nVidia GTX570s dying from Overclocking??

[thilanliyan]

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/929152-have-you-killed-570-a.html
http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/930387-why-gtx-570s-dying-overclocking.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/308581-33-owners-read-overclocking-deaths-apparent-causes
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4727355#post4727355
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/928291-disabled-power-limit-occt-fried-gtx.html
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/914105-gtx-570-dead.html
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=834394&mpage=1

I haven't really paid much attention to the GTX570 but took a look when one of our forum members posted about a possibly dead twinfrozr GTX570:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2142739

That's a bit worrying if this is really happening from some of those mild overclocks (not all of them are mild obviously).

EDIT:
More posts:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1509917

A bit of discussion here:
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/929152-have-you-killed-570-a.html
And here's a relevant quote from that thread:
"1.1v isn't even that big of an over volt, in the grand scheme of things. GTX 460 HAWK's didn't die like this until you ram 1.2v through them, and the VRM's don't even have cooling. Granted, 4 power phases isn't a whole lot but it should be adequate; what's telling is that the GTX 580's don't have the same issue."

Like he said, I would expect the 580s to have the same problem if it was just a question of the cards being overvolted, but they don't seem to.

 

[Castiel]

Avoid the reference 570's as they have terrible 1 phase power

 

[thilanliyan]

Are there non-reference 570s yet? I figured the twinfrozr would be non-reference but then that guys one died too.

 

[mnewsham]

Are there non-reference 570s yet? I figured the twinfrozr would be non-reference but then that guys one died too.

Gainward/Palit i know for sure isnt.

 

[thilanliyan]

Gainward/Palit i know for sure isnt.

Is or isn't non-reference?

 

[mnewsham]

Is or isn't non-reference?

they are not reference to my knowledge.

 

[footballrunner800]

They seem to be dying from overclocking/overvolting. If you plan to keep them stock they should be fine. Nothing to worry about here.

 

[thilanliyan]

^Realistically, how many people on this forum who buys a card like that would leave it stock? I'm guessing most people who have bought 6XXX and 5XX series cards (and most other mid-range and higher cards) are OCing. I have certainly done it but have it at stock right now to play Mafia 2, which doesn't seem to be that demanding.

 

[ronnn]

^Realistically, how many people on this forum who buys a card like that would leave it stock? I'm guessing most people who have bought 6XXX and 5XX series cards are OCing. I have certainly done it but have it at stock right now to play Mafia 2, which doesn't seem to be that demanding.

I don't oc my 6870, mainly because: around her people suggest ati overclock doesn't make much difference, I generally buy games when they are on sale at steam - so they have been around a while and are well optimized in the drivers. My single monitor is 1080p is not demanding.

The part I don't get is why would they fail with a minor overclock and not be failing at stock? I can't believe tolerances can be that small.

 

[thilanliyan]

^It has been suggested that the power delivery system is not up to scratch to allow for OCing.

 

[load81]

^It has been suggested that the power delivery system is not up to scratch to allow for OCing.

FUD. To kill a 570 from overclocking you need to unlock the voltage limit or disable over current protection. Both void your warranty and most people don't do this anyways. They overclock just fine check out the 570 overclocking thread on overclock net. You can get 200+ core 200+ memory without going over 1.1. Pretty good overclocking if you ask me and not mild. In fact there are some 570's running at 1.2 and 1000+ core that are doing just fine it could be a bad batch of vrm's out there who knows. Far more 6950's died from getting a 10-15% performance boost than 570's from getting a 20% plus boost so don't try deflecting.

 

[Grooveriding]

Far more 6950's died from getting a 10-15% performance boost than 570's from getting a 20% plus boost...

Please advise us all on the data you have this conclusion based on ?

Looks like the GTX 570 is to be avoided! Buyer beware! Doom!

 

[load81]

Bios flash to 6970 is what a 15% increase at most? Check out the 3d11 scores from a stock 570 to an overclocked 570 on overclock net.

 

[Castiel]

Bios flash to 6970 is what a 15% increase at most? Check out the 3d11 scores from a stock 570 to an overclocked 570 on overclock net.

3dmark scores mean jack

 

[load81]

Oh I thought benchmark programs were to test performance sorry. And 3d11 is just one example of the performance gains there are others in the thread.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Bios flash to 6970 is what a 15% increase at most? Check out the 3d11 scores from a stock 570 to an overclocked 570 on overclock net.

That wasn't Grooveriding question.

Grooveriding meant:

1) How do you know how many GTX570 died and how many 6950 died, so you can claim far more 6950 died than GTX570?

2) If so, how do you know those GTX570 died from OC and those 6950 died from unlocking?

