NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[Game_dev]

That depends somewhat on whether AMD show up full scale this time - there's fair reason to believe that they will. Last genuine chance to do so if nothing else.

If the Fury launch is anything to go by AMD is in serious trouble.

Pascal is ready to go, I can't wait to upgrade.

 

[SimianR]

If the Fury launch is anything to go by AMD is in serious trouble.

Pascal is ready to go, I can't wait to upgrade.

Fury and the Fury X were really just a stop-gap generation of cards similar to the 6000 series. I get the impression that AMD (and NVIDIA to some extent) really weren't planning on being on 28nm for this long, and the Fury/Fury X suffered for it. I wouldn't count out AMD's next gen GPU's.

 

[Qwertilot]

Wasn't on anyone's plans you'd think but NV had that rather bigger R&D budget to cushion the blow. Very good for that sort of thing

Hopefully we'll be back to AMD having a full stack of competitive cards this time round.

 

[Sweepr]

NVIDIA Pascal “Mobility GeForce” GPUs Arriving in Mid-June – Pitched For Back To School Season

According to information posted by Sweclockers, it is suggested that NVIDIA’s Pascal GPUs will be arriving in mid-June for mobility platforms. Knowing that AMD will also have Polaris based GPUs ready for Mid-2016, it will be good to see more options to select from on notebook platforms. NVIDIA and AMD will be eyeing the Back to School season for the wide availability of their next generation GPUs in notebooks so retail availability by mid of June is a must.

According to the report, NVIDIA has internally disclosed a shipping date of 16th June to their partners for Pascal mobility GPUs. The products would be announced and put on display at Computex 2016 before that which starts in first week of June. In regards to the naming scheme of the new Pascal chips, we have no confirmation on hints. Since the last cards used the GeForce 900 series branding, one would suggest that NVIDIA will use the GeForce 1000 series naming for the new cards but that might not be the case. After the GeForce 9 series cards, NVIDIA jumped to the 200 series nomenclature, since this is the end of the GeForce 900 series, NVIDIA could introduce a new branding for their cards.

www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21820-nvidia-geforce-pascal-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

 

[Silverforce11]

Yerp, why I'm going Ultrawide versus 4K. I get the feeling next gen isn't going to be there yet.

Problem with Ultrawide, so many games don't work well on it. It's even more niche than 4K, as 4K at least maintains the 16:9 ratio.

 

[railven]

Problem with Ultrawide, so many games don't work well on it. It's even more niche than 4K, as 4K at least maintains the 16:9 ratio.

Yeah, I know it's a gamble with some games.

But after using the GF's monitor for a bit, even outside of gaming such as widescreen movies are so much better on it (no black bars!).

But I think I might just wait for HDR monitors to come out, if I'm going to be stuck with a panel for 2+ years might as well get one with as many bells and whistles as possible.

 

[IEC]

NVIDIA Pascal “Mobility GeForce” GPUs Arriving in Mid-June – Pitched For Back To School Season

www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21820-nvidia-geforce-pascal-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

The last paragraph puts a pretty big disclaimer on that "mid-June" date:

Likt tidigare höjs dock ett varningens finger för att planerna kan komma att ändras. Det är fortsatt oklart huruvida Pascal är redo eller om lanseringsfönstret kommer behöva förskjutas, varför SweClockers uppgiftslämnare väljer att se datumet som en preliminär målsättning snarare än något hugget i sten.

They strongly caution that it should not be treated as being set in stone.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

I made the journey into 21:9 (Samsung S29E790C); unfortunately it was a gift from someone who wasn't particularly tech-savvy, so it's not the greatest choice. It's a VA panel and it doesn't support freesync. I would prefer IPS + freesync.

