Nvidia is caught stealing codes from a ReShade Framework Developer

[Maverick177]

https://www.facebook.com/MartyMcModding/posts/1122337964470822

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...el_shaders_stealing_code_from_reshade/d6up8sd

Funny thing about Nvidia Ansel, its postprocess shaders contain code from MasterEffect.
Its custom.fx contains almost 1:1 the colormod pass with my original descriptions. Same for the other files, where many variable names, code, comments and defines match MasterEffect code, also my 1D gausian blur solution, 1:1, just DX11 ported. There may be even more Framework code in it, I just recognized my own code, there might be SweetFX/other code in it as well.
While it's an honour to be apprechiated by such a big company, they could at least drop some credits like we do. Like another ReShade Framework contributor said, "if we would do the same their legal army would crush down on us immediately".

 

[MajinCry]

Appreciated? Nah, stolen from more like.

 

[DamZe]

Lol, if true this is a fail for nVIDIA.

 

[Maverick177]

The 970 Gimp Vram, Gimpworks, Async Compute, DPC latency and now this, wonder what's next.

 

[HiroThreading]

My oh my...

I hope this story is picked up by the likes of Anandtech, Arstechnica and so on.

 

[Erithan13]

I don't see the problem here. Nvidia are a small time company that are desperately short on cash and resources at the moment, why should they be expected to screw their shareholders out of their earnings by paying for software they can acquire for free?

Seems like it's MartyMcflyModding that's in the wrong, classic case of entitlement mentality if I ever saw one.

 

[Maverick177]

I don't see the problem here. Nvidia are a small time company that are desperately short on cash and resources at the moment, why should they be expected to screw their shareholders out of their earnings by paying for software they can acquire for free?

Seems like it's MartyMcflyModding that's in the wrong, classic case of entitlement mentality if I ever saw one.

You tell them gurl. /s

 

[MaxDepth]

So you could say, MartyMcflyModding is throwing shade[rs] at nVidia?


Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week. Try tonight's special and don't forget to tip the staff!

 

[Gikaseixas]

At least give the guy a job

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[Yakk]

I'm expecting more of these types of stories going forward...

 

[Erithan13]

You tell them gurl. /s

Look, I'm just saying how disgusted I am about the slander being directed toward NV in this thread. People who know the history of the company can talk about how NV always promote open standards that benefit the consumer and how they have successfully avoided any instances of lying to customers about the specifications or performance of their products. This sets the sort of precedent whereby NV should be implicitly trusted to act completely honestly in their business dealings.

It is also a fact that criticising Nvidia is by extension attacking the people who use their products so this sort of thread is really not necessary in the slightest.

 

[YBS1]

Guys, guys, settle down.... The green brigade will be along shortly to explain how this is totally beneficial to us, and by us I mean those of us who are nV shareholders.

 

[Maverick177]

Look, I'm just saying how disgusted I am about the slander being directed toward NV in this thread. People who know the history of the company can talk about how NV always promote open standards that benefit the consumer and how they have successfully avoided any instances of lying to customers about the specifications or performance of their products. This sets the sort of precedent whereby NV should be implicitly trusted to act completely honestly in their business dealings.

It is also a fact that criticising Nvidia is by extension attacking the people who use their products so this sort of thread is really not necessary in the slightest.

For the last decade, Nvidia is anything but open standard.

 

[YBS1]

Right over his head.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

Look, I'm just saying how disgusted I am about the slander being directed toward NV in this thread. People who know the history of the company can talk about how NV always promote open standards that benefit the consumer and how they have successfully avoided any instances of lying to customers about the specifications or performance of their products. This sets the sort of precedent whereby NV should be implicitly trusted to act completely honestly in their business dealings.

It is also a fact that criticising Nvidia is by extension attacking the people who use their products so this sort of thread is really not necessary in the slightest.

The sarcasm here is a thing of beauty.

 

[krumme]

Who cares? i buy gfx that suits my self best

Edit: / sarcasm

 

[Erenhardt]

Oh wow. Some say company ethics are not important. And that comes from a patent troll such as nvidia....

I guess the good news is it may be not exclusive to nv kepler+ GPUs.

Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week.

