Nvidia Just Released a New Card: Titan Xp -- Full 3840 Cuda Cores Chip for $1200 --Yes for Real!

[DooKey]

Funny I've heard nothing but "Nvidia has no competition in the high end" for at least a year now on these boards.

What does that mean? Just because no one decides to compete doesn't mean they are a monopoly. You know better than that. Don't be one of those......

 

[unseenmorbidity]

What does that mean? Just because no one decides to compete doesn't mean they are a monopoly. You know better than that. Don't be one of those......

You apparently need this, so I will drop this here.

mo·nop·o·ly
[məˈnäpəlē]
NOUN

1. the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service:
   "his likely motive was to protect his regional monopoly on furs"

Take not of the the example, as the definition does not require universal control.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Comments like this are baffling. Do you really believe this?

That being superior to your competitor is a monopoly?

Sad.

I am not a selfish, ignorant fanboy, so I don't have a side. I don't look at this as red vs blue or red vs green. I am only interested in what is good for the market and public in general.

You also might want to check out the definition of monopoly that I posed above.

So, I ask again. What part of Nvidia's business model do you find to be "Crazy Good"? Is it the process of building of a monopoly, or the fact they keep raising prices as they build it?

What did Nvidia do to deserve your undying loyalty? Because from where I am sitting, it looks like you are helping them slit your own throat.

 

[Bouowmx]

I sense a thread derailment

 

[moonbogg]

It would be nice to have a full chip, but at $500 extra I won't exactly cry about it.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Even Jayztwocents, who is sponsored by Nvidia, and is kind of a fanboy of Nvidia has had enough of this.

 

[ddogg]

I am not a selfish, ignorant fanboy, so I don't have a side. I don't look at this as red vs blue or red vs green. I am only interested in what is good for the market and public in general.

You also might want to check out the definition of monopoly that I posed above.

So, I ask again. What part of Nvidia's business model do you find to be "Crazy Good"? Is it the process of building of a monopoly, or the fact they keep raising prices as they build it?

What did Nvidia do to deserve your undying loyalty? Because from where I am sitting, it looks like you are helping them slit your own throat.

I think he was referring to how they are able to flawlessly execute a release year after year. AMD unfortunately is not able to do this and even when they have had good products it's been after a Nvidia release.

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[Carfax83]

Take not of the the example, as the definition does not require universal control.

"Exclusive" is the next best thing to universal:

exclusive

[ik-skloo-siv, -ziv]

noting that in which no others have a share

single or sole

So for NVidia to be considered a monopoly, it would need to have exclusive control over the GPU market; which it obviously does not. NVidia is just damned good at not only making products, but marketing them. When I was woke up this morning, I had no idea that I would be buying a $1200 Titan Xp. My original plan was to buy an aftermarket GTX 1080 Ti and sell my current GTX 1080. But getting one of those damn things is so hard (it sells out so fast), combined with the fact that I've always wanted to own a Titan, made me decide to purchase the Titan Xp.

And that this version isn't cut down makes it worth it. When I get ready to sell it, I should be able to recover at least 75% of it's original cost I wager.

 

[moonbogg]

"Exclusive" is the next best thing to universal:



So for NVidia to be considered a monopoly, it would need to have exclusive control over the GPU market; which it obviously does not. NVidia is just damned good at not only making products, but marketing them. When I was woke up this morning, I had no idea that I would be buying a $1200 Titan Xp. My original plan was to buy an aftermarket GTX 1080 Ti and sell my current GTX 1080. But getting one of those damn things is so hard (it sells out so fast), combined with the fact that I've always wanted to own a Titan, made me decide to purchase the Titan Xp.

And that this version isn't cut down makes it worth it. When I get ready to sell it, I should be able to recover at least 75% of it's original cost I wager.

I'd wager that next year there will be a $400 Volta that's just as fast.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'd wager that next year there will be a $400 Volta that's just as fast.

Probably.

 

[pj-]

Obsolete.

I'm shocked it took almost 50 posts for someone to hit that softball I tossed up

 

[raghu78]

As good as Nvidia are executing I can only say that people who say AMD is not weak are just delusional. AMD has had the most difficult part in its 47 year history in the past few years from a financial standpoint. From 2012 onwards their revenues fell sharply and losses mounted as Bulldozer simply destroyed AMD in all segments of the PC market. This has led to severe cuts to R&D which has clearly hurt the GPU division. Zen should allow AMD to take market share in servers & PCs and bring some crucially needed cash flow and profits. We will see the improved profits help AMD to better fund their R&D pipeline. Vega is all about closing the competitive gap with Nvidia which got really bad at Maxwell and still remained at Pascal. Hopefully AMD will be able to bring competitive architectures and full line up of products competing aggressively at all price points at the same time as Nvdia. AMD needs to go back to what they did well during the HD 4000 and HD 5000 series. Design highly efficient and extremely competitive products and launch them at the same time as competition or earlier while pricing them aggressively to get much higher market share than they have today. Zen is a good example as its a decent start towards recovery. Vega should achieve something similar for the GPU division. I think its possible in a couple of generations we will see very close competition and Nvidia will not be able to sell products at prices they want but rather what the competition allows them to. Right now there is no such competition.

 

[raghu78]

" When I get ready to sell it, I should be able to recover at least 75% of it's original cost I wager.

75% of USD 1200 is USD 900. I doubt you are going to get that much money. If Vega sucks and you sell well before GV104 launches maybe but still highly unlikely for you to get USD 900.

The beauty of Nvidia's marketing is they have been slowly reducing the differentitation between Titan and the Ti while still increasing the price

Original Titan - had double precision performance and double VRAM which was useful for professionals who were enthusiast gamers. USD 1000
Maxwell Titan - twice the VRAM of 980 Ti. USD 1000
Pascal Titan - Freaking nothing except they sell you a fully enabled chip. USD 1200

This is possible because there are people willing to pay ever more increasing amounts of money for what is essentially an extremely short life entertainment product and whats worse these people are now resembling more like a cult following.

 

[Carfax83]

I'd wager that next year there will be a $400 Volta that's just as fast.

That's the way it should be. Progress is unceasing. Big GV104 should be about as fast as the Titan Xp I wager, or maybe even faster. But it won't cost $400. More like $600.

 

[Carfax83]

As good as Nvidia are executing I can only say that people who say AMD is not weak are just delusional. AMD has had the most difficult part in its 47 year history in the past few years from a financial standpoint. From 2012 onwards their revenues fell sharply and losses mounted as Bulldozer simply destroyed AMD in all segments of the PC market. This has led to severe cuts to R&D which has clearly hurt the GPU division. Zen should allow AMD to take market share in servers & PCs and bring some crucially needed cash flow and profits. We will see the improved profits help AMD to better fund their R&D pipeline. Vega is all about closing the competitive gap with Nvidia which got really bad at Maxwell and still remained at Pascal. Hopefully AMD will be able to bring competitive architectures and full line up of products competing aggressively at all price points at the same time as Nvdia. AMD needs to go back to what they did well during the HD 4000 and HD 5000 series. Design highly efficient and extremely competitive products and launch them at the same time as competition or earlier while pricing them aggressively to get much higher market share than they have today. Zen is a good example as its a decent start towards recovery. Vega should achieve something similar for the GPU division. I think its possible in a couple of generations we will see very close competition and Nvidia will not be able to sell products at prices they want but rather what the competition allows them to. Right now there is no such competition.

One of the few times I actually agree with raghu78!

 

[Carfax83]

75% of 1200 is USD 900. I doubt you are going to get that much money. If Vega sucks and you sell well before GV104 launches maybe but still highly unlikely for you to get USD 900.