Overall, more games that I play have felt broken than not. Lots of games "support" the resolution, but UI issues are very common. Things being visible that shouldn't be, effects only covering 1920x1080 pixels, mouse input having weird offsets, zoomed in menus so that I can't see the entire thing, etc. Combine that with the characteristic ghosting effect that I've now observed on two VA panels, an effect that I cannot stand, along with the subpar pixel density, (2560x1080 29") I'm not too thrilled with it. The only good thing I can say about it is that the speakers are really good for built-in speakers.

Even in games that do support it perfectly or near perfectly, it doesn't feel that different from regular old 16:9. I also messed around with three display surround in the past, but I didn't like that either. Maybe it's just me.

Worse is that for some reason, games won't run in pillarbox mode, so I'm forced to mess around with the Borderless Gaming software. Worse than that is that for to get the pillarbox effect that I want, I have to run the games on the left of my screen thanks to a limitation of Borderless Gaming. Every game I've found that supports borderless windowed on its own only supports it at the display's native resolution. The entire game being on the left doesn't look that nice on a curved display, although the curve is extremely slight.

The best gaming experience I've had is on a TN 144HZ Asus VG248QE 1080p display with SLI 670s. 980s and 290s with 1440p IPS weren't as good, and 21:9 has too many issues for me. My next monitor will be high, adaptive refresh 16:9.

 

[railven]

I made the journey into 21:9 (Samsung S29E790C); unfortunately it was a gift from someone who wasn't particularly tech-savvy, so it's not the greatest choice. It's a VA panel and it doesn't support freesync. I would prefer IPS + freesync.

Overall, more games that I play have felt broken than not. Lots of games "support" the resolution, but UI issues are very common. Things being visible that shouldn't be, effects only covering 1920x1080 pixels, mouse input having weird offsets, zoomed in menus so that I can't see the entire thing, etc. Combine that with the characteristic ghosting effect that I've now observed on two VA panels, an effect that I cannot stand, along with the subpar pixel density, (2560x1080 29") I'm not too thrilled with it. The only good thing I can say about it is that the speakers are really good for built-in speakers.

Even in games that do support it perfectly or near perfectly, it doesn't feel that different from regular old 16:9. I also messed around with three display surround in the past, but I didn't like that either. Maybe it's just me.

Worse is that for some reason, games won't run in pillarbox mode, so I'm forced to mess around with the Borderless Gaming software. Worse than that is that for to get the pillarbox effect that I want, I have to run the games on the left of my screen thanks to a limitation of Borderless Gaming. Every game I've found that supports borderless windowed on its own only supports it at the display's native resolution. The entire game being on the left doesn't look that nice on a curved display, although the curve is extremely slight.

The best gaming experience I've had is on a TN 144HZ Asus VG248QE 1080p display with SLI 670s. 980s and 290s with 1440p IPS weren't as good, and 21:9 has too many issues for me. My next monitor will be high, adaptive refresh 16:9.

Isn't there an option for that in your GPU? Disable VGA scaling, or something like that.

I could get 4:3 pillar boxing in old games, and I get 16:9 pillar boxing with the GF's monitor.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

It might be a problem with Catalyst/Crimson. I've set scaling to both "preserve aspect ratio" and "center", either of which should solve my problem, but neither have ever done anything on Catalyst or Crimson. It's worked with NV control panel from what I remember. I used it to play 4:3 in older titles as well, never tried it on AMD.

 

[Vesku]

The last paragraph puts a pretty big disclaimer on that "mid-June" date:


They strongly caution that it should not be treated as being set in stone.

Also says "ship to partners" which in the case of a laptop chip means it won't reach retail, barring special rushed limited quantity SKUs, for another 60-90 days or so. Sounds like Nvidia will need a bit of luck to avoid missing back-to-school/tax holiday season entirely.

 

[Mahigan]

If the Fury launch is anything to go by AMD is in serious trouble.

Pascal is ready to go, I can't wait to upgrade.

Polaris is ready, Pascal isn't. Pascal is set for Q3 2016, Polaris for 2H2016. Polaris should arrive around June/July whereas we might see Pascal around August/September.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Problem with Ultrawide, so many games don't work well on it. It's even more niche than 4K, as 4K at least maintains the 16:9 ratio.

