NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[exar333]

Speculation indeed, but informed by having closely followed past product releases, and common knowledge that GDDR5X is not available in quantity.

I hope I'm wrong, as I'd like to buy a $600 GTX 1080 as soon as possible. I do not, however, want to buy a $700 1080.

Personally, I don't mind paying an extra $50-100 premium for a top-end GPU SKU, but only if I am getting tangible benefits. It better have best-in-class stock speeds and boost, lots of tweaking options and plenty of cooling. MSI Lightning. EVGA Kingpin, etc.

If I understand you right (not trying to put words in your mouth, so let me know if I am off-base) you are definitely against a $700 reference option. Considering in this case it is almost a 20% difference in price, the 'Founder's Edition' should be at least 15% better out of the box. I'm dubious that is the case....

What I can say is that I have purchased Titans and Titan Xs and sold them for a LOT more than $100 premium around launch. So the demand is definitely there...

 

[Termie]

Personally, I don't mind paying an extra $50-100 premium for a top-end GPU SKU, but only if I am getting tangible benefits. It better have best-in-class stock speeds and boost, lots of tweaking options and plenty of cooling. MSI Lightning. EVGA Kingpin, etc.

If I understand you right (not trying to put words in your mouth, so let me know if I am off-base) you are definitely against a $700 reference option. Considering in this case it is almost a 20% difference in price, the 'Founder's Edition' should be at least 15% better out of the box. I'm dubious that is the case....

What I can say is that I have purchased Titans and Titan Xs and sold them for a LOT more than $100 premium around launch. So the demand is definitely there...

You read me right. No thanks to $700 reference model that is simply the $600 model delivered early. But yes, it will find buyers, as your experience proves.

That being said, Lightning, Classified, and all the other high-buck custom treatments only make sense where cooling or power limit overclocks. With this class of card, that typically isn't the case, but I'm sure those versions will be available regardless.

 

[96Firebird]

Speculation indeed, but informed by having closely followed past product releases, and common knowledge that GDDR5X is not available in quantity.

When was the last time Nvidia launched a product (save for the Titan cards) without having non-reference cards available? I can't recall an example in recent time...

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Anyone know if waterblocks will be available on release?

 

[Termie]

When was the last time Nvidia launched a product (save for the Titan cards) without having non-reference cards available? I can't recall an example in recent time...

Aftermarket 980s sold out on day one and weren't available for six weeks. I don't call that truly "available".

If there are aftermarket models available on May 27th at $600, I recommend anyone interested in them buy one that day.

 

[railven]

If there are aftermarket models available on May 27th at $600, I recommend anyone interested in them buy one that day.

Definitely. I waited a bit for Fury X to show up on the market. In that time period a lot of good 980 Ti non-ref models came and went. I ended up just buying a ref model (which worked out best for me), but this time around I'll probably get a good aftermarket model (looking at MSI/EVGA).

 

[AdamK47]

I thought the new cooler was only available on cards sold directly through NVida. They called them "Founders Edition". The Zotac card shows the same cooler.

 

[JDG1980]

Did we ever get any official clarification from Nvidia as to exactly what the "founders" cards are? A lot of people are saying these are just early-release reference cards, but I haven't seen any citations for that. Is it possible there is at least some factory OC involved? That would explain the presentation's mention of 2.1 GHz boost clocks (which is above the standard amount listed on the GTX 1080 webpage).

 

[Rvenger]

Results should be leaked in two days according to Chiphell user purplewolfaaa. Apparently reviewers got the card after the conference.

Ps: I already voiced my opinion on this with mods. IMHO considering this is a news thread, not the 'Pascal Owner's Thread', it should be at the VC&G forum, where almost all news/rumours about new VGAs are posted.

I don't agree and this was my decision. The administration supports me in this decision as well. It is staying here and anything AMD related will go in the AMD subforum. No exceptions.

-Rvenger

 

[Timmah!]

As far as non-ref aftermarket 980Ti´s go, is there any consensus which one was the best?

 

[Good_fella]

Officially:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10304/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-1080-1070

GTX1080 stock is 1607MHz core and 1733MHz boost
So 2144MHz is not 13% OC but 24%

That's not how GeForce clocks work. The published clock is not the in-game clock.

Yes.