Titan Xs hold their value really well, because they are a true halo card. The Titan Xp even more, because it isn't cut down at all. Maybe $900 is a tad unrealistic, but I'm going to recover most of my money for sure.

Original Titan - had double precision performance which was useful for professionals who were enthusiast gamers. USD 1000
Maxwell Titan - twice the VRAM of 980 Ti. USD 1000
Pascal Titan - Freaking nothing except they sell you a fully enabled chip. USD 1200

I kinda have to say that the original Titan XP owners got screwed over a bit on this one. But hey, that's progress. This new Titan Xp should be around 10-15% faster than the old one, a slight but noticeable bump.

This is possible because there are people willing to pay ever more increasing amounts of money for what is essentially an extremely short life entertainment product and whats worse these people are now resembling more like a cult following.

You just had to go and get all nasty

 

[raghu78]

You just had to go and get all nasty

Does the truth hurt you ?

 

[Insomniator]

So many people on this board bitch and moan about cards they can't afford/will never purchase. Who cares if NV releases another card for $1800 tomorrow. They are the only option north of 200 bucks these days.

The people buying these $1200 cards are like a cult, and are not getting good value for their money. Nerds will throw any amount of money for the halo products, doesn't have any effect on me being happy with a $300 1070.

If 1080TI or old Titan owners are mad then... I'm sorry? You spent ~$1000 on a video card... I would hope/think you can still pay rent.

 

[Bacon1]

My original plan was to buy an aftermarket GTX 1080 Ti and sell my current GTX 1080. But getting one of those damn things is so hard (it sells out so fast), combined with the fact that I've always wanted to own a Titan, made me decide to purchase the Titan Xp.

Wow amazing how good their marketing is. You are willing to buy a what, 5% faster GPU for almost 2x the money. Not to mention it is going to be loud and hot since its reference cooler.

Even if you sold it for $900, that is $300 lost. Do you think you wouldn't be able to sell a 1080 Ti for over $400?

 

[Carfax83]

Does the truth hurt you ?

You call that truth? It sounds more envious than anything. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round. Some have more money than sense, and some have more sense than money. And then others just want to buy what they want to buy. Why should you judge them, and why do you even care?

These same people that you call cult like, are largely responsible for the PC gaming market being as robust as it is. If AMD could compete worth a damn, then NVidia wouldn't be able to charge these prices and get away with it. Which is why Vega is so important. If Vega doesn't perform at least as well as the GTX 1080 Ti, then they will likely never be able to catch up to NVidia again; at least for the foreseeable future.

 

[Carfax83]

Wow amazing how good their marketing is. You are willing to buy a what, 5% faster GPU for almost 2x the money. Not to mention it is going to be loud and hot since its reference cooler.

Judging by the specs, it should be around 10-15% faster than the GTX 1080 Ti stock for stock. And while I agree that it being restricted to the reference cooler is a negative, the reference cooler still doesn't limit overclockability. These GPUs are limited more by their TDP than by their cooling after all.

The main reason why the aftermarket GPUs outperform the reference clocked GPUs is because they can maintain their boost clocks much better using the stock fan profiles. But the reference clocked GPUs can do it as well, just at the expense of some increase fan speed. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how well the Titan Xp performs in my case. I have a 120mm fan pointing directly towards the fan from the bottom of my case, plus a bigger 250mm one from the side so that should help a lot I think.

Even if you sold it for $900, that is $300 lost. Do you think you wouldn't be able to sell a 1080 Ti for over $400?

I figure I will get about $500 even for my GTX 1080, so I'm actually paying $700 for my card. Then I have a Zotac Amp Extreme GTX 980 Ti I could also sell, for about $300. That's almost the entire cost of the Titan Xp right there.

But even if I didn't have this excess hardware to help pay for it, the cool factor of owning the fastest consumer GPU in the world is awesome. I wouldn't buy it if I couldn't afford it. I've spent more money on things that wouldn't bring me even a quarter of the excitement that this GPU will bring.

