NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[kithylin]

So people are just paying for early stock or maybe a fancy badge?

If you were to go see the link, and watch his (short) video it would all be explained.

nVidia is offering "their own stock" cards at $700, which will likely be the "middle ground" and let their board partners (MSI, Asus, EVGA, ETC.) sell them at the MSRP of $600 and under-cut nvidia. But nvidia is releasing theirs first and delaying the release from board partners by a couple weeks. And then board partners are free to do anything they want with em. Custom PCB. Overclocks. Fancy coolers, etc. Board partners can not charge below the $600 MSRP, but they can mark it up anywhere between $600 and $700. And then later other board partners may offer "hybrid" cooling solutions or full waterblock'ed editions for "above $700". At least that's what nvidia is thinking based on what happened with 900 series.

 

[Timmah!]

According to some rumors from AIBs, top-end custom GP104 will be clocked @ 2.4GHz! 12 teraflops FP32, near 25 teraflops FP16.

Please, be true.

 

[Mopetar]

Do you realize that FLOPS means nothing? There is 32% gap in terms of FLOPS between GTX 970 and GTX 980 but performance gap is nowhere near to this in most cases. Look at Kepler (GTX 670 and GTX 680). FLOPS gap is 25% but GTX 670 is nearly as powerful as GTX 680.

At the lower resolutions it doesn't have as much of an impact, but when comparing the high end cards it's probably better to look at relative performance at higher resolutions. If you're getting a 1080 or 1070 to game at 1080p you're wasting money in my opinion.

 

[exar333]

At the lower resolutions it doesn't have as much of an impact, but when comparing the high end cards it's probably better to look at relative performance at higher resolutions. If you're getting a 1080 or 1070 to game at 1080p you're wasting money in my opinion.

60hz sure. But what about 144hz (or higher)? Really depends on what you want to play and what your requirements are. It really differs from person to person. But definitely, a 1080SLI setup for a 1080P 60hz screen would be huge overkill.

 

[Sweepr]

Gigabyte teasing the first custom Geforce GTX 1080:

June 2016.

 

[DooKey]

I'm definitely waiting on the AIB cards to release before I make a purchase. A couple of extra weeks won't kill me......I hope!

 

[mohit9206]

I believe for those who wait a bit, Nvdia will cut the price of 1070 shortly after Polaris 10 comes out starting a price war. So its best to just wait and snag a 1070 for around $300 instead of paying $440 for 1070 at launch. Unless you absolutely must need to buy at launch for some reason, best to hold out a while and get a great deal once price war starts.

 

[Qwertilot]

Think they'll intend the 1070 to be enough ahead to keep its price point at least medium term.

If they want to start a price war they'd be much more likely to do with the 1050/60's which seem to be due soon, but really not NV's style!

Best to wait for all the AIB things to roll out in sane quantities/early glitches etc sorted out anyway

 

[moonbogg]

Think they'll intend the 1070 to be enough ahead to keep its price point at least medium term.

If they want to start a price war they'd be much more likely to do with the 1050/60's which seem to be due soon, but really not NV's style!

Best to wait for all the AIB things to roll out in sane quantities/early glitches etc sorted out anyway

I'm curious about what the 1060 (1060Ti) will be like. Probably a 1070 cut down and clocked less maybe. It must be hard coming up with a decent mid range card when your real mid range card is parading around like a high end.

Also, incase it wasn't explained well enough.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-1070-1080-founders-edition-explained.html
Founders card is reference. Nothing more, nothing less. They are literally charging an extra $100 for the lolz.

I'll just come right out and say it. Nvidia pushed it too far this time and they slapped us in the face to boot. I want to see these new 1000 series cards get trashed all over social media hard. They deserve it. I want memes, dislikes and trash talking all over the place. I want demands for an explanation of the ridiculous and insulting prices.

 

[RussianSensation]

Gigabyte teasing the first custom Geforce GTX 1080:

June 2016.

:thumbsup:

If Gigabyte launches the Xtreme card with 2.3-2.4Ghz boost right off the bat, that's a game changer. That's a 32-38% overclock out of the box.

Best to wait for all the AIB things to roll out in sane quantities/early glitches etc sorted out anyway

I agree. Unless going with Tri- or Quad-SLI, or using water blocks, the reference cards are a waste of $. They probably won't have 0% fan operation at idle/low 3D speeds, will still lag after-market cards in noise levels at load, component quality won't be as good compared to Military Grade and Asus Power Kit components, etc. Since now NV is jacking up the price of reference 1080 cards $100, we should have Gigabyte Xtreme for $699.

Founders card is reference. Nothing more, nothing less. They are literally charging an extra $100 for the lolz.

I'll just come right out and say it. Nvidia pushed it too far this time and they slapped us in the face to boot. I want to see these new 1000 series cards get trashed all over social media hard. They deserve it. I want memes, dislikes and trash talking all over the place. I want demands for an explanation of the ridiculous and insulting prices.

Ya, it is a bit of a sick joke. No way is that vapor chamber heatsink worth $100 considering GTX580 had a vapor chamber, was a flagship Big Fermi and cost $499. The competition managed to add AIO CLC on a $649 card. I'd be willing to consider paying $100 premium for a factory pre-overclocked card that has an AIO CLC given how awesome they are, but $70-100 premium for a crappy blower?

 

[Arachnotronic]

:thumbsup:

If Gigabyte launches the Xtreme card with 2.3-2.4Ghz boost right off the bat, that's a game changer. That's a 32-38% overclock out of the box.

If Gigabyte does it, then everyone else will be able to as well. If this is the kind of performance we can get even for $700-$750, that's a reasonable deal.

I will probably get the Founders Edition cards (there's just something nice about having the "official" card), but it'll be fun to follow the custom AIB releases as well.

 

[Kris194]

At the lower resolutions it doesn't have as much of an impact, but when comparing the high end cards it's probably better to look at relative performance at higher resolutions. If you're getting a 1080 or 1070 to game at 1080p you're wasting money in my opinion.

You couldn't be more wrong. For example, did you see how demanding is GTAV when maxed out at 1080p with MSAA x4? Noot to mention that I don't overclock my hardware

 

[DDH]

:thumbsup:

If Gigabyte launches the Xtreme card with 2.3-2.4Ghz boost right off the bat, that's a game changer. That's a 32-38% overclock out of the box.

Where has this 2.3 - 2.4 value come from? Nvidia showcased a reference aka founder card at 2114. If they could have squeezed more out of it they would have, It was in there best interest to demonstrate that absolute best. And now AIBs will be able to find an additional 200mhz more? IMO this has shiftedfrom speculation to delusion

 

[Spanners]

I should also add that people who think that GTX 1070/1080 don't represent good values are 100% free not to buy them.

I've always thought that Pascal promoted a belief that family is of fundamental importance. Good core values.

Thanks for explaining choice though, nobody here knew they had it until this post, emancipated.

 

[railven]

Where has this 2.3 - 2.4 value come from? Nvidia showcased a reference aka founder card at 2114. If they could have squeezed more out of it they would have, It was in there best interest to demonstrate that absolute best. And now AIBs will be able to find an additional 200mhz more? IMO this has shiftedfrom speculation to delusion

If you're going by the demo that showed the 2.1ghz, it was FPS locked to 60.

So there is definitely the possibility of more headroom.

 

[pj-]

If you're going by the demo that showed the 2.1ghz, it was FPS locked to 60.

So there is definitely the possibility of more headroom.

Why does being locked to 60fps mean there is more headroom? If anything that would make me question how much higher it can go. What if you uncap that demo and it runs at 100fps and 80C? It would actually downclock slightly at that point if it's anything like a 980ti.

 

[DDH]

If you're going by the demo that showed the 2.1ghz, it was FPS locked to 60.

So there is definitely the possibility of more headroom.

How do you determine that from the demo? For sure there is the possibility, just as there is the possibility that 2114 was the highest before artifact's started to appear. But how does a 60fps locked demo indicate one way or the other?

 

[coercitiv]

I will probably get the Founders Edition cards (there's just something nice about having the "official" card), but it'll be fun to follow the custom AIB releases as well.

There may be something nice about it, but it's quite clear you don't have a choice on the matter: it's either the reference card or the iGPU.

This also sheds new light on RussianSensation's assessment on constant upgrades, since his TCO calculations now have to "add" about $100 loss for each early jump from one generation to another.

Someone at Nvidia is definitely getting a raise, funded from this consumer TCO optimization re-funneling. :sneaky:

 

[kithylin]

There may be something nice about it, but it's quite clear you don't have a choice on the matter: it's either the reference card or the iGPU.

This also sheds new light on RussianSensation's assessment on constant upgrades, since his TCO calculations now have to "add" about $100 loss for each early jump from one generation to another.

Someone at Nvidia is definitely getting a raise, funded from this consumer TCO optimization re-funneling. :sneaky:

I guess my upgrade path is fueled by income (and lack of it for the most part) more than anything. But I'm in the "very conservative" group of people that sit back and watch the graphics advancement from the sidelines. I had a pair of HD-4890's way out until about summer 2014. Then I "finally" upgraded away from those to a pair of GTX 470's (Water cooled hydro coppers, delicious power suckers). Then just this past November 2015 I upgraded to a GTX 770 4GB.. mostly because I was offered a deal I couldn't refuse from a close friend for less than half market price.. else I'd be stuck in that GTX 470's boat.

I'm more looking towards what kind of performance we'll get from either the 1060 or the 1050 .. something down at the $120 - $200 range I might could afford and see if it might have more than 4GB of ram and at least match or beat my 770 in performance.. new platform (Pascal) would bring dx12 in hardware from nvidia (FINALLY!) for the first time, and probably even better power consumption than my 770 is getting me.

I was really hoping for better-than-770 performance from the GTX 960 or something near the $200 mark with the 900 series, but alas, that didn't happen. I thought about a 970, but the messed up ram was a fiasco I pray to the gods nvidia doesn't repeat with the 1000 line, and the 980 was always way out of my price range.

I know some of you are chomping at the bit to jump on the 1080 as soon as it's available, but I'm sure there are others in my area of upgrading like me as well. Likely sitting on something from the 700 line and looking for an affordable upgrade.

I hope we get it this time around with the 1000 series. I really do hope waiting was worth it.

 

[Samwell]

How do you determine that from the demo? For sure there is the possibility, just as there is the possibility that 2114 was the highest before artifact's started to appear. But how does a 60fps locked demo indicate one way or the other?

It seems 2100 was more like the average joes overclock, but it"s going a good bit higher. There are rumours about factory clocked cards with 2,4 ghz boost and a editor who has the cards already teased that 2,1 ghz is a pretty small oc for GP104 (Don't want to link it, because it might lead to trouble for the page)

 

[DDH]

It seems 2100 was more like the average joes overclock, but it"s going a good bit higher. There are rumours about factory clocked cards with 2,4 ghz boost and a editor who has the cards already teased that 2,1 ghz is a pretty small oc for GP104 (Don't want to link it, because it might lead to trouble for the page)

could you pm me the link them?

 

[Kris194]

It seems 2100 was more like the average joes overclock, but it"s going a good bit higher. There are rumours about factory clocked cards with 2,4 ghz boost and a editor who has the cards already teased that 2,1 ghz is a pretty small oc for GP104 (Don't want to link it, because it might lead to trouble for the page)

Is it 2,1 GHz boost or is it 2,1GHz base clock? That's big difference.

 

[mohit9206]

If anybody go with Gigabyte, need to know, that their RMA sucks big time, not to mention their warranty. It is not 3 years from a day of a purchase, but 3 years from a day the graphic card was manufactured(if you register on their site - there is no europe portal! so this option is not available for people living in europe). Nobody checks their forums so don't count on their help.
My experience with them was, they make graphic cards to work for 2 years if your lucky, but as soon you are out of warranty period you are screwed

Do you need to register on their site to avail warranty?

 

[Head1985]

If you're going by the demo that showed the 2.1ghz, it was FPS locked to 60.

So there is definitely the possibility of more headroom.

Its locked because if its locked at 60FPS GPU dont work at 99% and you will have far better temperatures after OC.Just marketing trick and it works how i see it.Just wow.
Nv marketing is really briliant a people are blind to it.

 

[Gunbuster]

My experience with them was, they make graphic cards to work for 2 years if your lucky, but as soon you are out of warranty period you are screwed

And the secret to that is Amex extended warranty. Having a shorter manufacturer warranty is better because you can get your money back sooner for a new card.