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Stuka87

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Will it actually be available, though? Nvidia still hasn't nearly caught up with demand for the 1070 and 1080. Considering that they're clearly supply-constrained at this time, wouldn't it make sense for them to focus on the GP104 parts with (presumably) higher profit margins, instead of competing with P10 in the sub-$300 range?

As I recall its something like 86% of the entire GPU market is sub-$300. So while there is less profit in lower end cards, you sell WAY more of them. And its clear that the 1070/1080 are not selling in any sort of high numbers. Sure they sell out of stock fast, but stock is so limited that the overall numbers are still low.

With the 1060 being rumored to be sub-200mm/sq, they will be able to get a lot more of them per wafer, so quantities should be much higher.
 

wingman04

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As I recall its something like 86% of the entire GPU market is sub-$300. So while there is less profit in lower end cards, you sell WAY more of them. And its clear that the 1070/1080 are not selling in any sort of high numbers. Sure they sell out of stock fast, but stock is so limited that the overall numbers are still low.

With the 1060 being rumored to be sub-200mm/sq, they will be able to get a lot more of them per wafer, so quantities should be much higher.
How true, I agree 100%.
 

Qwertilot

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Its the schedule for it - 1070/80 launch getting more towards sane volumes now - and obvious competitive reasons not to go too slowly with it.
 

Sweepr

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NVIDIA just moved forward the release of Geforce GTX 1060 by a month. It will start selling in the very near future. More tomorrow!



Seeing that AMD is ready to release its new Polaris-based Radeon RX 480 graphics card soon and company vice president Raja Koduri steadily managing the Radeon graphics technology business, Nvidia has decided to start selling its GeForce GTX 1060 products, which were originally set to launch in August, in the near future to defend from the competition. With the competition between the next-generation graphics cards shifting forward, graphics card players have turned to focus on preparing for new products.

...With AMD aggressively pushing into the mid-range and mainstream sectors, Nvidia has moved forward the releases of GeForce GTX 1060 products by a month and is likely to reduce their prices to make them more competitive.

Since channels still have many GeForce GTX 960/950 graphics card inventory, Nvidia's sudden change of plans also forced graphics card players to turn to focus on new products instead of clearing inventory.

www.digitimes.com/news/a20160627PD207.html
 

Ajay

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This is interesting. If the 1060 is under $250* - that would be impressive. Especially for performance between the 970 & 980. If AMD's 480 has that kind of performance/dollar, then the consumer will actually benefit from competition for a change :thumbsup:


*edit, originally put $200 by mistake.
 
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Sweepr

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Some new info/rumour about Geforce GTX 1060 by Bench-life. Better translation would be appreciated!

- NDA lifts July 7 (next thursday)
- On sale around July 14
- 3GB and 6GB versions of GP106-300, and two versions of GP106-400 (3GB and 6GB?)
- GP106 with 1250 CUDA cores (GP106-300?) doesn't support SLI
- Geforce GTX 1060 3GB for $249, Geforce GTX 1060 6GB for $299

BenchLife said:
As for the GeForce GTX 1060 listing price, of course, the sources also mentioned, but at this stage is for reference only.

https://benchlife.info/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-launch-mid-of-july-06292016

DigiTimes said:
With AMD aggressively pushing into the mid-range and mainstream sectors, Nvidia has moved forward the releases of GeForce GTX 1060 products by a month and is likely to reduce their prices to make them more competitive.

DigiTimes says they might reduce prices to make them more competitive.
 

R0H1T

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This is interesting. If the 1060 is under $200 - that would be impressive. Especially for performance between the 970 & 980. If AMD's 480 has that kind of performance/dollar, then the consumer will actually benefit from competition for a change :thumbsup:
It's not going to be under 200$ as you can see from the more recent leaks.
Besides when was the last time, after Kepler, that Nvidia has given better perf/$ at launch?
Fury X doesn't count since HBM & the cooling made it way more expensive.
 

ShintaiDK

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The power consumption will be the most interesting part. How close to the magic 75W will it be.

Performance wise the card looks to be great.
 

96Firebird

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Besides when was the last time, after Kepler, that Nvidia has given better perf/$ at launch?

970 comes to mind, but the stipulation that it has to be after Kepler is a bit strange... We've only had the 900-series launch "after Kepler".
 

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I was damn close in buying 2 RX 480's before I stopped myself. I want solid GPU performance in all the titles I play, not half. I bought an MSI GTX 1070 Gaming 8G instead. It should arrive next week or so.

Gonna be fun switching back to Nvidia. I'm hoping for a big upgrade in 4K performance coming from my R9 290. My only concern is OS X support. It sounds like NV won't have Pascal support until August. The fix is to manually enter UEFI BIOS settings and select CPU graphics. It will be a slightly inconvenient couple months.
 

StrangerGuy

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This is interesting. If the 1060 is under $200 - that would be impressive. Especially for performance between the 970 & 980. If AMD's 480 has that kind of performance/dollar, then the consumer will actually benefit from competition for a change :thumbsup:

If the 1060 was between the 970 & 980 for $200 nobody would buy RX480 unless AMD pulls out a miracle driver or their AIBs magically reduces the TDP.
 

LTC8K6

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All of the new cards will improve with driver updates, though. So most likely, neither AMD or NV would gain any big advantage through a driver update.
 

LTC8K6

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When the 950 first came out, it always needed a power connector.

Later, we got versions that did not need a power connector.

Not sure if later chips got better, or the board mfgs saved some board power, or what.
 

Sweepr

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Looking at Radeon RX 480 reviews, I think NVIDIA will be able to play safe with GP106 and still come out competitive. All they need is a 1280 SPs, 48 ROPs, 192-bit VGA at Geforce GTX 1080 clocks and they're already at 4.12 TFLOPs, closer to Geforce GTX 980 (4.61 TFLOPs) than Geforce GTX 970 (3.49 TFLOPS). On the technical side they will probably have a smaller die that draws significantly less power under load than the competition.

Typical gaming power consumption for Geforce GTX 960 is 2/3 that of Geforce GTX 970, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect around 95-110W for Geforce GTX 1060 here.

 
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Ajay

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If the 1060 was between the 970 & 980 for $200 nobody would buy RX480 unless AMD pulls out a miracle driver or their AIBs magically reduces the TDP.

Yeah, that was an error, I should I put under $250 (since I think that is what AMD originally said the 480 would list for). I imagine the top end 1060 will be $279 (MSRP), since it will almost certainly, at this point, best the top end RX480 while being more efficient at the same time (though it will have a bit less GDDR5 DRAM).

AMD really needs a driver fix to give a decent uptick in performance - if they can't manage that, I think the RX480 will be in trouble once the GTX 1060 comes out.
 

Sweepr

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Thanks for sharing dooon.

Looks like the notebook GP106 is right around the corner as well:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti and 1060 are going to be mobile successors to the GTX 950M and 960M



Following the leak we had a few weeks back, we can now confirm for sure that the 1050Ti and 1060 are successors to the mobile GTX 950M and 960M GPUs. Our source also explains that the new chips will feature GDDR5 memory and wider bus width, or at least the 1060. The 1050Ti will have 4GB of 128-bit GDDR5 memory while the 1060 will receive a wider 192-bit 6GB of GDDR5 VRAM.

It seems that the successors of the 950M and 960M will deliver a significant increase in performance not only due to the new Pascal architecture with 16nm FinFET process but also because of the upgraded memory. We are still puzzled with the Ti at the end of the 1050, though. The first time we received this info, we thought that we are talking about a desktop chip but our source assures that the 1060 and 1050Ti are indeed mobile GPUs. And if named correctly, the rumor about skipping the “M” at the end of the Pascal graphics cards might turn out to be true and the line between desktop and mobile cards will be blurred. Moreover, we have a second confirmation that the 1050Ti is codenamed N17P-G1 and the 1060 is N17E-G1.

For now, all the information we have are just small pieces of a larger puzzle and we can’t be 100% sure but we have a good reason to believe that NVIDIA will announce its mobile Pascal lineup at the beginning of August, probably on the 1st.

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/n...be-mobile-successors-to-the-gtx-950m-and-960m

If they can deliver somewhere between Geforce GTX 970/980 performance at <100W TDP it will be a killer mobile gaming GPU.
 
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Qwertilot

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We had short 970's, so short 1070's fairly predictable

Going by those, it might be a bit noisy for noise sensitives - short 1060's should be able to be very quiet. Very nice to see though.
 

StrangerGuy

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We had short 970's, so short 1070's fairly predictable

Going by those, it might be a bit noisy for noise sensitives - short 1060's should be able to be very quiet. Very nice to see though.

I will be remotely surprised if 1060/1050 also is anything but short.

And knowing NV all too well, that I doubt they will be generous with the GP106 cards too. They have the luxury to charge more for the same performance of AMD and get away with it.
 

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So... GTX 1080, $699.99 founder's edition, aftermarket as low as $619

GTX 1070.. founders edition $449, aftermarket as low as $399.99

So far that's -$80 off reference for 1080, and -$50 off for 1070... so I wonder what board partners will offer for aftermarket 1060's.. possibly hitting the below-$200 mark?

Definitely some interesting times ahead.
 

R0H1T

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So... GTX 1080, $699.99 founder's edition, aftermarket as low as $619

GTX 1070.. founders edition $449, aftermarket as low as $399.99

So far that's -$80 off reference for 1080, and -$50 off for 1070... so I wonder what board partners will offer for aftermarket 1060's.. possibly hitting the below-$200 mark?

Definitely some interesting times ahead.
For 3GB variants it's very much plausible however don't expect 6GB AIB models to come in under 250$ at launch; also the reference for 1080 & 1070 aren't FEs so we really aren't getting anything under fair value, the FE stuff is just a scam IMO.
 

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Specs are out!

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 features 1280 CUDA cores, faster than GTX 980 and RX 480







Here they are, first specifications of GeForce GTX 1060. This card features 1280 CUDA cores and 6GB of GDDR5 memory (so quite possibly 192-bit interface). The boost clock is somewhere around 1700 MHz, which gives us maximum compute performance of 4.4 TFLOPs.

NVIDIA rated GTX 1060 at 120W TDP, which is less than Radeon RX 480 (150W). According to leaked slides GTX 1060 will be faster than Radeon RX 480 in terms of performance. It will also be 1.4x more power efficient. However be advised graph values start at 0.8.

In terms of design, it seems that the leaked picture was quite accurate and this is really the new (Founders) design.

More importantly GTX 1060 will launch in July, and the fact that we have these slides already, could further suggest that the rumored launch date is true (7th July).

http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480
 
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