I was damn close to jumping on a 21:9 panel this week,i ended up just ordering a QNIX 27'' 1440p.I like the idea of ultrawide for gaming but i do like universal compatibility with a 16:9 resolution with my games and movies.

Having had a Dell U2412M some time ago,16:10 was nice for gaming but come movie time those black bars just drove me nuts.I could only imagine those games that only supported 16:9/16:10 and how they would be on a 21:9.

How are 16:9 movies on a 21:9?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Polaris is ready, Pascal isn't. Pascal is set for Q3 2016, Polaris for 2H2016. Polaris should arrive around June/July whereas we might see Pascal around August/September.

June isn't H2 2016.

And:
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21...l-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

So lets drop the PR

 

[airfathaaaaa]

if those mobiles gpu's are pascal in any way i will jump from a 10ft high cliff

 

[Sweepr]

By now there's multiple reports saying the same thing, at least 1-2 Pascal GPUs might be introduced/launched at Computex or shortly after:

Our source has informed us of the possible presentation of graphics cards lineup based on the various facets of the architecture of NVIDIA Pascal.

April 2016 - GTC: Tesla (GP100)
June 2016 - Computex: GTX 1080 (GP104) & GTX 1070 (GP104)
4Q 2016 - GP106 & GP107
4Q 2016 or 1Q 2017 - Titan (GP100)
1Q / 2Q 2017 - GP108 (GM108 rebrand ?)

It begins in April, with the Tesla board, based on GPU GP100, and dedicated to the HPC market. 'S Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory have already announced that they will make extensive use. The first dedicated to the consumer market cards, will be those with GPU GP104, always produced with FF16 node ++ TSMC. They should be submitted to COMPUTEX in Taipei, but the market should start only from 3Q 2016 ( As anticipammo ). Later will be presented the lower-end cards, and the Titan range top.

www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/6621-rumor-scaletta-di-presentazione-delle-gpu-pascal

When the introductions are supposed to take place so far has been shrouded in mystery, but now vBulletin reveal that Nvidia has set his sights on the summer. More specifically, the company intends to announce the architecture Pascal for consumers at Computex 2016, which focused primarily will be on gaming notebooks.

The plans may be subject to change. According to the same data are ambiguities around when Pascal is ready, then Nvidia encountered problems. The goal is to launch sharply in mid-June, but the likelihood that the launch window will be moved to later described as great.

As the focus of the launch of Pascal is expected to be on laptops, it's probably not about GP100 - the next monster circuit with an assumed number of transistors on the whole 17 billion . Instead, it is probably an outright replacement for GM204 and GM206, which is used by the Geforce GTX 965M up to the GTX 980th

www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21783-nvidia-geforce-pascal-till-computex-2016

When the introductions are supposed to take place so far has been shrouded in mystery, but now vBulletin reveal that Nvidia has set his sights on the summer. More specifically, the company intends to announce the architecture Pascal for consumers at Computex 2016, which focused primarily will be on gaming notebooks.

The plans may be subject to change. According to the same data are ambiguities around when Pascal is ready, then Nvidia encountered problems. The goal is to launch sharply in mid-June, but the likelihood that the launch window will be moved to later described as great.

As the focus of the launch of Pascal is expected to be on laptops, it's probably not about GP100 - the next monster circuit with an assumed number of transistors on the whole 17 billion . Instead, it is probably an outright replacement for GM204 and GM206, which is used by the Geforce GTX 965M up to the GTX 980th

www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21783-nvidia-geforce-pascal-till-computex-2016


NVIDIA Pascal “Mobility GeForce” GPUs Arriving in Mid-June – Pitched For Back To School Season

According to information posted by Sweclockers, it is suggested that NVIDIA’s Pascal GPUs will be arriving in mid-June for mobility platforms. Knowing that AMD will also have Polaris based GPUs ready for Mid-2016, it will be good to see more options to select from on notebook platforms. NVIDIA and AMD will be eyeing the Back to School season for the wide availability of their next generation GPUs in notebooks so retail availability by mid of June is a must.

