nVidia GTX570s dying from Overclocking??

[load81]

You obviously missed the point - the funny part is the irony of blind, fanatical defense of a company or purchase actually doing one in, not the "lifeless product with no feelings or soul" getting bricked.

Huh? He lol'ed about groove saying to let everyone know how my rma goes. I didn't miss the point anyways. It was a misunderstanding he gave me a cookie for it lol. Check the thread I wasn't even laughing about 6950'd dieing. I think I'm about to be lynched by the AMD mob again. I'm out of here bye

 

[evolucion8]

DP

 

[evolucion8]

Kinda weird that you feel good about bricking an GTX 570, a lifeless product with no feelings or soul, from a company who doesn't even know who you are....Omg wait didn't you say the same thing to me? Blind AMD fanboyism everywhere in this forum lately

Huh? He lol'ed about groove saying to let everyone know how my rma goes. I didn't miss the point anyways. It was a misunderstanding he gave me a cookie for it lol. Check the thread I wasn't even laughing about 6950'd dieing. I think I'm about to be lynched by the AMD mob again. I'm out of here bye

LOL why get mad and insult me? Jeeze relax a little you dont even know me or what I do. I don't feel good about bricking a card I'm not the one who brought it up. I smiled because it can happen with any card not just the 570/6950. I dont think I'm the one who needs an insanity check whoa.

PS: You are free to go, but you won't be missed.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Thank you for being civil about it. Only reason I pointed fingers is because I believe this thread was made in response to the 6950 death thread by Wreckage. The tread title irked me also.

You're new here, but there was a reason Wreckage made that thread, and it's not the same reason thinlinyan made this one. Besides that, it does not give you any relevancy to turn this thread towards 6950 unlock, because that is not really relevant to the discussion about what is happening to some 570s.

Pointing fingers... so dumb. "But but but but I thought he started it." It was hypocritical of you to claim this thread is FUD but turn around and spread FUD yourself. I think this facet of yourself should irk you more than the title of this thread.

 

[load81]

You're new here, but there was a reason Wreckage made that thread, and it's not the same reason thinlinyan made this one. Besides that, it does not give you any relevancy to turn this thread towards 6950 unlock, because that is not really relevant to the discussion about what is happening to some 570s.

Pointing fingers... so dumb. "But but but but I thought he started it." It was hypocritical of you to claim this thread is FUD but turn around and spread FUD yourself. I think this facet of yourself should irk you more than the title of this thread.

What I said about the 6950 bios flash was a comparison to show any card can die from messing with the bios. Not FUD sorry you seen it that way. Any ways someone said "Hey why don't we make a thread about 570's frying" and what a coincidence a thread was made almost right away. This post and what he said after was lies and I'm supposed to believe he was trying to help out? Mistwalker said I pointed a finger at the other camp. I was just offering a comparison and it is relevant because any card can fail if you mod the bios. Sorry if it struck a few peoples nerves. I guess I shouldn't have said anything to try and get the true 570 issue across. I mean 6-7 AMD people jumped on me and more are piling on nitpicking and twisting what I said then judging me for it? It seems some are mad this thread didn't turn out the way they wanted. I see no reason to be irked with myself for trying to get the real 570 issue out. But wait is twisting what I said and judging me relevant to the thread title?lol who is the real hypocrite Wow is this place getting crazy

Edit:I'm only new to posting here been lurking for years. English isnt my first language i'm just starting to be comfortable enough to post.

 

[betasub]

^ Calling posters who simply disagree with you "AMD people" is hardly a great start

 

[load81]

^ Calling posters who simply disagree with you "AMD people" is hardly a great start

i dont see them disagreing they are twisting what i say. jumping me for using a 6950 in a comparison i dont know how else to describe them

 

[cusideabelincoln]

What I said about the 6950 bios flash was a comparison to show any card can die from messing with the bios. Not FUD sorry you seen it that way. Any ways someone said "Hey why don't we make a thread about 570's frying" and what a coincidence a thread was made almost right away. This post and what he said after was lies and I'm supposed to believe he was trying to help out? Mistwalker said I pointed a finger at the other camp. I was just offering a comparison not pointing a finger. And it is relevant because any card can fail if you mod the bios. Sorry if it struck a few peoples nerves. I guess I shouldn't have said anything to try and get the true 570 issue across. I mean 6-7 AMD people jumped on me and more are piling on nitpicking and twisting what I said then judging me for it? It seems some are mad this thread didn't turn out the way they wanted. I see no reason to be irked with myself for trying to get the real 570 issue out. But wait is twisting what I said and judging me relevant to the thread title?lol who is the real hypocrite Wow is this place getting crazy

Edit:I'm only new to posting here been lurking for years and English isnt my first language

Everything you just said can be spinned the same for the 6950 thread. But that isn't relevant. Have you not paid attention to the arguments made by the other posters? There is valid data present but you just keep on ignoring it saying nothing is wrong. Obviously something is wrong with the overclocks of some people's 570s.

Your big justification against this is that it isn't "widespread" issue, yet you keep bringing the 6950 into the discussion when that isn't a widespread issue either. That is hypocrisy. And it's not even relevant. You can simply make your claim as to why you think the issue is limited, while others can make their claim about why the issue could be more far reaching. I don't care with either turn out, but you brought the vendor debate into this thread. I didn't twist anything you said, because your arguments have holes. I'm exploiting those holes. I'm also not judging you, I'm simply stating what I see you doing.

The really useful information are statements like these:

Oh and someone mentions that it probably is a bad batch of vrm's since only recently purchased 570's are cooking

You also keep saying it's safe to overclock the 570 so long as you don't overvolt or disable protection, but then there are reports about people frying their 570 without doing those things. Those are completely contradictory remarks. There is something going on there worth investigating. Just because you have success doesn't mean other people will. And your personal experience seems to be the only argument you keep using, but that simply isn't enough to claim what you are claiming. On the flip side a few incidents isn't enough to claim all 570s have this issue, but obviously some do and it could be a problem if not corrected.

If they twist what i say and jump me for telling the truth i dont know how else to describe them

LOL. You and only you are absolutely 100% correct. Pah-lease.

 

[load81]

You also keep saying it's safe to overclock the 570 so long as you don't overvolt or disable protection, but then there are reports about people frying their 570 without doing those things.

What two? Any card can die from overclocking some are just faulty from the factory. Have you not paid attention to the arguments made by the other posters? Every faulty card cannot be blamed on this issue. And I dont keep bringing the 6950's into it I did once to show it happens to any card. Guess i should of used a nvidia card instead Im sorry. So much for holes and hypocrisy

 

[cusideabelincoln]

What two? Any card can die from overclocking some are just faulty from the factory. Have you not paid attention to the arguments made by the other posters? Every faulty card cannot be blamed on this issue.

LOL I never said or claimed that, at all. Thanks for putting words into my mouth, and into the mouths of some other people. Nice strawman.

And I dont keep bringing the 6950's into it I did once to show it happens to any card.

You should question yourself as to why you did bring it in. It's really not even the same situation. Flashing the BIOS is not exactly the same as simply increasing the core clocks, so the situations here are pretty different. This is the problem I see, because the unlocking a card is not correlative to overclocking.

 

[load81]

It's really not even the same situation. Flashing the BIOS is not exactly the same as simply increasing the core clocks, so the situations here are pretty different. This is the problem I see, because the unlocking a card is not correlative to overclocking.

You have to edit the BIOS to go over 1.1 volts on the 570 to fry them. Or use a program to disable ocp. If not the card was faulty to begin with rma it. Increasing core clocks isnt what is killing these cards. omg i quit this is getting silly with the excuses and spin. I tried enjoying these forums but just cant.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

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[Skurge]

You have to edit the BIOS to go over 1.1 volts on the 570 to fry them. Or use a program to disable ocp. If not the card was faulty to begin with rma it. Increasing core clocks isnt what is killing these cards. omg i quit this is getting silly with the excuses and spin. I tried enjoying these forums but just cant.

