Nvidia Maxwell-based 900 series cards now going into legacy support

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wahdangun

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https://tech4gamers.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-900-series-is-obsolete-say-hello-to-legacy-drivers/

http://www.nvidia.com/page/legacy.html

Little do you know that Nvidia has decided not support the GeForce GTX 900 series graphics card any longer in the future, which has been confirmed that the series has become part of NVIDIA's legacy products.

Although no official announcement was made, the GeForce GTX 900 series graphics card will no longer be receiving any form performance improvement for any upcoming game titles. A limited amount of support and fixes will still be provided to the GeForce GTX 900 series owners, but this makes it clear that NVIDIA will be focusing its effort on enhancing the new Pascal Architecture GPU GeForce GTX 1000 series to take on both Vulkan and DirectX 12 after a report that shows the GTX 970 defeated by AMD Radeon RX 480 and Reddit post showing GTX 1070 defeated by AMD Radeon Fury X on DOOM, being incapable to fully support Vulkan API and Asynchronous Computing.
Changed the thread title to remove the word "Driver". This spurring too many arguments.

-Rvenger
 
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Wow, that was fast. That really is too bad.
 

SPBHM

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as far as I know this legacy list doesn't mean legacy driver support,

like Kepler was already on the list for a while but is not considered on "legacy support", in the sense we are used to (not part of the main drivers support, which is still is)
 

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Some people will not even try to understand the difference between legacy product and legacy drivers.

However, Yesterday Manuel G (Nvidia Driver manager and Rep) replied on Guru3d.
All it means is that we have stopped manufacturing the GPU. Most of the optimizations we add to our drivers are not architecture specific so they should help most GPUs. If we are going to stop providing driver support for a GPU then we use the term EOL or end of life. Some businesses depend on having access to a GPU for a long time so it is useful for them to know which GPUs are current and which GPUs we have stopped manufacturing.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=409017

In short, they have ended the production of Maxwell base product ,therefore, it is now in legacy products ,which has nothing to do with optimization.
 
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wahdangun

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as far as I know this legacy list doesn't mean legacy driver support,

like Kepler was already on the list for a while but is not considered on "legacy support", in the sense we are used to (not part of the main drivers support, which is still is)

its mean maxwell will not get driver improvement and u can surely kiss that async support goodbye
 

SPBHM

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If anyone was actually holding out waitng on async support for Maxwell, they were/are delusional.

it's going to be released alongside the Fermi DX12 drivers :thumbsup:
(never)

but that's not because of this legacy list; it's simply not fast at it and Maxwell is still going to get driver optimizations, they are still doing for Kepler as far as I know.
 

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it's going to be released alongside the Fermi DX12 drivers :thumbsup:
(never)

but that's not because of this legacy list; it's simply not fast at it and Maxwell is still going to get driver optimizations, they are still doing for Kepler as far as I know.
Yes, more in the form of bug fixes, compatibility issues and not performance optimisations.
 

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LOL. LOL .LOL. I shouldn't be laughing too hard because I own a GTX970. But, man, Maxwell ain't even that old. Just TWO MONTHS AGO it was consider the latest and greatest. Now, they're getting dumped? Holy crap.

Maxwell will run into a wall. No Async-compute with no more optimization? Stick a fork in it. Maxwell is done. By next year, the 390x will be as fast as the GTX980TI in DX12/Vulkan. Mark my words.
 

Keysplayr

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Man, some of you guys will go along with, and say anything without actually knowing anything about anything.
 

Sweepr

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it's going to be released alongside the Fermi DX12 drivers :thumbsup:
(never)

but that's not because of this legacy list; it's simply not fast at it and Maxwell is still going to get driver optimizations, they are still doing for Kepler as far as I know.

Legacy just means they're not making the cards anymore.

Both correct.

There's no Maxwell among the Notebook section there because mobile Pascal hasn't been launched yet.
 

3DVagabond

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it's going to be released alongside the Fermi DX12 drivers :thumbsup:
(never)

but that's not because of this legacy list; it's simply not fast at it and Maxwell is still going to get driver optimizations, they are still doing for Kepler as far as I know.

In Doom I've seen benchmarks where Pitcairn beats the 780 ti. And before someone blames the 3GB, it's not bothering the 7970, which is beating the Titan by >10%. Kepler optimizations? Really?

 

wahdangun

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In Doom I've seen benchmarks where Pitcairn beats the 780 ti. And before someone blames the 3GB, it's not bothering the 7970, which is beating the Titan by >10%. Kepler optimizations? Really?


i think he just using sarcasm
 

David_k

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Its not driver optimizations, More to do with game optimization, and maybe the lack of gains from low level api on the 780Ti even "if" being somewhat optimized for it.
The difference in architecture between Kepler-Maxwell-GCN is big when it comes to Vulkan/DX12.

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Where GCN pulls ahead in Vulkan, while on OpenGL The 770 beats the 370.
 
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Its not driver optimizations, its the difference in architecture between Kepler-Maxwell-GCN and low level api gains on gcn.

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Where GCN pulls ahead in Vulkan, while on OpenGL The 770 beats the 370.

AMD's OpenGL drivers have never been well optimized. And why would they bother now when the game has Vulkan support? nVidia on the other hand has such poor Vulkan hardware support that it needs to tweak the OpenGL drivers as much as they can.
 

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Saying "OpenGL sucks on amd" is the same as saying "Vulakn Sucks on the Kepler-maxwell cards". showing the worst case scenario for both..
 

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Man, some of you guys will go along with, and say anything without actually knowing anything about anything.
Normally I'm not one to readily agree with you Keys, but in this case you're spot on. Using the name "legacy" probably isn't doing NV any favors here, but this clearly has nothing to do with the drivers.

Though I don't blame the users here as much as I blame poorly researched "articles" like the one in the OP.
 
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