Nvidia Kepler Yields Lower Than Expected –CEO. Fermi 2.0?

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blackened23

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gtx 580 is ~ $35 cheaper than the 7950. That seems to be a fair amount, 7950 is slightly faster and it is slightly more expensive.

Cheapest 3gb GTX 580 I see there is 549.99. Same price as the 7970. I guess that would be helpful for anyone doing 3d surround resolutions eh.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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He was doing the exact same thing with the pre-released rumors of Tahiti specs. He kept repeating that the specs were final and were accurate.... turns out he was wrong there.

And they were, except for the XDR2 RAM.

But hey, keep deflecting!
 

badb0y

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Going to have to agree with Keyplayr here we have no idea what is in production or what is not. Who knows maybe they are stockpiling GTX 680s right now for an April launch .
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Look, either admit that you do not know, or tell us exactly how you do know.

Enough is entirely enough. And my friend, a "feeling" isn't going to cut it.

From the same person who said:

OMG this is going to be so good. I mean if those numbers are indeed true and GK104 is indeed the performance part and not high end. I think a big upset is on it's way. Gut feeling.

I think we have a good definition for that.


You basically approve anything that paints NVIDIA in a good light, but if anything comes out and puts it in a bad light, you go whining about how "Oh, we don't know anything. How do you know this insider info? You're spreading misinformationese!!!"

For that alone I won't take anything you say regarding graphics cards or the graphics card industry seriously. But it doesn't surprise me, again, coming from a "Focus Group Member" of any sort.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Going to have to agree with Keyplayr here we have no idea what is in production or what is not. Who knows maybe they are stockpiling GTX 680s right now for an April launch .

You do know the top GPU featuring GK104, the one that will probably be launched in April, will also probably be called the GTX 680, right?

There's no reason to call it GTX 660 when you're not gonna release anything higher than it for 6+ months.
 

Keysplayr

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From the same person who said:


"OMG this is going to be so good. I mean if those numbers are indeed true and GK104 is indeed the performance part and not high end. I think a big upset is on it's way. Gut feeling"

^ In bold.
It means you Fail.
 
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LOL_Wut_Axel

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OMG this is going to be so good. I mean if those numbers are indeed true and GK104 is indeed the performance part and not high end. I think a big upset is on it's way. Gut feeling.

^In bold.
It means you Fail.




We can play this game all night long, but at the end of day only one of us gets paid, or receives "gifts", in some way by a graphics card manufacturer.

We've tried to make this clear but I guess we're still failing. Keys' NVFG membership is not up for discussion; if you have a disagreement with anything he is saying, refute it the same way you'd refute anything another member has posted: with a well reasoned factual retort. Attacking Keys (or any other member) will not be allowed.
-ViRGE
 
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3DVagabond

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Jen-Hsun Huan said:
And this is a world-class company. And Morris and the management team are all over it, and they're doing everything in their power, and if history is any indication and it tends to be, they're going to work their way into a fabulous node here any time.
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

Translation: TSMC has really screwed the pooch, but I'm certain they will sort it out soon.
 

Mopetar

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You do know the top GPU featuring GK104, the one that will probably be launched in April, will also probably be called the GTX 680, right?

There's no reason to call it GTX 660 when you're not gonna release anything higher than it for 6+ months.

If it's only marginally better than a 7970, they're really going to tarnish their brand. The X80 GPUs from nVidia have almost always been the best single GPU card that you could buy at a given time, and usually be an appreciable margin.

It would be much better to release a competitive product (or even a worse one) as the 660. Even if it's not as good as the 79XX series, it will let people know that nVidia's performance card is in the same league as AMD's top card and that nVidia's best card is going to be nothing less than amazing.

Translation: TSMC has really screwed the pooch, but I'm certain they will sort it out soon.

Seems unlikely, especially given other details. Other companies haven't been complaining about yields and we already know that GK100 has been canceled. Other nVidia chips may be having similar problems, ergo the yield problems. My best guess is that their design is overly ambitious, which makes sense if even Charlie of all people is saying it's really good, but runs into issues when theory meets practice.
 

3DVagabond

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Seems unlikely, especially given other details. Other companies haven't been complaining about yields and we already know that GK100 has been canceled. Other nVidia chips may be having similar problems, ergo the yield problems. My best guess is that their design is overly ambitious, which makes sense if even Charlie of all people is saying it's really good, but runs into issues when theory meets practice.

I'm only translating from business talk to plain speak what JHH was saying. I'm not surprised that there are difficulties on a new node, but it does seem that nVidia continues to push the envelope too far. I believe the fault lies with nVidia not being able to design their GPU's to be manufacturable because the process needs to mature to meet their designs.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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If it's only marginally better than a 7970, they're really going to tarnish their brand. The X80 GPUs from nVidia have almost always been the best single GPU card that you could buy at a given time, and usually be an appreciable margin.