3) Can you share your data?

 

[load81]

Im going by the threads people posted just like the op. So far 8 570's died from unlocking saftey features according to Overclock net. Over 20 6950's dead according to TPU. I'm not going to be lynched and nitpicked for doing what others do on these forums. Peace.

 

[Herdo]

FUD. To kill a 570 from overclocking you need to unlock the voltage limit or disable over current protection. Both void your warranty and most people don't do this anyways. They overclock just fine check out the 570 overclocking thread on overclock net. You can get 200+ core 200+ memory without going over 1.1. Pretty good overclocking if you ask me and not mild. In fact there are some 570's running at 1.2 and 1000+ core that are doing just fine it could be a bad batch of vrm's out there who knows. Far more 6950's died from getting a 10-15% performance boost than 570's from getting a 20% plus boost so don't try deflecting.

Thank you! The Twin Frozr guy is me by the way, and I was just thinking the same thing.

My EVGA is clocked at 850/1700/2200 at 1.063v. Twin Frozr died at .975v with same clocks. It came stock at .950v. This is well within the limits that MSI has set in their Afterburner program. If turning up the voltage .025 really is what killed it, then it was just plain faulty, and I'm happy to send it back and get a new one. I would rather find out now.

Although it sucks, I do not blame MSI, as these things happen and I guess its just the luck of the draw.

Andy

 

[cusideabelincoln]

FUD... Far more 6950's died from getting a 10-15% performance boost than 570's from getting a 20% plus boost so don't try deflecting.

First you chastise the idea of spreading FUD and then you go and do it yourself. Ha. The 6900 cards aren't even relevant to the topic at hand. I see what you are doing...

 

[thilanliyan]

FUD. To kill a 570 from overclocking you need to unlock the voltage limit or disable over current protection. Both void your warranty and most people don't do this anyways. They overclock just fine check out the 570 overclocking thread on overclock net. You can get 200+ core 200+ memory without going over 1.1. Pretty good overclocking if you ask me and not mild. In fact there are some 570's running at 1.2 and 1000+ core that are doing just fine it could be a bad batch of vrm's out there who knows. Far more 6950's died from getting a 10-15% performance boost than 570's from getting a 20% plus boost so don't try deflecting.

Those people that posted about dead cards weren't all going overboard with their overclocks. Heck even the AT post I linked to the guy stayed at 0.975v and his died (although what the cause of his one is unknown). It is more information for people with these cards, like the other thread is for people with 6950s.

 

[MrK6]

Im going by the threads people posted just like the op. So far 8 570's died from unlocking saftey features according to Overclock net. Over 20 6950's dead according to TPU. I'm not going to be lynched and nitpicked for doing what others do on these forums. Peace.

Where did it say anywhere that they were "dead" from being overclocked. Here's the article, go quote exactly where it says that: http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159 . All it says is there were 14 (not 20) that had "rendering errors" after being flashed. There's no indication that there was any kind of permanent damage to the cards nor that they were "dead" afterwards. This is also out of almost 500 cards tested, and equates to about a 97% success rate of 6950's being converted into full fledged 6970's with no errors. Nice try in deflecting, but there simply is no comparison to what we have here with the GTX 570.

Once again there is shoddy craftsmanship by NVIDIA (how many people had to bake their 8800's in the oven to bring them back to life?). I would think this would seriously impact the GTX 570's value if they can't even be overclocked. Also, what's not to say that they won't fail sooner even at stock speeds considering how weak the power delivery system is already? I'd stay the heck away from GTX 570's until this is sorted out and check on the GTX 560 Ti's just in case.

 

[load81]

I would think this would seriously impact the GTX 570's value if they can't even be overclocked.

Lol check the 570 overclocking thread they overclock just fine. You have to go out of your way and disable saftey features to blow them up. In fact quite a few people are lying about 570's frying and got caught. The only ones I believe fried are the ones with proof posted. Two cards that were probably faulty to begin with. And I would think a 6950 with rendering errors would be pretty useless.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Get better cooling

 

[Skurge]

I think the most worrying thing is that the same to fail at a number of different clocks and voltages. So it could essentially be a lottery as to whether you get a 570 that wont explode when you overclock it.

With a 6950 at least you know the ram is the only issue and can easily be bypassed by modifying your original 6950 bios.

With these 570s, we still don't know why they failed, but 580s haven't (maybe they cheeped out on the PCB) whether its a bad batch of vrm as load81 says and this will just go away or these vrms are permanently in the system and will continue to be used, or if its cause of the single phase power as Castiel says, the list really goes on. It is a tad worrying as I have personally recommended many 570s over 6970s/560s.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

clocks and voltages.
^ keywords