Nvidia Kepler Yields Lower Than Expected –CEO. Fermi 2.0?

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exar333

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April would be a good time for NV to release, if they are able. Lots of new builds with IB releasing around the same time.
 

exar333

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I think once we see shortages and price-cuts on existing 570s and 580s, that will signal that Kepler is getting close. My gut is that 30-45 days after we see these activities, Kepler will be out.
 

railven

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April would be a good time for NV to release, if they are able. Lots of new builds with IB releasing around the same time.

This is true. I know I'm still holding off to upgrade (fell fighting it) for Ivy Bridge. And once I get my new platform the GF is getting my 930+X58 configuration, and with that - a new card.
 

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I'm waiting for April to make a move as well. It just makes sense to upgrade everything at once. Assuming some people are in the same situation and waiting for IB anyway, it might not be too bad for Nvidia to release in April. Of course, if April isn't the release date for GK, people aren't to wait indefinitely!
 

railven

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I'm waiting for April to make a move as well. It just makes sense to upgrade everything at once. Assuming some people are in the same situation and waiting for IB anyway, it might not be too bad for Nvidia to release in April. Of course, if April isn't the release date for GK, people aren't to wait indefinitely!

Exactly. If I can hold off upgrading my system (since of course usually buying bundles includes savings) until April I will. And if Kepler is out by then, power to them.

But if they miss that boat, some people won't wait longer. I know I won't, and whatever is on the market I will buy.
 

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April would be a good time for NV to release, if they are able. Lots of new builds with IB releasing around the same time.

Isn't the majority of IV delayed until June/July or something? And I also doubt there will be a huge influx of new customers over that anyways. So I doubt an April release would or wouldn't make a huge difference. (Unless you count us as being alot of new builds on intels 'the customers we really care about' chart :\)
 
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railven

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Isn't the majority of IV delayed until June/July or something? And I also doubt there will be a huge influx of new customers over that anyways. So I doubt an April release wouldn't make a huge difference or not. (Unless you count us as being alot of new builds on intels 'the customers we really care about chart' chart :\)

Damn I need to make more time for rummaging tech sites. Any source for this or just forum banter?

This could change me waiting and just buying a i5 2500k this week. If the HD 7950 OCing numbers are good, might just say screw it and get the whole build this week.
 

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Intel is only delaying dual core mobile Ivy Bridge CPUs

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-i...bile-ivy-bridge-cpus/14933.html#ixzz1mweXRFkT

Thanks for the sources guys, but reading from Toyota's article this confuses me:

As far as the mobile Core i3's are concerned, it looks like we have to hold on until sometime in August or September before these models land. Sadly we can't offer a specific launch window for the desktop Core i3's as yet, but judging by the information we've seen, Intel will be releasing new models at an even pace throughout the year with some quad core desktop Core i5 models arriving in Q3. For what it's worth it looks like Ivy Bridge will be a drawn out launch with Intel replacing Sandy Bridge model as and when the company and its partners have depleted their stock.

The i5 is the tier I'm looking at, and I note this says "some" in Q3. But, that doesn't make me confident the model I'd want would be available in April.
 

exar333

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Good if thats all then!

Yeah, performance Desktop CPUs should ship on-time. As other linked-to, lower-tier and mobile CPUs may be slightly delayed into May/June.

If NV misses April/May, that will be a pretty sizable opportunity cost they give-up as folks choose 78xx and 79xx AMD parts instead.
 

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Yeah, performance Desktop CPUs should ship on-time. As other linked-to, lower-tier and mobile CPUs may be slightly delayed into May/June.

If NV misses April/May, that will be a pretty sizable opportunity cost they give-up as folks choose 78xx and 79xx AMD parts instead.

Well considering people who might drop $300+ on a GPU are the people who are going to want to buy the IBs that ship, they could do with timing to hit that market.
 

3DVagabond

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April would be a good time for NV to release, if they are able. Lots of new builds with IB releasing around the same time.

Last month would have been a good time. As of now, the sooner the better. It's never good to be later than your competition to market. The later you are the worse it is.
 

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Last month would have been a good time. As of now, the sooner the better. It's never good to be later than your competition to market. The later you are the worse it is.

I wouldn't be so sure. Though not to the same extent, Nvidia has a cult following just like Apple. Plenty of people out there are willing to wait however long it takes for them to release new products, even if they are way later and slower than the competition.
 

Ajay

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I wouldn't be so sure. Though not to the same extent, Nvidia has a cult following just like Apple. Plenty of people out there are willing to wait however long it takes for them to release new products, even if they are way later and slower than the competition.

