NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[Arachnotronic]

I don't get it either. For whatever reason some people want NVIDIA to screw up or delay their next-gen cards. To me it looks like NVIDIA will have 16nm consumer products soon after Computex in some form, perhaps GM204 and/or GM206 or even smaller chips.

Right? Anybody who thinks AMD won't deliver is a "shill" or "NVIDIA fanboy," but the same people who point those fingers are sitting there licking their chops about the prospect of NVIDIA being "late" to 16nm Pascal GPUs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

dude you are the one who is providing PR for Nvidia. Nvidia has not made any official statements on Pascal launch and availability. There is a good chance Nvidia talk at GTC 2016. But till then all you are doing is taking rumours and propagating it as the truth. So once again who is doing PR.

Really, from you? 40% AMD share and so on with Fiji? And do I even have to mention your "TechResearch" investor posts?

Mahigan have championed AMD to the sky and beyond. Best buddies with Oxide employees too.

 

[DooKey]

Companies typically break down "early," "mid," and "late" into the following:

Early: Jan-Apr
Mid: May-Aug
Late: Sept-Dec

So expect Polaris to arrive anywhere from May to Aug.



Of course there are no such official statements. AMD needs to appease investors who are suffering because the stock price remains in the doldrums & needs to reassure them that AMD won't be going bankrupt anytime soon. This is why the minute they could show off Polaris silicon, they drummed up a lot of hype.

NVIDIA on the other hand can't afford to "Osborne" their current product lineup, so aside from "Pascal is coming in 2016" they basically need to STFU and not give too many details otherwise people who are "on the fence" about whether they want to upgrade or not might choose not to if they knew the exact Pascal product release dates.

With the "uncertainty" and "vagueness" in the air, people are more inclined to buy current NVIDIA GPUs should they need them now.




I think saying that ShintaiDK is "providing PR for NVIDIA" is uncalled for. Let me remind you that ahead of the Fury/Fury X launches, you were posting on practically every major forum (AnandTech, OCN, S|A) about how Fury was going to dominate NVIDIA's offerings.

Now, I'm not accusing you of "doing AMD PR," but the "enthusiasm" that some people here have for upcoming NVIDIA product is nowhere close to how aggressively you promoted Fiji and AMD around here in general. Why are you allowed to be enthusiastic about AMD's unreleased/unknown products but people like ShintaiDK aren't allowed to be enthusiastic about NVIDIA's upcoming products without being called "NVIDIA PR", especially when NVIDIA has a track record of delivering solid products (i.e. they ruined the Fury X launch for AMD with a cut-down GM200 that came outta nowhere)?

Anyway, I am excited about 14/16nm GPUs from both camps and am looking forward to a big upgrade once these new chips are out. I lean ever-so-slightly towards an NVIDIA card simply because I have a number of G-Sync monitors, but if AMD is out first/has a better product, I will pony up for a FreeSync display and sell a G-Sync one.

I love it when shills call out other shills as though they aren't just as guilty. Hypocrisy at it's finest if you ask me. Not talking about you Arach.

Anyway, I could care less what the name of the company is I will have new shiny stuff from the first to release as long as it is faster than my Titan X. Many of the ADF like to call NV buyers sheep, but they display the same behavior. Once again hypocrisy at it's finest. This forum is full of those types from both sides and I just LOL all the time at them and not with them.

 

[DooKey]

Really, from you? 40% AMD share and so on with Fiji? And do I even have to mention your "TechResearch" investor posts?

Mahigan have championed AMD to the sky and beyond. Best buddies with Oxide employees too.

^^^
Truth

 

[Arachnotronic]

Anyway, I could care less what the name of the company is I will have new shiny stuff from the first to release as long as it is faster than my Titan X.

This is some real truth right here.

 

[Pariah]

Many of the ADF like to call NV buyers sheep, but they display the same behavior. Once again hypocrisy at it's finest.

Not really true, and the differences are part of what is really hurting AMD. