http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/hitman_2016_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html
DX11:
GTX980TI 85FPS
GTX980 68FPS
390X 87FPS
290X 78FPS
DX12:
GTX980TI 76FPS
GTX980 62 FPS
390X 82FPS
290X 75FPS
Sure looks great doesn't it.
There will always be games that don't need the grunt of a modern GPU and can do with more abstraction (Stardew Valley and the likes), but DX11 doesn't stop to exist.
However, regardless of what you think about the current state of Hitman and DX12, one can still see the following ratio:
980 Ti is 25% faster than 980 in 1080p DX11
980 Ti is 33% faster than 980 in 1080p DX12
Source: pcgameshardware.de
You're free to say that this is a single event but I'm certain that we can dig up more evidence that Nvidia too is seeing scaling issues with DX11 today.
Even Total War Warhammer doesn't even bother to list any DX12 specs or performance.
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER_Specs
so wait you base your entire thought process on a game that doesnt list dx12 as a feature?
i can tell you the difference its very easy tho and the very basic but this is not the problem here..
have you even bothered to play aots? do you even know they are planning to release much more games based on this "benchmark" as you call it?
you could call star swarm a bench since it was that but calling a full blown game that clearly you havent touched a benchmark just because it doesnt favor a certain company is a bit much..
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/hitman_2016_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html
DX11:
GTX980TI 85FPS
GTX980 68FPS
390X 87FPS
290X 78FPS
DX12:
GTX980TI 76FPS
GTX980 62 FPS
390X 82FPS
290X 75FPS
Sure looks great doesn't it.
Why dont you list the DX12 successes? Because there isn't any? Its one flop after the other so far.
besides gears of wars that a certain company actually made it worseAs I already wrote previous, you now chant AOTS like it was the savior of everything
Why dont you list the DX12 successes? Because there isn't any? Its one flop after the other so far.
Success as defined by YOU or by the studio?
Ashes is in fact a success, as defined by the developers Oxide and the studio Stardock. It has been profitable for them, and created an engine that Stardock will use in future titles as well as tech they can license out via multi-GPU applications.
Hitman is ongoing, it's sales are going up, with each new level released, it jumps to the top steam selling list.
wasnt you that found out that nvidia was not using any dynamic lightning on aots some time ago? before they changed back the settings from oxide?Guru3D were claiming Ashes was broken/stutter (when it's smooth as anyone who has the game can attest, me included) due to weird FCAT results before, even after they were told they are wrong.
Btw, here's the ultimate proof. Video benchmarks. Side by side.
980Ti @ 4K (SSAA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X-uN05eO3M
Fury X @ 4K (SSAA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFpSf9ITcSM
Fury X vs 980Ti @ 1080p:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-Ex7VtzfA
^ Note that IO has optimized the game a lot on Sapienza for Maxwell, it's very competitive in most scenes. Fury X only pulls ahead in more complex scenes in town/buildings.
Do these reviewers even know how to use PresentMon properly? PCgameshardware claimed that Quantum Break stutter on everything (based on PresentMon), they were proven wrong, it only stutter on some NV GPUs.
You define success by what? Making AMD winning in benchmark after beta 2 update or you defining their success of low sales?Success as defined by YOU or by the studio?
Ashes is in fact a success, as defined by the developers Oxide and the studio Stardock. It has been profitable for them, and created an engine that Stardock will use in future titles as well as tech they can license out via multi-GPU applications.
Hitman is ongoing, it's sales are going up, with each new level released, it jumps to the top steam selling list.
AOTS is a massive flop, sales tell that story.
Hitman got 175K owners, far from what they hoped for. Another flop in their area. Its the worst selling Hitman without question.
Do you know that IO has lower the settings on DX12 due to Fury X lower Vram problem? DX11 has better IQ then DX12.wasnt you that found out that nvidia was not using any dynamic lightning on aots some time ago? before they changed back the settings from oxide?
hmm yeah a massive flop
lets see another space rts out there that rivals aots..
hmm no ? not a recent one? only the warhammer 40.000 games that are 5-6 years old and have 1.7 userbase each?
yeah no.. most of the serious rts are old and you just go and compare it to what? is there a recent space genre rts that actually have better so far better sales that you can call it a flop? no? what is that? NO? hmm..
Rome 2 (2 million) Total War2 (2 million) , Civilization 5 (8 million) , supreme commander 1 and 2 (2 million) , planetary annihilation (0.8 million), planetary Titan (1 million)hmm yeah a massive flop
lets see another space rts out there that rivals aots..
hmm no ? not a recent one? only the warhammer 40.000 games that are 5-6 years old and have 1.7 userbase each?
yeah no.. most of the serious rts are old and you just go and compare it to what? is there a recent space genre rts that actually have better so far better sales that you can call it a flop? no? what is that? NO? hmm..
are you actually suggesting that nvidia was ahead till 2 months ago? well isnt that an interesting twist D:You define success by what? Making AMD winning in benchmark after beta 2 update or you defining their success of low sales?
Rome 2 (2 million) Total War2 (2 million) , Civilization 5 (8 million) , supreme commander 1 and 2 (2 million) , planetary annihilation (0.8 million), planetary Titan (1 million)
Ashes of the Singularity ( 50k)
Do you live in this world? If you are then you would not be posting this.are you actually suggesting that nvidia was ahead till 2 months ago? well isnt that an interesting twist D:
Rome 2 (2 million) Total War2 (2 million) , Civilization 5 (8 million) , supreme commander 1 and 2 (2 million) , planetary annihilation (0.8 million), planetary Titan (1 million)
Ashes of the Singularity ( 50k)
Do you live in this world? If you are then you would not be posting this.
it was never alive to begin with...If AOTS is the brilliance and sales leader in its segment. The segment is dead.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1081-dx11-vs-dx12-ashes/page3.htmli would ask you for proofs of your statement but given how you never did give any in the past its moot
so please stop this mumbo jumbo talk
You mean to say Hitman 2016 (2009 xbox 360) port is the future of PC gaming?If dx12 is flop than why the heck no developers has said it's flop ? instead all of them are praising it. and why the hell nvidia is even making dx12 gpu? why they are mimicking GCN in pascal ? why they don't tell about acs capability of maxwell ? why nvidia suck in dx12? why you people who said AMD should work with developers are getting mad when Amd is doing exactly that ? why ?
because now you are in same position where those amd users were in GW games where Amd couldn't do anything to fix performance, because they were held back by close source GW, now nvidia is being held by their hardware . karma is bish.
Please point out where i said that.You mean to say Hitman 2016 (2009 xbox 360) port is the future of PC gaming?
correct if im wrong but wasnt this when they discovered that nvidia was off loading the async usage on the cpu?http://www.techspot.com/review/1081-dx11-vs-dx12-ashes/page3.html
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-grap...gularity-directx-12-benchmark-latest-drivers/
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-950-xtreme-gaming-review,23.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9740/directx-12-geforce-plus-radeon-mgpu-preview/4
http://gamegpu.com/rts-/-strategii/ashes-of-the-singularity-test-gpu.html
When they saw nvidia winning then AMD ask Oxide to increase computing in Beta 2.
i know only this that they increased computing in beta 2 which is why nvidia performance tanked.correct if im wrong but wasnt this when they discovered that nvidia was off loading the async usage on the cpu?
also wasnt this the time that siverforce actually found out that nvidia wasnt really using any shadows and dynamic lightning ?
yeap i still remember it it was prior of beta 2 after kolloc saw it too and made the adjustments(as per he that they gonna pass more and more pp filters through async)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2462951
have fun reading it