According to the report, NVIDIA has internally disclosed a shipping date of 16th June to their partners for Pascal mobility GPUs. The products would be announced and put on display at Computex 2016 before that which starts in first week of June. In regards to the naming scheme of the new Pascal chips, we have no confirmation on hints. Since the last cards used the GeForce 900 series branding, one would suggest that NVIDIA will use the GeForce 1000 series naming for the new cards but that might not be the case. After the GeForce 9 series cards, NVIDIA jumped to the 200 series nomenclature, since this is the end of the GeForce 900 series, NVIDIA could introduce a new branding for their cards.

www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21820-nvidia-geforce-pascal-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

 

[Hitman928]

June isn't H2 2016.

And:
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21...l-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

So lets drop the PR

released on the 16 June to its partner manufacturers

It remains unclear whether Pascal is ready or if the launch window will have to be moved

see the date as an interim goal rather than something set in stone

Sounds to me like June is a pretty big stretch for actual availability.

 

[Timmah!]

NVIDIA Pascal “Mobility GeForce” GPUs Arriving in Mid-June – Pitched For Back To School Season



www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21820-nvidia-geforce-pascal-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

Who cares about mobile parts, haha

 

[Sweepr]

Who cares about mobile parts, haha

A lot of people do, especially if they dramatically improve perf/watt.
There's more to PC gaming than desktops.

 

[raghu78]

Polaris is ready, Pascal isn't. Pascal is set for Q3 2016, Polaris for 2H2016. Polaris should arrive around June/July whereas we might see Pascal around August/September.

We have official statements on Polaris availability from Raja Koduri (RTG head) and Robert Hallock(Technical marketing at RTG). btw its mid-2016 and not 2H 2016. That narrows it down to June/July.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/15/a...-to-full-graphics-immersion-with-16k-screens/

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-technologies-group-ama-live-blog/

" I interviewed Koduri at the 2016 International CES, the big tech trade show in Las Vegas last week. He acknowledged that AMD intends to put graphics back in the center. And he said that 2016 will be a very big year for the company as it introduces its advanced FinFET manufacturing technology, which will result in much better performance per watt — or graphics that won’t melt your computer. Koduri believes this technology will help AMD beat rivals such as Nvidia. AMD’s new graphics chips will hit during the middle of 2016, Koduri said."

For Nvidia there is no such official statements. Its basically speculation. Nvidia will have a chance to discuss Pascal and give a launch timeline at GTC 2016 and Computex 2016. So till Nvidia talks about Pascal all people are doing is guessing.

June isn't H2 2016.

And:
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21...l-for-barbara-datorer-slapps-i-mitten-av-juni

So lets drop the PR

dude you are the one who is providing PR for Nvidia. Nvidia has not made any official statements on Pascal launch and availability. There is a good chance Nvidia talk at GTC 2016. But till then all you are doing is taking rumours and propagating it as the truth. So once again who is doing PR.

 

[Timmah!]

A lot of people do, especially if they dramatically improve perf/watt.
There's more to PC gaming than desktops.

Obviously i was joking. Still u have to admit, especially on these boards people seem to be more into high-end kind of stuff and building their rigs, which mobile parts and laptops are not about.

 

[Arachnotronic]

We have official statements on Polaris availability from Raja Koduri (RTG head) and Robert Hallock(Technical marketing at RTG). btw its mid-2016 and not 2H 2016. That narrows it down to June/July.