I like NV because I'm used to their products/drivers/software. However, if the 78XX series are really good, I could jump ship - since NVs yields are so low that they need more wafers to launch Kepler. Seems like AMD is steaming a head just fine. I'm just looking for GTX580 performance for ~$300. If I can't get that through NV or AMD, I'll just have to wait till prices come down.
 

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I wouldn't be so sure. Though not to the same extent, Nvidia has a cult following just like Apple. Plenty of people out there are willing to wait however long it takes for them to release new products, even if they are way later and slower than the competition.

OEM's can't just sit around and sell nothing though. They want the latest for their customers. They want the most performance for the lowest overall cost. Likely why the 7700's came out before the 7800's. Better perf/W is a big win in the OEM market. This is costing nVidia revenue (Or gaining AMD revenue, depending on your POV.)

It sounds like nVidia is releasing the GTX-460 equivalent first. If the GK104 is as good of a card overall as the 460 was, it could make them a sizable amount of money. Especially if they can sell it for $100 more than the 460 debut. I don't think we're going to see a price war anytime soon. Why would nVidia sell the GK104 any cheaper than they have to? It's not looking like they are going to have anything else to bring in the cash any time soon. At least in the consumer graphics market. Between the 7900 and the GK104, stick a fork in the GF110 (580/570/560ti 448). We might see good deals on the 560ti though.
 

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exar333

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Last month would have been a good time. As of now, the sooner the better. It's never good to be later than your competition to market. The later you are the worse it is.

Maybe I should clarify. I wasn't saying April was the THE best time release, more that they should release by that timeframe or face losing-out on a big upgrade cycle that will be hitting this year. With AMD out of the Desktop CPU performance market (essentially) IB will be THE biggest upgrade cycle for mid to high-end PCs in 2012. With February 2/3 gone, it doesn't seem likely NV would launch anything in early March either. That leaves late March/April timeframe as really the soonest you could expect parts to hit the retail channels. Even that is pretty optimistic.

If NV doesn't ship until May or later, they will lose-out on a great opportunity for folks that are getting new CPU/GPU re-builds. Unfortunately, we are back to a time in PCs where your GPU is 2x your CPU/MB investment for most people. Those that get a nice 2500K/MB combo at MC for ~$250 then chalk-up $400-500 for a mid to high-end GPU. :/
 

3DVagabond

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Maybe I should clarify. I wasn't saying April was the THE best time release, more that they should release by that timeframe or face losing-out on a big upgrade cycle that will be hitting this year. With AMD out of the Desktop CPU performance market (essentially) IB will be THE biggest upgrade cycle for mid to high-end PCs in 2012. With February 2/3 gone, it doesn't seem likely NV would launch anything in early March either. That leaves late March/April timeframe as really the soonest you could expect parts to hit the retail channels. Even that is pretty optimistic.

If NV doesn't ship until May or later, they will lose-out on a great opportunity for folks that are getting new CPU/GPU re-builds. Unfortunately, we are back to a time in PCs where your GPU is 2x your CPU/MB investment for most people. Those that get a nice 2500K/MB combo at MC for ~$250 then chalk-up $400-500 for a mid to high-end GPU. :/

I agree that it would be even worse if they missed IB as well. Depending on how good GK104 is, it still might be too little even if it isn't too late. By all accounts though it should be a really good GPU. Even if it just matches the 580, that's a lot of card.
 

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market bulges are pretty important to time right. the evergreen family still dominates the dx11 gpu steam hardware survey even 2+ years later.

windows 7 and dx11 was a big driver of upgrades, absent a must play game at the time. sandybridge and bf3/skyrim havent seemingly done as much for the adoption of northern islands or gf 6xx series. that initial rush of people upgrading for w7 at chirstmas time was just too big and not enough of those people migrated to the next gen.

ivybridge desktop has been getting a lukewarm reception in the AT cpu/oc section. It may not be enough to kickstart a large upgrade/newbuild cycle.
 

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market bulges are pretty important to time right. the evergreen family still dominates the dx11 gpu steam hardware survey even 2+ years later.

windows 7 and dx11 was a big driver of upgrades, absent a must play game at the time. sandybridge and bf3/skyrim havent seemingly done as much for the adoption of northern islands or gf 6xx series. that initial rush of people upgrading for w7 at chirstmas time was just too big and not enough of those people migrated to the next gen.

ivybridge desktop has been getting a lukewarm reception in the AT cpu/oc section. It may not be enough to kickstart a large upgrade/newbuild cycle.

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