Nvidia is lame.

[navecko]

It really sucks that G71 will only have 24 pipes. And 1600mhz ram. WTF, the 512 gtx ram did 1700mhz. Are we regressing in time?? I bought two 256mb 7800 gtx's from evga about a month ago because they have this step-up program that allows you to trade in your cards and pay the differance to get newer/faster ones that come out with in 90 days. I was assuming g71 would get more pipes because they are shrinking to 90nm. I run my current gtx's at 510/1440 and have been dissatisfied since i bought them. I can only run fear at 1600x1200 with no AA (see foot note). Quake 4 can do 2048x1536 but still no AA. I get ~8000 in 3dmark 06. This might sound a little extremist but I spent $980 on two cards. I expected more. If I had only spend $200 on a 6800GS I would have been happy with 800x600. So on march 9th, I will trade in my current cards to evga and get two 7900's. It will only gain me 140mhz core and 160mhz ram. Granted the 7900's will only be $499 and my current gtx's were $450 so I will only pay $100 to upgrade both cards but I really feel that If a person is going to drop $1000 on graphics for their computer, they should at liest be able to get 2048x1536 4xAA on games that came out four months ago! Anyone agree or disagree??

*foot note: The new directx and fourceware pathces allow softshadows and AA together. I only get 28fps minimum in fear time demo @ 1600x1200 2xAA softshadows enabled.

 

[BlacKJesuS]

Dont spend the money....research first...simple as that

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: navecko
It really sucks that G71 will only have 24 pipes. And 1600mhz ram. WTF, the 512 gtx ram did 1700mhz. Are we regressing in time?? I bought two 256mb 7800 gtx's from evga about a month ago because they have this step-up program that allows you to trade in your cards and pay the differance to get newer/faster ones that come out with in 90 days. I was assuming g71 would get more pipes because they are shrinking to 90nm. I run my current gtx's at 510/1440 and have been dissatisfied since i bought them. I can only run fear at 1600x1200 with no AA (see foot note). Quake 4 can do 2048x1536 but still no AA. I get ~8000 in 3dmark 06. This might sound a little extremist but I spent $980 on two cards. I expected more. If I had only spend $200 on a 6800GS I would have been happy with 800x600. So on march 9th, I will trade in my current cards to evga and get two 7900's. It will only gain me 140mhz core and 160mhz ram. Granted the 7900's will only be $499 and my current gtx's were $450 so I will only pay $100 to upgrade both cards but I really feel that If a person is going to drop $1000 on graphics for their computer, they should at liest be able to get 2048x1536 4xAA on games that came out four months ago! Anyone agree or disagree??

*foot note: The new directx and fourceware pathces allow softshadows and AA together. I only get 28fps minimum in fear time demo @ 1600x1200 2xAA softshadows enabled.

Yeah man I spent 600 on my GTX when they first came out and I'm not too happy with its performance either

 

[dragonic]

When has it been confirmed that G71 will only have 24 pipelines? We have only heard rumours so wait until the product is released before you start bashing it

 

[gsellis]

You folks are being silly. Do not blame nVidia or ATI for this failure. You need to blame yourselves and the game mfgrs. You are complaining that you have quadrupled, or more, your graphics requirements and you cannot get good performance out of the high dollar cards. In the mean time, they have only doubled their performance over the same period of time. Let's not put unrealistic expectations on them. In some of the games, 1600x1200 with all of the eye candy is less than 30fps on almost all of the cards. It is going to take another year to get past that. It is unrealistic to expect performance to double every 6 mths.

The 7800GTX is a great card. Nope, the 7900 is not twice as powerful, which is no shock. And, ATI may have to drop on it this time. So. Give it 6 mths and it will change again. BUT, it will not be 4 times better.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: navecko
It really sucks that G71 will only have 24 pipes. And 1600mhz ram. WTF, the 512 gtx ram did 1700mhz. Are we regressing in time?? I bought two 256mb 7800 gtx's from evga about a month ago because they have this step-up program that allows you to trade in your cards and pay the differance to get newer/faster ones that come out with in 90 days. I was assuming g71 would get more pipes because they are shrinking to 90nm. I run my current gtx's at 510/1440 and have been dissatisfied since i bought them. I can only run fear at 1600x1200 with no AA (see foot note). Quake 4 can do 2048x1536 but still no AA. I get ~8000 in 3dmark 06. This might sound a little extremist but I spent $980 on two cards. I expected more. If I had only spend $200 on a 6800GS I would have been happy with 800x600. So on march 9th, I will trade in my current cards to evga and get two 7900's. It will only gain me 140mhz core and 160mhz ram. Granted the 7900's will only be $499 and my current gtx's were $450 so I will only pay $100 to upgrade both cards but I really feel that If a person is going to drop $1000 on graphics for their computer, they should at liest be able to get 2048x1536 4xAA on games that came out four months ago! Anyone agree or disagree??

*foot note: The new directx and fourceware pathces allow softshadows and AA together. I only get 28fps minimum in fear time demo @ 1600x1200 2xAA softshadows enabled.

I spent $1200 on two GTX's last summer, and I was pleased with their performance. There was nothing that could touch my rig for 6 months.

Is there anything from ATI, Matrox, or XGI that would perform any better for the money? If so, why didn't you buy that?

