NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[MrTeal]

I'm about to pull the trigger on 2 * GTX 1080 FE and two waterblocks. D:

Which waterblocks?

 

[KaRLiToS]

Which waterblocks?

http://www.ncix.com/search/?qcatid=0&q=Gtx+1080+block

I don't know if I'll be able to hold until GP 102 and Vega. Polaris seems meh.

 

[Rvenger]

I dont think the Strix is coming out within 10 days. But rather 15-19 days. So if you only have 10 days, the Strix most likely isn't for you.

Ehh, I'll go EVGA or MSI if I have to. Strix would go with my rig and I like the pricing.

390x sold - Check
5820k sold - Check

 

[torlen11cc]

I dont think the Strix is coming out within 10 days. But rather 15-19 days. So if you only have 10 days, the Strix most likely isn't for you.

ASUS ROG Strix 1080 tested, boost 1936mhz, OC to 2.1ghz @ 68C
It hit the OC wall at 2.1 GHz...

 

[MrTeal]

http://www.ncix.com/search/?qcatid=0&q=Gtx+1080+block

I don't know if I'll be able to hold until GP 102 and Vega. Polaris seems meh.

Ah, I was hoping someone else had come out with a block. I have an EK flow bridge I want to reuse so I'm partial to buying their blocks, but not being able to use the HB SLI bridge with the reference 1080 waterblocks is really throwing up a red flag. Hopefully by the time custom blocks come out they'll either have clearance for the new SLI bridge, or an aftermarket high bandwidth bridge will be available without the garish triangle look that fits better.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://videocardz.com/60666/inno3d-teases-geforce-gtx-1060

 

[StinkyPinky]

Wow the 1070 is a beast. I can see this card being popular for years. The new 8800GT?

Finally some real movement in the industry.

 

[kithylin]

Here you go folks! EK blocks! Full-cover waterblocks for GTX 1080 Founders edition. In stock and shipping now.

Copper + Clear-Plexi Cover: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx

Acetal: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-acetal

Nickel + Clear-Plexi Cover: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-nickel

Acetal + Nickel: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-acetal-nickel

GTX 1080 Founders Edition Backplate. Black anodized aluminum: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-backplate-black

 

[Head1985]

Wow the 1070 is a beast. I can see this card being popular for years. The new 8800GT?

Finally some real movement in the industry.

What?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2365
Wake me up when GTX1070 is for 200USD and offers 95% of GTX1080 performance(just like 8800GT vs 8800GTX)

 

[kithylin]

What?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2365
Wake me up when GTX1070 is for 200USD and offers 95% of GTX1080 performance(just like 8800GT vs 8800GTX)

I think you haven't read any of the reviews posted on the previous page then.

The default founders edition is s--- and junk and if you see these other reviews that do a "Default test" of just running it without manually increasing the fan for it, then it's going to score low and look less because of boost-throttling.

But when you see here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/29/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_founders_edition_preview/10

The GTX 1070... when the fan is pushed up and overclocked core speed -IS- within 5% of the GTX 1080 already. And a good majority of the aftermarket cards will fix the throttling with better cooling, and most likely release with overclocked versions that will run near this performance shown here, and then we'll have it.

 

[x3sphere]

I think you haven't read any of the reviews posted on the previous page then.

The default founders edition is s--- and junk and if you see these other reviews that do a "Default test" of just running it without manually increasing the fan for it, then it's going to score low and look less because of boost-throttling.

But when you see here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/29/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_founders_edition_preview/10

The GTX 1070... when the fan is pushed up and overclocked core speed -IS- within 5% of the GTX 1080 already. And a good majority of the aftermarket cards will fix the throttling with better cooling, and most likely release with overclocked versions that will run near this performance shown here, and then we'll have it.

Not sure how that invalidates his point. Still going to be like 20-25% slower compared to 1080 OC. The 8800 GT and GTX were almost neck and neck regardless. Don't get me wrong, 1070 is a great card in today's market, but nowhere near 8800 GT level.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think you haven't read any of the reviews posted on the previous page then.

The default founders edition is s--- and junk and if you see these other reviews that do a "Default test" of just running it without manually increasing the fan for it, then it's going to score low and look less because of boost-throttling.

But when you see here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/29/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_founders_edition_preview/10

The GTX 1070... when the fan is pushed up and overclocked core speed -IS- within 5% of the GTX 1080 already. And a good majority of the aftermarket cards will fix the throttling with better cooling, and most likely release with overclocked versions that will run near this performance shown here, and then we'll have it.

Nope. His point is 100% valid. For 1070 to be the next 8800GT, it would need to cost $200-250 and be 90-95% as fast as the Big Pascal 1080Ti (that's 8800GTX of 8800GT's generation). 1070 is a GTX660Ti of this generation. Sure it beats Titan X but a $399 670 beat the 580 3GB (Titan X) by 20%. 1070 is a worse product than 670 was and it's insulting to compare it to the 8800GT. 8800GT beat AMD's fastest card(s) of that generation, including 2900XT and 3870. That means for 1070 to replicate this feat it would also need to beat all Vega cards. Not happening. 8800GT is a legend.

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The main reason 1070 looks so good is related to lack of competition and because 1080 looks so bad in comparison. As far as generational leaps go, 1070 is nothing special, much worse than 560/560Ti -> 670/680.

680 (today's 1080) was an astounding 89% faster than the 560Ti at high resolution gaming. Even 670 (1070Ti we never got) was 75% faster than the 560Ti:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/28.html

780Ti also doubled 580's performance. For Pascal to replicate this feat, the 3840 Pascal HBM2 chip would need to be 2X faster than the Titan X. Pascal is a worse generational leap over Maxwell than Kepler was over Fermi. But like Kepler, Pascal won't age that well because a true DX12 series from NV will be Volta.

Either way, for anyone who is upgrading from 780/970 or lower, there will be Pascal cards worth buying in 2016-2017; so the above points about Pascal failing to match Kepler will be moot. The gamers who will benefit the most are 750-950-960 as that's where performance was still too low for 1080p 60Hz monitors which is what 92% have on Steam.

 

[kithylin]

The main reason 1070 looks so good is related to lack of competition and because 1080 looks so bad in comparison. As far as generational leaps go, 1070 is nothing special, much worse than 560/560Ti -> 670/680.

680 (today's 1080) was an astounding 89% faster than the 560Ti at high resolution gaming. Even 670 (1070Ti we never got) was 75% faster than the 560Ti:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/28.html

780Ti also doubled 580's performance. For Pascal to replicate this feat, the 3840 Pascal HBM2 chip would need to be 2X faster than the Titan X. Pascal is a worse generational leap over Maxwell than Kepler was over Fermi. But like Kepler, Pascal won't age that well because a true DX12 series from NV will be Volta.

Either way, for anyone who is upgrading from 780/970 or lower, there will be Pascal cards worth buying in 2016-2017; so the above points about Pascal failing to match Kepler will be moot. The gamers who will benefit the most are 750-950-960 as that's where performance was still too low for 1080p 60Hz monitors which is what 92% have on Steam.

I'm sort of in that boat. Sitting on a single GTX 770 4GB card and rather low income.. so I'm keeping a close eye on pascal and waiting out to see what the $200 GTX 1060 is like.. a friend of mine is supposed to give me a pair of sexy great-OC'ing 970's but I'm watching pascal performance anyway as a a back up.

Even if I did get the two cards.. past those two as an upgrade then.. I'm guessing most likely that nothing short of the new GTX 1080 will be faster than a pair of 970's @ 1577 mhz (that's what his run at) ? It's looking that way.. and even then a 1080 may not be much of a lead over both of em.

 

[Termie]

Guys, stop complaining and get your history and facts straight.

The 8800GT came out almost a year after the 8800GTX. This is nothing like 1070 to 1080. The comparison is just completely wrong. In fact, if you were being intellectually honest, you'd compare the 1070 to the 8800GT and the 980 Ti to the 8800GTX.

In this accurate comparison, the 1070 is just as big a win for consumers, if not a bit bigger.

The 8800GT retailed for $250 but sold for $300 for months after launch (I know, I bought one), and was slower, not faster than the 8800GTX.

And $300 is $350 today, which you need to note if you are going to make this argument.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Just installed my MSI 1080 FE.

Max boost clock is 1898Mhz, no throttle observed yet.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Just installed my MSI 1080 FE.

Max boost clock is 1898Mhz, no throttle observed yet.

Have you tried to overclock it?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Have you tried to overclock it?

Nope.

 

[guskline]

ShintaiDK: Thank you for the info. I am like going to buy an EVGA GTX 1080 SC, watercool it and move it to my 5960x rig and move my EVGA GTX 980 TI SC watercooled to my 4790k rig.

My goal has been to transition to a single powerful card in each machine with the 5960x having preference of cards. The R9 290s have served me well but a number of games don't support CF or SLI so I'm sticking with single cards.

The suggestion to "wait for Vega" is too far off.

 

[kithylin]

Just installed my MSI 1080 FE.

Max boost clock is 1898Mhz, no throttle observed yet.

This is all highly confusing... so Jayz and the other reviewers out there... (that have been doing this sort of stuff for quite a while now) some how all of them get throttling problems but you don't?

Are you running em with the fans manually set to 80% or something?

 

[OatisCampbell]

Guys, stop complaining and get your history and facts straight.

The 8800GT came out almost a year after the 8800GTX. This is nothing like 1070 to 1080. The comparison is just completely wrong. In fact, if you were being intellectually honest, you'd compare the 1070 to the 8800GT and the 980 Ti to the 8800GTX.

In this accurate comparison, the 1070 is just as big a win for consumers, if not a bit bigger.

The 8800GT retailed for $250 but sold for $300 for months after launch (I know, I bought one), and was slower, not faster than the 8800GTX.

And $300 is $350 today, which you need to note if you are going to make this argument.

That was different times, when there was both competition and hope of it.

Back then, AT called the 8800GT "the only card that matters"" and that is pretty much true for the 1070. (especially the non FEs)

What would you buy from NVIDIA for under $500 but 1070? Zero. (you might even skip the 1080 for a 1070 depending on res)

What would you buy from AMD? A $600 Fury X that the 1070 beats in everything but a couple DX12 games?

The fact that there will theoretically be $379 1070s "should" mean that is "all" anyone with $300-$550 should buy logically.

AMD needs to get Vega out sooner than later or these will be in most people's boxes by the time Vega gets here.

 

[exar333]

Nope.

Have you had a chance to run any benches? I got my hands on an extra 1080 and will be doing some tests on my external GPU connection tomorrow. Interesting to know a good benchmark for what others are seeing. 3dmark11 or fire strike...

 

[LTC8K6]

This is all highly confusing... so Jayz and the other reviewers out there... (that have been doing this sort of stuff for quite a while now) some how all of them get throttling problems but you don't?

Are you running em with the fans manually set to 80% or something?

Is it possible that retail channel FE cards are a little better than early cards sent to reviewers?

 

[kithylin]

Have you had a chance to run any benches? I got my hands on an extra 1080 and will be doing some tests on my external GPU connection tomorrow. Interesting to know a good benchmark for what others are seeing. 3dmark11 or fire strike...

Lots of benchmarks over here: http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_1080/

And go here: http://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced

Click GPU box, type in "1080", select GTX 1080, select your favorite benchmark in the top-right drop-down box above it and click search and view lots of benchmarks to compare to.

 

[exar333]

Lots of benchmarks over here: http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_1080/

And go here: http://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced

Click GPU box, type in "1080", select GTX 1080, select your favorite benchmark in the top-right drop-down box above it and click search and view lots of benchmarks to compare to.

Thanks.

:thumbsup:

 

[kithylin]

Thanks.

:thumbsup:

On hwbot, they only list the fastest one on that page I showed you... like some folks have one mated with a 6700k @ 6.4 ghz. It may be more beneficial to go to the advanced search -> submissions and select the 1080 and like 3dmark firestrike, and view all of the listings.. that way you can get a better idea of performance with "normal" computers. Pro tip.. right click on submission search results and open in new tab instead of clicking on it on hwbot, makes viewing lots of em easier without resetting the search every time.