There's no need to defend PR lies.
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You got your facts wrong. AMD's Polaris perf/w claims are based on the RX 470. Not the 480. Also, specifically versus the 270X IIRC. It's a specific claim, that will be tested I'm sure.
I can add to that history of AMD/ATi lies:
I had a Rage Fury MAXX back in the day, and after a year of very poor support they dropped it altogether and I was out $300 IIRC.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-rage-fury-maxx-review,156.html
They basically said they couldn't figure it out and gave up.
I also remember when HardOCP re-named the Quake executable to "Quack" and showed ATi had put IQ lowering code in the drivers specific to the game to dupe buyers into thinking their cards were better than they were.
AMD used to make all kinds of false claims about their "3DNow" patches and FP performance on their processors.
For that matter I could probably dig up similar on intel.
So basically all companies lie, exaggerate and make mistakes.
Smart people don't say "They lied/exaggerated/were wrong once, they can never be trusted again".
Have fun gaming with your rubber ball and jacks if that is the rule.
Wow.
If AMD actually released media statements that Polaris supports DX13 or whatever the next API is, and they did not. I would hold them accountable and to me, that would be a lie.
Fermi is DX11 capable. When DX12 was announced, NV said all their DX11 GPUs will be compatible with DX12. When Vulkan was announced, NV said all their GPUs from Fermi onwards will be compatible.
So yes, I hold them accountable.
You know I was one of those who called out Joe Macri for being a liar about the Fury X "overclocker's dream" statement.
There's no need to defend PR lies.
@David_k
You got your facts wrong. AMD's Polaris perf/w claims are based on the RX 470. Not the 480. Also, specifically versus the 270X IIRC. It's a specific claim, that will be tested I'm sure.
It's a different situation to say, JHH standing there live, saying the 1080, "65C, cool as a cucumber"... and describing the cooler as "premium, crazy good overclocker".. turned out it was 80-82C, throttling badly once inside a gaming case after a few minutes.
Wonder how many reviewers updated acoustic measurements after the fan profile fix. Nevertheless, this was a minor slip from Nvidia, and I really doubt it was intentional since the throttling was easy to spot and created far more noise on top of that silent fan profile.the founders edition cards fan profiles were set to run quiet over cool
Wow what, Wow I am 100% correct?
The perf/w slide had *, look at it, oh wow.. it's the RX 470.
Does truth surprise you that much?
So, going against common sense, you'd expect people to attempt to play todays modern DX12 games on Fermi. Regardless if that architecture can be made to support DX12 or not, and I understand the rope you're grasping is holding Nvidia to the exact text they laid down then and that's you're entire argument... Not that Fermi cant possibly run any DX12 title and not be a power point presentation. Is that right?
If you weren't biased, you would see this. Not try to hold a company to a ridiculous expectation. Are you buying your 480s for DX15? DX16?
I guess you are the only one who has found the RX 470 in this picture:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3077...ll-bring-high-end-graphics-to-the-masses.html
People shouldn't be dismissing the 580 just because of its age.
A key example where even Fermi should benefit from DX12 or Vulkan would be PCSX2 and Dolphin
Nvidia announced DX12 support for Fermi back in March 2014. Nvidia still said Fermi would get DX12 support when Windows 10 was released one year ago, just that it would come sooner. Nvidia's website still says Fermi will get DX12. But the DX12 driver is still nowhere to be seen and Nvidia has been dead silent about Fermi since the WDDM 2.0 driver.
It's disgusting to see how Nvidia backtracked on its promise about Fermi and absolutely no one outside the company should be defending Nvidia for it.
A popular recommendation for budget builds has also been the 750 Ti, which is worse than the 580, and often outperforming the PS4 version. People shouldn't be dismissing the 580 just because of its age.
Forza Apex and Quantum broken.I wonder how many gtx 480/580 owners are clamoring for DX12. And if they think their cards would suddenly be more playable or more preferable to DX11 mode. Are there DX12 only games yet?
I guess you are the only one who has found the RX 470 in this picture:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3077...ll-bring-high-end-graphics-to-the-masses.html
Forza Apex and Quantum broken.
Do you know what "2" explains in the endnotes ??
Because there is also this slide that specifically talks about 2.8X perf/watt is about the RX 470 vs R9 270X.
Gears of War, Tomb Raider, and Hitman are all DX12.
why trash it? sell it as fast as possible. I already sold my 980m laptop. I lost about 400$ not that bad considering I got about 1 year of use out of it.
If that is the case then their are 2 things to consider.
1) It was Raja mistake that his team put 2.8X performance per watt on RX480.
2) AMD is at that level of non professionalism ,that they do not even know the difference between RX 480 and RX 470.
Watch the multiple people who claimed silverforce was lying not apologize. It's not hard to fact check, but you guys are happy to be wrong.
Also the attempts at derailing the thread are pretty obvious. If you want to discuss the claims AMD has made this really isn't the place for it. Trying to deflect with "what-about"-isms isn't doing you any favors.
If that is the case then their are 2 things to consider.
1) It was Raja mistake that his team put 2.8X performance per watt on RX480.
2) AMD is at that level of non professionalism ,that they do not even know the difference between RX 480 and RX 470.
It is relevant. Unless no other manufacturers make inaccurate or 'yet unfulfilled' statements other than Nvidia. But I understand theres an obsession by many non-Nvidia owners to froth at the mouth and declare days of infamy whenever any Nvidia cockups occur, from the slightest to the more serious. And to keep the focus exclusively on Nv. Almost like Fox news obsession with Obama.Also the attempts at derailing the thread are pretty obvious. If you want to discuss the claims AMD has made this really isn't the place for it. Trying to deflect with "what-about"-isms isn't doing you any favors.