Besides, you guys should know by now that arguing with hardware enthusiasts about how much money they are spending is pointless. Value for my dollar isn't even a concern. If it was, then I'd be buying a GTX 1060 or something.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Does the truth hurt you ?

Don't confuse your opinion for objective truth.

Some people just want the best gaming experience money can buy. Nothing cultish about wanting the best.

Unless of course you think anybody who buys nice stuff is a brain-dead cult member? Let's just say there's stuff out there that's way more expensive than a $1200 graphics card, some of it good (like nice cars, jewelry, houses, etc.) and some of it not so good like a smoking/drinking habit.

 

[raghu78]

You call that truth? It sounds more envious than anything. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round. Some have more money than sense, and some have more sense than money. And then others just want to buy what they want to buy. Why should you judge them, and why do you even care?

These same people that you call cult like, are largely responsible for the PC gaming market being as robust as it is. If AMD could compete worth a damn, then NVidia wouldn't be able to charge these prices and get away with it. Which is why Vega is so important. If Vega doesn't perform at least as well as the GTX 1080 Ti, then they will likely never be able to catch up to NVidia again; at least for the foreseeable future.

I have been following the PC industry for more than 2 decades back from the days of the Pentium and even before Riva TNT and when 3dfx had the best 3D accelerators . I doubt many people even know of that GPU.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/197/5

Most people who spend hours supporting or defending Nvidia are probably younger than that. Enthusiast GPUs sold back in the Radeon 9700 Pro days too but at much more reasonable prices like USD 399.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970

Prices started creeping up and it got a bit one sided with Geforce GTX 8800 generation with the 8800 Ultra sold at USD 830.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2222

Things turned out very well once AMD was back with HD 4000 series / HD 5000 series and the HD 4870 at USD 300 and HD 5870 at USD 400 were damn good GPUs sold at reasonable prices. GTX 580 at USD 500 was still a very good GPU at a price which was well in line with historical trends. Prices again started creeping up with the HD 7970/GTX 680. But it got downright stupid with the Titan and after that Nvidia have pretty much perfected the art of selling a flagship GPU for short periods of time. Whats worse the buying crowd has just kept up with this nonsense and started buying and reselling GPUs for periods as short as 4-6 months. This is a trend which I want to see broken. Hopefully we see a return to competition from AMD in future generations which prohibits such ridiculous pricing but I don't like the concept of either company pushing prices higher and higher. If sometime in the future AMD is in Nvidia's position and does the same I would say the same. But still I think the consumer has a big role in allowing such ridiculous pricing and marketing strategies to prosper. btw just a joke it might take all types of people to make the world go around but it sure does take the human species to screw up this beautiful planet Earth that is our home in the universe .

http://www.sciencealert.com/humanit...-years-left-on-earth-stephen-hawking-predicts

 

[Bouowmx]

That's the way it should be. Progress is unceasing. Big GV104 should be about as fast as the Titan Xp I wager, or maybe even faster. But it won't cost $400. More like $600.

NVIDIA Volta 600 USD matches (closely) GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (700 USD)? Pretty poor improvement.

GeForce GTX 970 (330 USD) matches 780 Ti (700 USD), and GeForce GTX 1070 (380 or 350 USD) matches 980 Ti (650 USD).

 

[raghu78]

Don't confuse your opinion for objective truth.

Some people just want the best gaming experience money can buy. Nothing cultish about wanting the best.

Unless of course you think anybody who buys nice stuff is a brain-dead cult member? Let's just say there's stuff out there that's way more expensive than a $1200 graphics card, some of it good (like nice cars, jewelry, houses, etc.) and some of it not so good like a smoking/drinking habit.

Sorry but those comparisons are totally illogical. The depreciation of a high technology PC product is so bad and so rapid that it cannot be compared to buying a house or gold. In fact in most cases or atleast many parts of the world these actually increase in value as time goes by. Even cars don't depreciate as rapidly as PC tech.