NVIDIA killed off Image Sharpening for 8800's.

aweigh

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They took it out of the 8800's. NVIDIA says the 8800's supposedly aren't capable of the old Image Sharpening, so they ripped it out, and I REALLY miss it.

Does anyone know if there is a program that does what the old NVIDIA Image Sharpening used to do? Anything at all that would work in a similar way?
 

imported_Seer

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ffdshow, maybe? I don't know what type of image sharpening you're talking about, but ffdshow has a sharpen filter (and many others) for decoding video content.
 

aweigh

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pre-8800 NVIDIA cards have an option in the CP to increase the sharpness of the overall image.
 

Blurry

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like what Seer said, use ffdshow...it has plenty of different sharpening filters that are better than nvidias basic sharpner.

BTW..why sharpen a video? It looks artifical and introduces too much noise.
 

josh6079

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NVIDIA killed off Image Sharpening for 8800's.
Don't worry, Blurry knows how to fix it.

Sorry, but that one got me. I was like, "How can blurry help sharpen things?"
 

themisfit610

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Well - it's not totally true that sharpening will introduce artifacts. If you use ffdshow's avisynth feature, you can use any of several really smart AviSynth hybrid denoiser/sharpeners like fft3dgpu with SeeSaw, or LimitedSharpenFaster. These can REALLY improve image quality if you have a fast CPU (dual core mandatory). It's not practical to use all the time because these sharpeners have to be tweaked for pretty much every source, but it's still cool

~MiSfit
 

imported_Seer

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I tried to follow some guides to get anime loooking better at 2x zoom using ffdshow, and failed miserably. It looked quite horrible. I don't really see why its worth it, as whatever MPC or VLC do when you hit 2x zoom works fine.
 

aweigh

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You guys misunderstood; NVIDIA's digital sharpening is not only for video, but for everything, including games. It made games look much better with a few notches of IS. It was the one reason I chose NVIDIA over ATI previously. :\
 

imported_RedStar

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Considering that the 8800 series trumps previous nvidia IQ levels, this thread seems like a non-starter to me.

NEXT!

 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: aweigh
You guys misunderstood; NVIDIA's digital sharpening is not only for video, but for everything, including games. It made games look much better with a few notches of IS. It was the one reason I chose NVIDIA over ATI previously. :\

No it doesn't! It a Playback Enhancement feature nothing more.

You may be thinking of the texture sharpening option in the old Forceware drivers. That also did nothing but (IIRC) bump up the AA one notch without actually saying it.

If you seriously bought the card for that sole reason.....Words simply escape me.

-Kevin
 

CP5670

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He is right, the image sharpening affects everything. I tried it out once and it looked quite terrible to me though, at least in Windows. It introduced these white artifacts all over the place.
 

TheRyuu

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It would probably introduce artifacts before the IQ would become any good.
For videos use ffdshow+Nvidia Purevideo.

OP, I know what your talking about but why anyone would use it I have no idea.
 

xtknight

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I can't say I miss it. I say fix the root of the problem (adjust your blurry monitor or get a new one). There are higher quality video filters too like themisfit610 mentioned.
 

BFG10K

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No it doesn't! It a Playback Enhancement feature nothing more.
Rubbish - it sharpens everything. It has nothing to do with video playback though it probably works with video playback as well.

I personally never use it because it introduces aliasing to everything but it could be useful in a situation like running a non-native LCD resolution.
 

CP5670

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It is annoying how the GPU companies silently drop features like this though. The xS AA modes are another example, and ATI did the same thing with the smartshaders earlier this year.
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
No it doesn't! It a Playback Enhancement feature nothing more.
Rubbish - it sharpens everything. It has nothing to do with video playback though it probably works with video playback as well.

I personally never use it because it introduces aliasing to everything but it could be useful in a situation like running a non-native LCD resolution.
Indeed. IMO, it's like the "digital vibrance" control that NVIDIA has - both may have limited applications, but if you do any sort of content creation (including digital photography), both of those "features" must be turned off.
 

aweigh

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If you used the Image Sharpening sparingly, it made things "pop", IMO. I only bumped it 3 notches, out of 20 notches, so you know I wasn't saturating the effect. My monitor isn't fuzzy or blurry, it's razor sharp, and IS gave it a minute enhancement. I found that 3 notches of IS helped bring textures alive in games, and it's a feature I miss with my 8800.