My advice, disable soft shadows and quit yer bitching.

 

[GTaudiophile]

More 7900GT/X rumors from theInq:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29871

 

[Creig]

Until we can see some actual, independent benches, take all the G71 info currently out there with a grain of salt.

 

[jayanath]

ok 7900 is going to be way more powerful than the x1900xtx.. y would nvidia release a weaker card to match with the x1900xt

 

[Bobthelost]

If they don't have a card that can beat it then they'd still release a card that can come closer to it. After all if you had a choice between crossfire and a slightly slower SLI then you'd have to consider the SLI just becasuse it's more tried and tested.

 

[BassBomb]

buy GPU's during architecture revamps.... not refreshes

that way you wont be dissapointed in speed

 

[yacoub]

So to summarize the topic post, Original Poster bought a pair of cards anticipating future cards that he could 'Step Up' to. That's just a little silly as the sole reason for an "NVidia is lame" rant. Not to mention isn't the Step Up program specific to one vendor and not an NVidia offer anyway?

Generally people buy cards based on their performance and use, not based on what they can replace them with as soon as possible, especially high-end cards (aside from the obvious such as slot-type (AGP/PCI-E) but that's a motherboard consideration, not a GPU consideration).

I can see a legitimate gripe that you might not have the G80 come out before your 'Step Up' runs out, but did you ever consider that the company who provided that 'Step Up' program knew very well the estimated timeline of the next GPU series release and made sure that the Step Up program lasts long enough to allow you to Step Up to a 7900 series card (a refresh of the 7800 series you have) but not long enough to Step Up to the new G80 cores when they come out because that would be very costly for them to allow buyers to Step UP to a completely new GPU? Imagine how costly it would be for them to essentially give you a brand new G80 card for $50 or $100, especially when the cards you'd be trading in would at that point be out of production and of little value even as refurbs. Such a program could put them out of business! That is why their marketing dept created this program as a one-time option and ensured it would be useful - lasting to the G71 refresh - but not punishing to their business model by allowing the offer to last from the G70 series to the G80 series.

So I would say you should still consider making use of the program if you can since you ARE still getting a darn good deal to only pay $50-100 to jump up to the latest GPUs, as they will still be the latest and greatest and should offer some performance benefit over your existing setup.

 

[RobertR1]

Just wait and see some official benchmarks. Oh and turn off softshadows, they're ugly anyway. If you're still not happy with the 7900 after the benchmarks, use the step up programs to get the 7900's and then sell them without ever opening the box and get the x1900xt and crossfire. That should solve your FEAR issues.

 

[Avalon]

Turn off soft shadows. They look like garbage. You'll get better framerate that way.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Anyways, the MSRP of the 7900GT according to INQ is $299 :Q

 

[beggerking]

if 7900 really comes out to be 24pipes, then I'd have to agree with the op..
They had planty of time yet they didn't do anything other than die shrink..

I'm still expecting a 32pipe gtx and 24pipe gt though. In that case, it'd be a monster.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyways, the MSRP of the 7900GT according to INQ is $299 :Q

$299 would be really really nice! 7800GT will then drop to $199

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyways, the MSRP of the 7900GT according to INQ is $299 :Q

$299 would be really really nice! 7800GT will then drop to $199

Exactly why I can't figure out why people are jumping on these 7800GT's for $240-260, March 9th is only a few weeks away. It's probably going to be worth the 2 week wait.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The life of all 7800GT/7800GTX/7800GTX 512mb are all ended if you guys didnt know. The prices of those cards are dropping right now. But, does this mean the GTX will cost $399?

 

[Powermoloch]

you're just being spoiled

 

[SickBeast]

What does EVGA do with all the used cards that have been "stepped up"? Do they sell them as refurbished? It sounds like they must lose money when people step up high-end cards.

 

[hughest]

What does EVGA do with all the used cards that have been "stepped up"? Do they sell them as refurbished? It sounds like they must lose money when people step up high-end cards.

They probably do sell them as refurbished. This doesn't mean they lose money though. If the card only costs them, say $200 and they can sell new ones for $400 and refurbished ones for $300, then they are still doing well and offering a service that noone else does for their customers.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Anyways, the MSRP of the 7900GT according to INQ is $299 :Q

$299 would be really really nice! 7800GT will then drop to $199

They're going out of production. Remaining supplies might eventually reach the $200 mark but it's not like they're going to purposely mark them down that low and continue making them at a loss.

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What does EVGA do with all the used cards that have been "stepped up"? Do they sell them as refurbished? It sounds like they must lose money when people step up high-end cards.

Probably as warranty replacements. Or they crush them and claim the loss at full retail cost at tax time

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: jayanath
ok 7900 is going to be way more powerful than the x1900xtx.. y would nvidia release a weaker card to match with the x1900xt

The 7900 is basically a the 90 nm revision of the 7800 GTX 512, which was a paper launched (only very few avaialble and priced close to $1000!). Now it will be widely avaialble and prices should be reasonable - only slightly more than the 7800 GTX 256.

But regarding performance crown, it's still the same as the 7800 GTX 512, so it's no faster than a X1900 XTX. Again, it looks like the 7900 GTX is just the real launch of the 7800 GTX 512 paper launch.