 

[Sweepr]

NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1080 NDA lifts on May 17th

According to tweet that has since then been removed by the author, NVIDIA will lift NDA for reviews on May 17th:
FYI: Embargo for all the PASCAL info we’re getting today and @nvidia GTX 1080 reviews is May 17th

NVIDIA has been very generous during Editors day. Attendees received two cards for SLI reviews, so I’m confident there won’t be any problem finding reviews before official launch date.

http://videocardz.com/59695/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-reviews-on-may-17th

Agreed. +1 for that

Unfortunately many people don't visit this subforum, and we're already seeing new (unnecessary) threads about Pascal in the main forum.

 

[DiogoDX]

Wow. They gave away a 1000 gtx770.

 

[kithylin]

We already know firestrike score.
25% faster than 980TI.

I am more interested in 1070 than 700USD 1080.Why they didnt show 1070 specs?And it looks like reviews have only 1080 samples not 1070.So 1070 reviews will be on July 10?

Actually (Unless I'm missing something) we only have "Leaked" firestrike scores from about a week ago. Which are actually from random postings on the internet with no way to actually confirm they were even GTX 1080, or some random person re-writing drivers to make their GTX 980 TI appear as a 1080 in results.

I've been digging and have yet to find any actual published-and-confirmed benchmark results, from actual verifiable review sites for either GTX 1080 or GTX 1070 anywhere online.

So I'm not trying to start an argument but.. no. We do not "Already Know" firestrike scores, as of yet.

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2427-difference-between-gtx-1080-founders-edition-and-reference

Founder's Edition explained.

 

[Det0x]

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2427-difference-between-gtx-1080-founders-edition-and-reference

Founder's Edition explained.

• Every single instance of “Founder's Edition” can be replaced with the word “Reference,” using previous-gen nomenclature. There is not one difference in its market positioning. They are synonymous. NVidia has replaced its “Reference” name with “Founder's Edition.”

• There are not two GTX 1080 models made by nVidia. Only the “Founder's Edition” exists; there is not a cheaper card made by nVidia than the $700 Founder's Edition, which ships first.

• Just to be clear: nVidia is making one official GTX 1080 and one official GTX 1070 model.

• The “Founder's Edition” is not specially binned.

• The “Founder's Edition” is not pre-overclocked.

• This card is not "limited edition," despite its name that would indicate as much, and will run production through the life of the GTX 1080 product line.

There you have it.. If you want a card at "launch" you have to pay 700$ for a stock reference card.

Or you can wait 1-2 months to buy a aftermarket one for 600$

Genuius Nvidia pr marketing :thumbsup:

 

[Termie]

^ I called it.

And I'm not happy about it.

This.

I doubt very highly that the founder cards will clock higher. Heck, the 2144MHz overclock they showed off was only about 13% above stock in game boost clock. The cooler likely is more expensive to produce than open air models, but not $100 more.

Of course all of this makes sense if you look back to 2014. For about six weeks after launch of the 980, supplies were so limited that you could only buy it direct from nvidia, and premiums were collected by eBay resellers.

Nvidia is making the nvidia-direct approach official, and absorbing the premium that resellers would otherwise collect.

This hits EVGA owners especially hard, as many that recently bought a card will not be able to step up.

And while board partners are probably upset about it, nvidia is giving them a chance to clear inventory, as the GTX 980 Ti can easily continue to sell for $600 as long as the 1080 is $700, in short supply, and only available on the nvidia website, where more casual shoppers will not know to look.

 

[Sweepr]

Five Marvels of Pascal: Asynchronous Compute Advances

NVIDIA engineered the Pascal architecture to handle the massive computing demands of technologies like VR. It incorporates five transformational technologies:
- Next-Gen GPU Architecture. Pascal is optimized for performance per watt. The GTX 1080 is 3x more power efficient than the Maxwell Architecture.

- 16nm FinFET Process. The GTX 1080 is the first gaming GPUs designed for the 16nm FinFET process, which uses smaller, faster transistors that can be packed together more densely. Its 7.2 billion transistors deliver a dramatic increase in performance and efficiency.
Advanced Memory.

- Pascal-based GPUs are the first to harness the power of 8GB of Micron’s GDDR5X memory. The 256-bit memory interface runs at 10Gb/sec., helping to drive 1.7x higher effective memory bandwidth than that delivered by regular GDDR5.