It would be much better to release a competitive product (or even a worse one) as the 660. Even if it's not as good as the 79XX series, it will let people know that nVidia's performance card is in the same league as AMD's top card and that nVidia's best card is going to be nothing less than amazing.



Seems unlikely, especially given other details. Other companies haven't been complaining about yields and we already know that GK100 has been canceled. Other nVidia chips may be having similar problems, ergo the yield problems. My best guess is that their design is overly ambitious, which makes sense if even Charlie of all people is saying it's really good, but runs into issues when theory meets practice.

How would it "tarnish" it? People in general buy based on price/performance or what's best at a price point under $200. For every GTX 580 I can sell, I can sell five GTX 560 or 560 Ti. The GTX 580 is only 15% faster than the HD 6970, and them naming it the 660 would be horrible from a financial standpoint. It means pricing simply cannot be higher than $300, even if the performance is there to justify a higher price tag. They'll release the fastest of what they have now as the GTX 680 and when they can sort out GK110 they'll release the top card config as the GTX 780.

Also, there's not much stopping AMD from releasing the HD 8000 series when GK110 is unleashed.
 

AtenRa

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As of 18th February 2012,

GK100 being scrap = rumor
GK104 being the GTX680 = rumor
GK104 faster than Tahiti = rumor
Kepler desktop launch = unknown
Kepler in production = confirmed
Which Kepler in production = unknown
 

taltamir

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Nvidia says Kepler is the best graphics processor ever designed by the company.
Isn't that almost always the case? with the exception of duds like P4 which are slower then their predecessor, every new GPU or CPU architecture was "the best ever made" when released.

Normally companies cancel a failed project rather then releasing a product inferior to what they already have on the market (ex larabee)...
Cases like the P4 are rare and far between when marketing execs get too full of themselves and think they can spin a worse new product.
 

Keysplayr

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^In bold.
It means you Fail.




We can play this game all night long, but at the end of day only one of us gets paid, or receives "gifts", in some way by a graphics card manufacturer.

"if" and "I think" are speculative descriptors. You can't play any games at all because your game ended with this, "Because it IS a fact."

And it wasn't. It's not that you don't understand, it's that you refuse to let others know you understand. I get it.
 
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Both Keysplayr and LOL_Axel are stating their opinions, should them be biased or not, I won't judge.

The problem is, Axel sometimes states it as a fact (we don't know if it is right or not, all that we have are rumors).

This debate is unproductive and stupid, as a community, could we please move on?
 

Keysplayr

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Both Keysplayr and LOL_Axel are stating their opinions, should them be biased or not, I won't judge.

The problem is, Axel sometimes states it as a fact (we don't know if it is right or not, all that we have are rumors).

This debate is unproductive and stupid, as a community, could we please move on?

Agreed. Absolutely.
 

tviceman

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As of 18th February 2012,

GK100 being scrap = rumor
GK104 being the GTX680 = rumor
GK104 faster than Tahiti = rumor
Kepler desktop launch = unknown
Kepler in production = confirmed
Which Kepler in production = unknown

"if" and "I think" are speculative descriptors. You can't play any games at all because your game ended with this, "Because it IS a fact."

And it wasn't. It's not that you don't understand, it's that you refuse to let others know you understand. I get it.

Both Keysplayr and LOL_Axel are stating their opinions, should them be biased or not, I won't judge.

The problem is, Axel sometimes states it as a fact (we don't know if it is right or not, all that we have are rumors).

This debate is unproductive and stupid, as a community, could we please move on?

This sums it up quite well.
 

SirPauly

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I pulled two things from that article:

1. Kepler is in production.
2. Yields/Problems aren't as bad as Fermi.

Did I read that wrong? It's at least solid information for a change and not all that bad.

I read it as Kepler is ramping hard.

Would like to see yields improve -- offered guidance for a drop in margins to around 49.2 and through the year back to around 52.

Would like to see more wafers.
 

Grooveriding

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.................aaaaaaaaaand kepler is a no show at the EVGA pdx lan



The extent of their presence there. Failboat, they don't even have a working sample to at least parrot about a bit. :thumbsdown:

Also, lol at that crummy hdtv. Come on nv, spend some dollas.
 
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SirPauly

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I'm only translating from business talk to plain speak what JHH was saying. I'm not surprised that there are difficulties on a new node, but it does seem that nVidia continues to push the envelope too far. I believe the fault lies with nVidia not being able to design their GPU's to be manufacturable because the process needs to mature to meet their designs.

You're translating what was said to 3DVagabond speak.
 
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