Fantastically ignorant post.
If you would like to know, I grabbed the 5870 at launch and (of course you wouldn't have put in the time to actually research this) but the 480/580 didn't even exist then.
FAIL
The irony now is that NVIDIA need to throw away a lot of that efficiency out the window in order to hold off Intel from making headway into the HPC market.
This is what Pascal will achieve by re-integrating those FP64 units NV threw out with Maxwell. Come Volta, we'll see even more hardware redundancy added to NVIDIAs architecture (potentially re-introducing hardware side scheduling if that's already not going to make a come back with Pascal).
I also expect larger caches in both Pascal and Volta. Further eroding that efficiency lead people praised Kepler and then Maxwell for bringing to the table. We may also see dedicated Asynchronous Compute engines making their way into Volta.
Basically, NVIDIA are heading towards a more GCN-like architecture due to pressures on both the supercomputer end as well as the consumer end with DX12 and Vulkan (let's not forget VR).
AMD will be refining GCN with Polaris and Vega. Introducing efficiency with architectural tweaks aimed at boosting IPC coupled with a 14LPP process.
AMD are chasing VR and looking to also make a return to the HPC market with Zen, high bandwidth point to point interconnect, CUDA to OpenCL conversion and Polaris/Vega based Firepro's.
It will be interesting to see how the three companies look by Q1 2017.
What was i supposed to research? The exact time you got your 5870?
I specifically wrote "If you chose 5870 over 480, then blah blah...). You did not because you got it before 480 was released. Any other reason to call me ignorant?
Way ahead of schedule (the target was late Summer) Micron has started shipping GDDR5X Memory its customers, likely Nvidia first. Micron will offer the ICs in 8 Gb (1 GB) and 16 Gb (2 GB) densities which indeed is indicative for 8GB adn 16GB graphics cards. The upcoming GeForce GTX 1070 and 1080 (if they are named that) already have been indicated as 8GB products.
Im sorry if I missed the point or your intentions but I cant help thinking just how this post sounds like a pure AMD PR spin.
The addition of FP64, NVLink and other GPGPU/HPC related features will most likely feature only in GP100 and whether or not they come enabled in their consumer spin-offs is yet to be seen. Plus double precision floating point does not benefit 3D gaming at all while increasing overall power consumption.
Now last time I heard, the GK210 isn't that bad compared to the latest intel offerings. Furthermore the next generation gets to see a massive node jump where as previously IHVs have been stuck at 28nm so they gone out of there way to do all they can to improve performance while relatively maintaining similiar power consumption to their previous generation(s) of products.
When I look at nVIDIAs GPU advances from Fermi to Kepler to Maxwell, they've made some really good progress technologically. Pascal will add to this seeing as it won't be a completely you uarch. They have their own recipe for success (and this shows in their GPU market share and financial performances) and I dont see them venturing off to something different.
As a consumer, I do get frustrated that old generation products aren't optimised for new games, or perhaps the GPU itself wasn't forward thinking enough but looking at it from their business and engineering perspective its good because it leaves open for more improvement with their next generation of products. By the time we need the actual performance for native DX12 games, new products that are much better at similar price are their as an upgrade path. This performance talk of DX12 this early in the game sort of reminds me of the SM3.0 vs 2.0 debate for example.
P.S. I really do hope zen will be successful. Im sure Polaris and Vega will provide serious competition to nVIDIA but for AMD, zen needs to atleast go close or be par with Intels last gen offerings. But this is OT.
and how exactly are you pulling this stuff out? some kind of a crystal ball ? that defeats the only OFFICIAL thing we know about pascal so farWay to misread his post LOL. If you even looked at the last TOP500,both Nvidia and Intel are represented equally in the top 10.
This is significant especially since Intel has billions of dollars they can throw at this area,where Nvidia had virtually zero competition from AMD in.
Also,the top end cards will be base on the GP100 will have to contend with all the addition stuff which is not relevant for gaming too - it might not affect me as I don't buy super high end cards,but it will for plenty of hardware enthusiasts who do. I also can't see Nvidia launching two 500MM2+ chips this year - one for gaming and one for commercial usage,as it would defeat the whole point of them saying mixed precision is a major thing with Pascal and probably cost more.
According to Bench-life:
- Micron sampling GDDR5X to customers now
- Mass production in August
- Upcoming Pascal and Polaris GPUs to use regular GDDR5 instead
- Early samples reach 10-12 Gbps, 14-16 Gbps at a later date
https://benchlife.info/micron-start-sampling-gddr5x-memory-to-amd-and-nvidia-03242016
On the other hand:
www.guru3d.com/news-story/micron-starts-sampling-gddr5x-memory-to-customers.html
And yet the title says they started 'sampling' which is decisively not 'shipping product in bulk'. So I don't see much difference between the two sources, except Guru3d appears to be spinning the story to make it look like something it isn't.guru3d said:Way ahead of schedule (the target was late Summer) Micron has started shipping GDDR5X Memory its customers
And yet the title says they started 'sampling' which is decisively not 'shipping product in bulk'. So I don't see much difference between the two sources, except Guru3d appears to be spinning the story to make it look like something it isn't.
and on top of that saying that nvidia will likely get an amd technology first D:
According to our sources, next GPU micro architecture Pascal from NVIDIA will be in trouble if it will have to heavly use Asynchronous Compute code in video games.
Broadly speaking, Pascal will be an improved version of Maxwell, especially about FP64 performances, but not about Asyncronous Compute performances. NVIDIA will bet on raw power, instead of Asynchronous Compute abilities. This means that Pascal cards will be highly dependent on driver optimizations and games developers kindness. So, GamesWorks optimizations will play a fundamental role in company strategy. Is it for this reason that NVIDIA has made publicly available some GamesWorks codes?
http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-engli...scal-in-trouble-with-asyncronous-compute-code
Project ‘Greenland’; Leading project of Graphic IP v9.0
As leading chip of first graphic IP v9.0 generation, it has full capacity of 4096 shader processor, along with whole new SOC v15 architecture.
I wonder where GP100 fits here. If Pascal is not a significant departure from past designs like Maxwell, it might pack a significantly higher amount of shaders than GM200.
The rumor is that GP100 is roughly 24 TF HP/12 TF SP/4 TF DP, so that would be double what GM200 is. So you would have to think 6144 cores or roughly around there.
If Vega 10 is 1/2 DP, then 4096 cores would be enough to be about 4 TF DP.
If we believe this, AMD's high-end 2017 Greenland (Vega 10?) packs 4096 shader processors just like Fiji, but of course architecture improvements and higher clocks could lead to significant better performance. Perhaps ~350mm² if 'full' Ellesmere includes 2560 SPs @ 232mm²?
www.linkedin.com/in/yu-zheng-064475a?trk=seokp-title_posts_secondary_cluster_res_author_name
I wonder where GP100 fits here. If Pascal is not a significant departure from past designs like Maxwell, it might pack a significantly higher amount of shaders than GM200.
I don't know why I get excited about this stuff anymore. Its not like I have been playing anything exciting lately except for rocket league. Damn, I'm getting too old for this crap. Eh, I'll still buy them when they come out. The big dogs though, not these mid range crotch fluffer cards.
We never get to oldIt is still enjoyable to watch progress. But I am with you as well. Until The Division most of the games I play could be run on a GTX470 with ease.
I don't know why I get excited about this stuff anymore. Its not like I have been playing anything exciting lately except for rocket league. Damn, I'm getting too old for this crap. Eh, I'll still buy them when they come out. The big dogs though, not these mid range crotch fluffer cards.
amd is the one behind gddr(in general) just like amd is behind hbm too they always got it firstYeah, they provide zero justification about why they would likely ship to nVidia first. The whole thing is written like a forum post.
Why do you say GDDR5x is an AMD technology though?
We never get to old
I remember buying a highend nv 6 series card at launch just to see how doom 3 look. Played for 20 min and that was all this gfx did of gaming at all. Lol.
Fortunately the bf series have my interest and i demands a solid gfx and nv and amd make themselves best here. That greats. Then i can have a new gfx with each new in the series.
Yeaa. Hard to remember you plugged the screen in the right dvi port after 100 hours in tf2 in medium setting using the integrated gfx. Need a tf3 btw.Same here, get a peek at the newest and brightest (we need another crysis ball buster), find some water and jump around etc. Then go back again and load up CS or L4D1/2 @ 200fps ..
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the first time Micron has ventured into graphics memory before - I'm pretty certain any shipping GDDR5 chips I've ever seen were from Samsung / Elpida / SK Hynix and never Micron. They were supposed to have been working on a Hybrid Cube Memory or something like that with Intel to compete with AMD / SK Hynix HBM but it wasn't deemed competitive or ready in time. It's looking like GDDR5/X is just a stop gap for the entry level cards this year in 2016 since HBM2 won't come until next year 2017 with Vega and whatever NVidia comes up with.