I wouldn't be so sure

 

[Maverick177]

Right over his head.

I got 2 infractions for sarcasm, so I avoid posting in a similar tone.

Who cares? i buy gfx that suits my self best

Well if you think scummy practices like this suit you best.....

 

[linkgoron]

Well, it looks like Ansel code has made its way into The Witcher 3 and Mirror's Edge: Catalyst. Assuming that the accusations are true, it does look like it's a violation of their license "Commercial distribution of software as part of the games without author permission prohibited".

Either way, I would also consider Ansel itself as commercial as it is Nvidia proprietary software, but I'm not sure how those things work out. Their license explicitly prohibits games, and only requires credit or something similar from other types of software.

The license:

You may use and distribute software in commercial or non-commercial uses. For commercial use it is required to warn about using this software (in credits, on the box or other places). Commercial distribution of software as part of the games without author permission prohibited.

 

[Erithan13]

I got 2 infractions for sarcasm, so I avoid posting in a similar tone.

I'll be serious from now on, promise

There is going to be a lot to talk about here. That's why I'm hoping we do not get the sort of posts which try to stall the discussion by implying that:

1) Criticism of Nvidia is the same as criticising people who buy their products, ie we get strawmen about 'are you saying people who buy NV are idiots?' (seen it here previously)
2) Nvidia's financial and business success has any bearing on things beyond my argument that they can hardly be said to be tight for money at the moment. Again, I've seen this used as some sort of argument that they can't be doing any wrong since they are successful.
3) Anyone who is criticising Nvidia is only doing so out of loyalty to AMD, so every thread like this has a countdown until someone starts deflecting by bringing up 'AMD are no better/did something similar once'.

I'd also wager we get some form of personal or other attack against MMM who originated this claim, if there is evidence he is not being truthful then of course that should be brought up, but I'd like to pre-empt anyone going down the 'he's just a small developer/modder so who cares' or the even more nefarious 'he should be grateful Nvidia took his code' etc. I'd be very happy if him and NV could come to an understanding/agreement over this and he could get compensation/credit etc. Sometimes innocent mistakes can happen that look like something much worse at first glance. We'll have to see.

 

[Phynaz]

It looks like Nvidia's use would be fine as long as attribution is given - has anyone looked at the Ansel documentation? On the other hand the game developers that used it could have an issue.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

Pretty shady practice.

Wait, if I say that I have an Nvidia card and I don't approve of these kinds of code rips does that make me a hypocrite? Or do I need to be a pro-AMD user who temporarily uses a Nvidia card until Vega comes to have an opinion?

Oh wait, do I need to have FIRST owned AMD/ATI card, moved to Nvidia but reject them for the antichrist they are, bought a 7970 and complain about every Nvidia graphics release since on any thread I can? Then my opinion is valid right?

What does it matter what you own or who you support, no one cares anyways. Stealing code is just that and its wrong. Brand pride is dumb and you should feel dumb if you're that engrossed by it.

 

[DamZe]

As an nVIDIA user if this pans out to be true, then I am fully against it, and I am open minded enough to be critical of the products/practice of said company.

 

[Kenmitch]

Not really cool of them if it's true. They hyped it up so much during the presentation!

I have a 1070 but don't really plan on using Ansel anyways. In no way is this denial or a defensive statement.

 

[Erithan13]

Thinking about it, I'm not so ready to jump on NV, since I could see how this could happen accidentally. Software development is one complicated field and I've never been one to underestimate the ability of people to make mistakes and oversights. So if we have some open source code that made its way to somewhere it shouldn't, was this due to ignorance or malevolence?

You could still argue it's wrong even if it was accidental, but being reasonable there is a world of difference between 'whoops we honestly didn't mean this, someone screwed up sourcing the code and we didn't catch it' or the other extreme of 'we'll just take this code and hope nobody notices even though we know we shouldn't'. I assume we'll get some sort of response from NV which will in itself probably tell us something about what sort of situation we're dealing with. Maybe someone in all honesty thought they could use the code without accreditation etc and now they (and others I hope) will know differently for the future.

I wouldn't be willing to cut NV any slack if there was deception involved though. I'll withhold further judgement for now until the facts become clear.