Uh, pretty sure you need source code to get any clue as to what's going on, without Boris Vorontsov levels of investment and manhours.
Not really. Have you tried a good graphics debugger before?
Imagine if at least half the games were to receive similar AMD optimizations! We both know, that AMD hardware is superior to NV, it's the software where AMD is lacking.
The closest thing to a debugger I've used, is Cheat Engine ta reverse engineer Dark Souls' npc structure.
That is, I've nae frickin' clue, but havin' source code helps immensely in all cases.
I don't know if it's applicable, but only products from AMD that have "legacy" status are HD 5000-6000 (and older).
That's PR speak for: "Don't worry guys, Maxwell will keep on getting driver optimizations! TRUST US!!"
Fermi users who trusted NV to keep their promise of DX12 & Vulkan support...
Maxwell users who trusted NV to keep their promise of Async Compute support via new drivers...
But it's okay this time. They will surely focus on keeping Maxwell optimized in new games...
I find this incredibly sad: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4va0ix/nvidia_gtx560_and_directx_12/ (a few ppl there are genuinely trying to help him troubleshooting running a DX12 game on his Fermi GPU.. like they were sure NV supports it! lol)
Deus Ex is out in a couple weeks. I think this is the first major title to release since the Pascal launch. Supports DX12 as well. We might get the first indication if Maxwell is getting Keplered when we see benchmarks of the game. If the 1080 is hugely faster than 980ti, the nerf has begun
Because Kepler>Maxwell was a major architectural shift, that's not the case from M>P. That doesn't excuse what happened to Kepler owners though, I do think they got a raw deal. They should have been more actively supported, at least through all of Maxwell. (You should be able to expect solid performance for 2 generations when you buy a gaming/enthusiast GPU.)
Thermi's launched six years ago, to expect them to be running DX12 games now is pretty unlikely.
Was his response as to why my 670 didn't perform as well as it could have. Didn't elaborate much beyond this. Trust what he says though, certainly, has way more credibility than what NV PR does, in my eyes at least. He's another good one:
Imagine if at least half the games were to receive similar AMD optimizations! We both know, that AMD hardware is superior to NV, it's the software where AMD is lacking.
why trash it? sell it as fast as possible. I already sold my 980m laptop. I lost about 400$ not that bad considering I got about 1 year of use out of it.Well then. Guess it's time to throw my 970m-powered laptop in the trash! Do I thank Obama for this?
Put another way, Maxwell and Pascal are so similar, the latter is essentially a shrunk-down and moderately enhanced version of the former; it would be virtually impossible to improve one without benefitting the other.
The reason is because NV were saying Fermi, Kepler & Maxwell are "Game Ready" for DX12.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-gtx-is-game-ready-for-windows-10-and-directx-12
So lots of gamers thought that was true... so they are trying to run DX12 games on their Fermi GPUs and it's not working, they come to forums to ask for help. LOL @ at all the peeps who were trying to troubleshoot his PC... when NV has dropped it and no, Fermi doesn't do DX12/Vulkan.
One more timeWhatever NV was saying 6 years ago:
1. I don't think anyone with any sense whatsoever expects to use a GPU six years and have it working with the latest stuff.
2. I don't think anyone with any sense expects a six year old Thermi is running new DX12 games even at 1080p
3. I honestly don't think any real gamers still have a Thermi.
The same way they were telling us that 900 Maxwell series supported asynchronous compute.Nvidia said:The reason is because NV were saying Fermi, Kepler & Maxwell are "Game Ready" for DX12.
Yup. I don't trust any company's pr machine.And Bulldozer performance, fury X overclocking. RX480 "efficiency over 9000X". Most companies suffer the false statements regarding products.
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Whatever NV was saying 6 years ago:
1. I don't think anyone with any sense whatsoever expects to use a GPU six years and have it working with the latest stuff.
2. I don't think anyone with any sense expects a six year old Thermi is running new DX12 games even at 1080p
3. I honestly don't think any real gamers still have a Thermi.
So it's your position that there is some huge pool of people using 6 year old Thermis to try and game with DX12
@OatisCampbell
Did you know, awhile after Maxwell's launch, NV actually released a presentation which said, their own users, 70% are still on old architectures, Kepler & Fermi or older.
Not everyone buys the latest tech.
But that isn't even the point. The point is they said Fermi will support DX12/Vulkan.
You don't need to justify or defend why NV did not add DX12/Vulkan support for Fermi. You really don't, unless you are on their payroll.
It's similar to the "enthusiast key" for 4 way SLI with Pascal. Later back tracking, no such thing exists. It's simply not supported anymore via their own drivers.
So you have a company with a history of lying to their customers. Repeatedly. So excuse me if when NV PR comes and says Maxwell will continue to receive driver optimizations, that I doubt their words.
"Fool me once.. " you know how it goes.
And Bulldozer performance, fury X overclocking. RX480 "efficiency over 9000X". Most companies suffer the false statements regarding products.
Its just that a certain company have tried to pull a fast one, more often recently..I don't take anything the "x company" pr machine tells me at face value anymore, and neither should you.
Promising dx12 for fermi was all part of the bigger lie by nvidia to appear more competent in dx12 than they actually are, right up there with 12_1 level of support they claim for their newer hardwares- empty promises aka lies.So, going against common sense, you'd expect people to attempt to play todays modern DX12 games on Fermi. Regardless if that architecture can be made to support DX12 or not, and I understand the rope you're grasping is holding Nvidia to the exact text they laid down then and that's you're entire argument... Not that Fermi cant possibly run any DX12 title and not be a power point presentation. Is that right?
If you weren't biased, you would see this. Not try to hold a company to a ridiculous expectation. Are you buying your 480s for DX15? DX16?
I also remember when HardOCP re-named the Quake executable to "Quack" and showed ATi had put IQ lowering code in the drivers specific to the game to dupe buyers into thinking their cards were better than they were.
So, going against common sense, you'd expect people to attempt to play todays modern DX12 games on Fermi. Regardless if that architecture can be made to support DX12 or not, and I understand the rope you're grasping is holding Nvidia to the exact text they laid down then and that's you're entire argument... Not that Fermi cant possibly run any DX12 title and not be a power point presentation. Is that right?
If you weren't biased, you would see this. Not try to hold a company to a ridiculous expectation. Are you buying your 480s for DX15? DX16?