Companies typically break down "early," "mid," and "late" into the following:

Early: Jan-Apr
Mid: May-Aug
Late: Sept-Dec

So expect Polaris to arrive anywhere from May to Aug.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/15/a...-to-full-graphics-immersion-with-16k-screens/

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-technologies-group-ama-live-blog/

" I interviewed Koduri at the 2016 International CES, the big tech trade show in Las Vegas last week. He acknowledged that AMD intends to put graphics back in the center. And he said that 2016 will be a very big year for the company as it introduces its advanced FinFET manufacturing technology, which will result in much better performance per watt — or graphics that won’t melt your computer. Koduri believes this technology will help AMD beat rivals such as Nvidia. AMD’s new graphics chips will hit during the middle of 2016, Koduri said."

For Nvidia there is no such official statements. Its basically speculation. Nvidia will have a chance to discuss Pascal and give a launch timeline at GTC 2016 and Computex 2016. So till Nvidia talks about Pascal all people are doing is guessing.

Of course there are no such official statements. AMD needs to appease investors who are suffering because the stock price remains in the doldrums & needs to reassure them that AMD won't be going bankrupt anytime soon. This is why the minute they could show off Polaris silicon, they drummed up a lot of hype.

NVIDIA on the other hand can't afford to "Osborne" their current product lineup, so aside from "Pascal is coming in 2016" they basically need to STFU and not give too many details otherwise people who are "on the fence" about whether they want to upgrade or not might choose not to if they knew the exact Pascal product release dates.

With the "uncertainty" and "vagueness" in the air, people are more inclined to buy current NVIDIA GPUs should they need them now.

dude you are the one who is providing PR for Nvidia. Nvidia has not made any official statements on Pascal launch and availability. There is a good chance Nvidia talk at GTC 2016. But till then all you are doing is taking rumours and propagating it as the truth. So once again who is doing PR.

I think saying that ShintaiDK is "providing PR for NVIDIA" is uncalled for. Let me remind you that ahead of the Fury/Fury X launches, you were posting on practically every major forum (AnandTech, OCN, S|A) about how Fury was going to dominate NVIDIA's offerings.

Now, I'm not accusing you of "doing AMD PR," but the "enthusiasm" that some people here have for upcoming NVIDIA product is nowhere close to how aggressively you promoted Fiji and AMD around here in general. Why are you allowed to be enthusiastic about AMD's unreleased/unknown products but people like ShintaiDK aren't allowed to be enthusiastic about NVIDIA's upcoming products without being called "NVIDIA PR", especially when NVIDIA has a track record of delivering solid products (i.e. they ruined the Fury X launch for AMD with a cut-down GM200 that came outta nowhere)?

Anyway, I am excited about 14/16nm GPUs from both camps and am looking forward to a big upgrade once these new chips are out. I lean ever-so-slightly towards an NVIDIA card simply because I have a number of G-Sync monitors, but if AMD is out first/has a better product, I will pony up for a FreeSync display and sell a G-Sync one.

 

[tential]

Agreed archnotronic. I saw those comments about fury and even fury/Fiji notebooks lol.... (which I bought that hype)

So there are enthusiastic people on both sides...

 

[Arachnotronic]

Agreed archnotronic. I saw those comments about fury and even fury/Fiji notebooks lol.... (which I bought that hype)

So there are enthusiastic people on both sides...

Yep.

 

[Sweepr]

Now, I'm not accusing you of "doing AMD PR," but the "enthusiasm" that some people here have for upcoming NVIDIA product is nowhere close to how aggressively you promoted Fiji and AMD around here in general. Why are you allowed to be enthusiastic about AMD's unreleased/unknown products but people like ShintaiDK aren't allowed to be enthusiastic about NVIDIA's upcoming products without being called "NVIDIA PR", especially when NVIDIA has a track record of delivering solid products (i.e. they ruined the Fury X launch for AMD with a cut-down GM200 that came outta nowhere)?

I don't get it either. For whatever reason some people want NVIDIA to screw up or delay their next-gen cards. To me it looks like NVIDIA will have 16nm consumer products soon after Computex in some form, perhaps GM204 and/or GM206 or even smaller chips.