much is placed on price vs. performance. They are much better at tessellation, but that wouldn't warrant an upgrade for me (yet, anyway).
It would be a bad move to not price the 5870s to sell. The inventory needs to be cleared because the cards will not be made anymore; the 6800 series is replacing them. There's no reason for AMD to continue making Cypress chips. Besides, whether they sell a 5870 or 6870, AMD gets the money. Well, actually, I believe it is the retailers who need to worry about getting the money. Don't the retailers buy the cards, and in turn they must sell them to make their own money? If 5800 cards aren't being made there's no reason for retailers to buy more of them to keep up inventory, so they are selling current stock as to not be left high and dry.Also, part of the problem AMD faces with 5870 price drops in that range is what that will do to 6870 sales. If you say no one will buy a 570 @ $100 more for a marginal performance increase, who in their right mind would buy a 6870 at the same price of the 5870 which beats it in every way except for maybe crossfire scaling?
So, the 5870 price may soften, but unless something happens with the 6850/6870 pricing structure, AMD is going to be limited in just how low they are going to go without stepping on their own toes on their brand new 68's. It will be interesting to see how things turn out over the next month, and just how aggressive the prices are going to be.
With all the money and tech nvidia has. Someone tell
Me why nvidia come out with this in the beginning of the 5000 series launch.
More than likely he meant why not originally.? Nvidia just released this, it did not come out at the 5000 launch (a year ago).
Indeed. I'm just wondering how aggressive they are willing to be with prices given the current prices of the 6870 given the performance gap between it and the 5870 which affects the 5870 vs 570 price/performance argument.It would be a bad move to not price the 5870s to sell.
More than likely he meant why not originally.
Answer probably is 40nm growing pains.
So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase? I'd buy one just to tinker around with if I had time, but that doesn't seem like a good purchase for the average consumer, especially when so much is placed on price vs. performance. They are much better at tessellation, but that wouldn't warrant an upgrade for me (yet, anyway).
You're assuming that people will/would buy AMD's cards too. The rumored performance of the 6970 seems to be the absolute minimum to make a worthwhile jump. If it isn't as fast/doesn't overclock well, it's another miss in my book. For example, I have a 5850 that was available for $260 15 months ago that runs past these cards when overclocked. There's many out there like me, so where's our incentive to buy?
http://hwt.dk/literaturedetails.aspx?LiteratureID=17748 - the 5870 is faster in some of the tests. Techpowerup has a nice summary as always - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/27.html , and seems to be right where I estimated (~10% faster than a 5870 overall).
Well past it actually. Probably more like 800-825MHz depending on the game. EDIT: scratch that, TechPowerUp's results: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/30.html . The cards seem to be OK overclockers, although the GTX 580 seems to have more headroom. It's tough to tell this early.
Check your math, a 14.7% OC on the core granted 9.4% more FPS (not including the gains from the memory clock as well).
I noticed that too but read the conclusion over at Techreport. He basically said next week for Cayman. All these rumors make the head hurt.
Edit: I just checked the review and it has been changed.
Now says: "Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to this same channel for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"
Used to say: Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to next week's episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"
Hmm...
Looking over the reviews, it seems the GTX 570 it still isn't faster than the 5870 in some cases (i.e. performance is still close enough to depend on architectural differences) and ~10% faster overall. With the 5870 available for $250, I don't see how NVIDIA expects this to sell.
I noticed that too but read the conclusion over at Techreport. He basically said next week for Cayman. All these rumors make the head hurt.
Edit: I just checked the review and it has been changed.
Now says: "Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to this same channel for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"
Used to say: Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to next week's episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"
Hmm...
wow wreckage, that was a long vacation you took. what brings you back now?