- Superb Craftsmanship. Increases in bandwidth and power efficiency allow the GTX 1080 to run at clock speeds never before possible — over 1700 MHz — while consuming only 180 watts of power. “New asynchronous compute advances improve efficiency and gaming performance.” And new GPU Boost™ 3 technology supports advanced overclocking functionality.

Groundbreaking Gaming Technology. NVIDIA is changing the face of gaming from development to play to sharing. New NVIDIA VRWorks™ software features let game developers bring unprecedented immersiveness to gaming environments. NVIDIA’s Ansel™ technology lets gamers share their gaming experiences and explore gaming worlds in new ways.

http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080


Pascal: GP104 Overview

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/20160507_756233.html

 

[AdamK47]

• Every single instance of “Founder's Edition” can be replaced with the word “Reference,” using previous-gen nomenclature. There is not one difference in its market positioning. They are synonymous. NVidia has replaced its “Reference” name with “Founder's Edition.”

• There are not two GTX 1080 models made by nVidia. Only the “Founder's Edition” exists; there is not a cheaper card made by nVidia than the $700 Founder's Edition, which ships first.

• Just to be clear: nVidia is making one official GTX 1080 and one official GTX 1070 model.

• The “Founder's Edition” is not specially binned.

• The “Founder's Edition” is not pre-overclocked.

• This card is not "limited edition," despite its name that would indicate as much, and will run production through the life of the GTX 1080 product line.

There you have it.. If you want a card at "launch" you have to pay 700$ for a stock reference card.

Or you can wait 1-2 months to buy a aftermarket one for 600$

Genuius Nvidia pr marketing :thumbsup:

Where are you getting this 1-2 month time frame from?

 

[Det0x]

^ I called it.

And I'm not happy about it.

Yeah i know, and i called it back on page 65 and onwards in this thread.. ()

1080 (non Ti) ~ aftermarket 980 Ti (20% faster than stock 980 Ti)
1070 ~ stock 980 Ti

Yes i full heartedly agree with you.. but earlier leaks have shown the very same low performance delta between 1080 and aftermarket 980ti. (like pretty much all sold 980ti are)

Its just that some people are so blinded by their own bias that they refuse to believe anything to the contrary.







You can read the the rest back on page 64 in this thread. ()

If the rumored price of 649+$ is true, i would deem the whole geforce pascal to be a utter failure, possible even GP100 too. :'( Remember we haven't seen any working silicon yet and a recent article on SA could point to why. ()

 

[96Firebird]

Where are you getting this 1-2 month time frame from?

Flying around in the air somewhere, only seen by those who want to believe it to be true.

 

[nvgpu]

Just ignore these trolls and their selective quoting and read the link instead.

These trolls are still bitter that there's massive quantities of GTX 1080 & 1070 cards available at launch and they actually believe Raja Koduri the liar lies about being months ahead.

You have earned your removal of VC&G access for 30 days.

-Rvenger

 

[Sweepr]

So 25% better than a Geforce GTX 980 Ti and (possibly, demoed at 2.1 GHz) significant overclocking headroom is now considered a failure. Unsurprisingly that's coming from the same people who told us we wouldn't see Pascal till months after the competitor's FinFET products. Can't wait to see how 'mainstream desktop' Ellesmere compares to NVIDIA's 'failure'.

 

[Det0x]

So 25% better than a Geforce GTX 980 Ti and (possibly, demoed at 2.1 GHz) significant overclocking headroom is now considered a failure. Unsurprisingly that's coming from the same people who told us we wouldn't see Pascal till months after the competitor's FinFET products. Can't wait to see how 'mainstream desktop' Ellesmere compares to NVIDIA's 'failure'.

Guess i have to repeat myself one more time:

If the rumored price of 649+$ is true

And what did we get ? 700$

• reference 1080 is ~25% faster than reference 980Ti

• reference 1080 is ~0-5% faster than then aftermarket 980TI (the actual one that people owns)

• overclocked 1080 is ~20-25 faster than then aftermarket 980TI (24% increase in boostclock don't mean 24% faster overall)

Worth it for 700$ ? Not for me at least, but then again we have:

Genuius Nvidia pr marketing :thumbsup:

.. So iam sure they will do fine

 

[alcoholbob]

Blood and Wine releasing May 30. I feel this is Nvidia Shenanigans to get people to buy Pascal. lmao.