So 1.1 is the max voltage?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

You have to edit the BIOS to go over 1.1 volts on the 570 to fry them. Or use a program to disable ocp. If not the card was faulty to begin with rma it. Increasing core clocks isnt what is killing these cards. omg i quit this is getting silly with the excuses and spin. I tried enjoying these forums but just cant.

Two MSI Twin Frozer users have fried their cards without meeting those criteria. You also don't know if the cards were faulty or not at stock, so you can't make that assertion like you are doing. It isn't a sound conclusion, because it's just as possible their cards would have worked fine at stock settings. So right here you're just making up your own spin, yet you reprimand me for doing that? This kind of commentary is simply annoying.

You seem to be making loads of excuses when we should really be making light of the root of the issue. It's apparent the 570 just draws too much power when overclocked and overvolted, and its power circuitry just can't keep up. Did we really hear many people, relative to the number of 570 users, killing other cards like a 480, 470, 5800, or 6900 by doing the same exact methods of overclocking? Theory: The 570's high power demands coupled with relatively weak VRMs smells like the culprit. For these reasons it's probably why we see more people with failed cards relative to other popular high end cards, because these other cards either use less power or have better VRMs. Or to put this another way: Overclocking, overvolting, and/or disabling OCP on a 570 puts it at a greater risk than doing so with other cards. This is the what we're trying to find out. It's not about spreading FUD, like you keep blabbering about.

 

[notty22]

Two MSI Twin Frozer users have fried their cards without meeting those criteria. You also don't know if the cards were faulty or not at stock, so you can't make that assertion like you are doing. It isn't a sound conclusion, because it's just as possible their cards would have worked fine at stock settings. So right here you're just making up your own spin, yet you reprimand me for doing that? This kind of commentary is simply annoying.

You seem to be making loads of excuses when we should really be making light of the root of the issue. It's apparent the 570 just draws too much power when overclocked and overvolted, and its power circuitry just can't keep up. Did we really hear many people, relative to the number of 570 users, killing other cards like a 480, 470, 5800, or 6900 by doing the same exact methods of overclocking? Theory: The 570's high power demands coupled with relatively weak VRMs smells like the culprit. For these reasons it's probably why we see more people with failed cards relative to other popular high end cards, because these other cards either use less power or have better VRMs. Or to put this another way: Overclocking, overvolting, and/or disabling OCP on a 570 puts it at a greater risk than doing so with other cards. This is the what we're trying to find out. It's not about spreading FUD, like you keep blabbering about.

You making to many conclusions of a small sample size all to justify this thread.
Look , 6950's are failing = http://www.overclock.net/ati/929902-my-6950-died.html
they should be avoided, etc etc etc

 

[cusideabelincoln]

You making to many conclusions of a small sample size all to justify this thread.
Look , 6950's are failing = http://www.overclock.net/ati/929902-my-6950-died.html
they should be avoided, etc etc etc

LOL again with the strawman arguments.

My posts are NOT about avoiding the 570s. Not about spreading FUD. My "justification" for this thread is the same as the threads on the other forums: To see if there is indeed an issue with the overclocking 570s.

My conclusions aren't conclusions. They are theories and possible explanations for what is happening, and they make sense given the context of the situation. And they are also reflected by more experienced and knowledgeable users at the overclockers.net thread. They have a much bigger sample size.

(Also did you really post a link to a 6950 dying? Are you serious? That is the most idiotic, fallacious, red herring argument you can possibly use. Seriously, get the fuck out if you're going to post joke material. At least attempt to understand the point I'm making instead of blindly defending one company and then trying to slander another one. But even if I play along with you, unlocking shaders != overclocking. They are different processes and affect the video cards differently.

It's too obvious to see what you are doing. You are so quick to jump to defend your favorite company, and blast the competition, like a typical fanboy. And in your haste you were blinded by what I was really trying to say and achieve, and in the processor [process, but I'll let the typo stand for comedic purposes] put words into my mouth. Next time step back and don't act like a zealot.)

 

[notty22]

LOL again with the strawman arguments.