I've always stayed with NVIDIA because it had two features I used all the time: 3 notches of image sharpening and 5 notches of digital vibrance. When ATI released cards with color saturation in AVIVO, I thought about going with ATI because of their superior AF, but NVIDIA's IS held me back.

As for the 8800's having superior IQ: yes, it is technically true that 8800's have superior anisotropic-filtering and anti-aliasing to the previous generation of NVIDIA cards, but now they merely match the level of IQ already present in current generation ATI cards. As an earlier poster said, it aggravates me that video card companies drop features like this. They should be adding them, not removing them!

As things stand right now, the beta state of the 8800 driver support isn't looking too good. The current 97.44 have a seriously annoying fog problem with Source-engine games, and SC: Double Agent doesn't even work with 8800's. Plus, I thought NVIDIA's new anisotropic filtering method would eliminate the annoying texture shimmering present in 6x/7x series of cards, but that's still very much present. Why do video card review sites lie about stuff like this? They should post VIDEOS of games in action, so people can see the shimmering, because that kind of stuff is simply not present in still pictures.
 

josh6079

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...it is technically true that 8800's have superior anisotropic-filtering and anti-aliasing to the previous generation of NVIDIA cards, but now they merely match the level of IQ already present in current generation ATI cards.
:Q

:laugh:

Dude. You're sooooo wrong.
 

Blurry

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Don't worry, Blurry knows how to fix it.

Har har...nice one josh (I'm still puzzled as how I didn't catch the irony of my post.)
Well anyways, does the 6XXX series have image sharpening? The whole idea of making my lcd a tad sharper sounds pretty sweet.

Yes, ironic, I know.
 

Zenoth

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Maybe it's still possible to enable it through the Registry.

Many ATi features are hidden in the official CCC and old CP, and are shown in third party programs such as ATi Tray Tools (Fog options, Level of Detail option, different Compression Methods, many D3D features and OGL features, Tiling options, and so on).
 

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: aweigh
You guys misunderstood; NVIDIA's digital sharpening is not only for video, but for everything, including games. It made games look much better with a few notches of IS. It was the one reason I chose NVIDIA over ATI previously. :\

No it doesn't! It a Playback Enhancement feature nothing more.

You may be thinking of the texture sharpening option in the old Forceware drivers. That also did nothing but (IIRC) bump up the AA one notch without actually saying it.

If you seriously bought the card for that sole reason.....Words simply escape me.

-Kevin

It works for everything. Unfortunately I don't know of a way to capture the effect short of photographing the monitor.
 

imported_Airjarhead

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I'm with Aweigh on this one. I loved image sharpening. I did exactly the same as him. A few bumps of IS and a few bumps of Dig Vib, and games look MUCH better (it won me over from ATI too).
BTW, I hate it when people reply and say crap like "get a new monitor cuz yours sux." If you haven't tried it then you have no idea what it can do.
And for those that said they tried it in Windows and it looked terrible, you're right. It looked terrible in windows, and so does Digital Vibrance. BUT we buy video cards for games, and what those 2 features brought to games where a must have IMHO.
I couldn't believe it when it was gone, and it forced me to google to this thread. If the 8800's really can't do IS then my GTS may be going back. I really just bought it to play GRAW and R6 Vegas. However those games such so bad for the PC (compared to the Xbox 360) that I wish I had never bought them.
 

Captante

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Originally posted by: josh6079
...it is technically true that 8800's have superior anisotropic-filtering and anti-aliasing to the previous generation of NVIDIA cards, but now they merely match the level of IQ already present in current generation ATI cards.
:Q

:laugh:

Dude. You're sooooo wrong.

I have to say that going directly from an X1900XTX to an 8800GTX, the IQ advantage of the GTX while better, is only slightly better in games, not night & day the way some review sites described it.
 

40sTheme

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Originally posted by: gersson
If your games look blurry, your CRT may be dying...

QFT. Recently took one of my friends old CRTs over my '97 Gateway monitor because of blurry/dark images. I must say, it's a huge improvement, but i'm going LCD in March.
 
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