My posts are NOT about avoiding the 570s. Not about spreading FUD. My "justification" for this thread is the same as the threads on the other forums: To see if there is indeed an issue with the overclocking 570s.

My conclusions are also reflected by more experienced and knowledgeable users at the overclockers.net thread. They have a much bigger sample size.

(Also did you really post a link to a 6950 dying? Are you serious? That is the most idiotic, fallacious, red herring argument you can possibly use. Seriously, get the fuck out if you're going to post joke material. At least attempt to understand the point I'm making instead of blindly defending one company and then trying to slander another one. But even if I play along with you, unlocking shaders != overclocking. They are different processes and affect the video cards differently.)

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[evolucion8]

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If you can't apport something to prove wrong or right the thread and the OP, just don't post at all because you are derailing the thread, attack the message, not the messenger.

 

[Grooveriding]

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You're doing the same thing here that you did in the thread about nvidia's cpu overhead issue with their drivers.

If you cannot stand to see any possible or real issues with nvidia discussed, just stay out of the threads ? You jump into every one and start harping on AMD problems you perceive or spamming benchmarks of nvidia cards.

It's irrelevant and useless. There are plenty of threads to discuss positive nvidia aspects where you can go for your fix.

Why not stay out of threads like these since they are obviously hard for you to handle constructively.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

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Don't use logical fallacies and you won't get called out.

 

[Aristotelian]

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His point is very, very simple. Let me help you understand it:

The thread exists to provide a place for people (you know, enthusiasts) to come together and try to figure out whether there is something that the 570 failures have in common. If there is such a thing, this might represent a problem that consumers might want to be aware of before buying a card.

If you don't get it, fine, but quit trying to ruin the thread for everyone else.

 

[Wreckage]

If you can't apport something to prove wrong or right the thread and the OP, just don't post at all because you are derailing the thread, attack the message, not the messenger.

I would ask you to do the same. Follow your own advice.

All you do is attack members of this forum and add nothing to a thread. For example.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31240427&postcount=34

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31239233&postcount=27

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31238698&postcount=35

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31233232&postcount=208

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31233229&postcount=30

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31228129&postcount=569

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31227348&postcount=567

That's in less than a week, insulting 4 or 5 different members.

 

[evolucion8]

I would ask you to do the same. Follow your own advice.

All you do is attack members of this forum and add nothing to a thread. For example.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31240427&postcount=34

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31239233&postcount=27

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31238698&postcount=35

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31233232&postcount=208

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31233229&postcount=30

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31228129&postcount=569

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31227348&postcount=567

That's in less than a week, insulting 4 or 5 different members.

Well, if you count yourself as five different members, good. You got mad because I proved you wrong several times and because of that, you lost any credibility here. Everybody is invited here to read my replies there and see that I haven't insulted nobody, and you will see clearly the trolling and derailing posts of those members there, and will simply underscore that they are. Just keep derailing the thread and attacking me directly. I none of my posts says Wreckage right? You have been reported again, keep up with this and you will be banned again, hopefully.

 

[evolucion8]

Is the GTX 570 dying issue related to poor VRM cooling or they simply give up due to higher than spec current draw? The GTX 570/580 series are very notorious in regard of power consumption, they draw power like if there's no tomorrow when overclocked.

 

[notty22]

Only reason I thought this is because someone said this in another thread



And boom 10 minutes later this thread was made.

The one card that didn't have the safety features disabled had to be faulty to begin with or tons more people would be posting dead 570's. If you read the whole theread the op visits many forums rounding up people with fried vrm's. I agree with most of what you say though. I wasn't trying to slam the 6950 flashing. I'm just saying the chances of a 570 frying from heavy overclocking are about the same as a 6950 flash going wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxxxxxxxxx
Someone create a thread informing the community to avoid the GTX 570 as the cards are failing from overclocking



Another member came to this forum, to discuss his 'dead' gtx 570. One of the responses in that thread was not to help, give his hardware condolences, but to suggest this thread. Someone thought that was a great idea, and here we are. Its turned from discussing cool hardware, new stuff, occasionally helping people out , to some imaginary war. And justifications for it.
IMHO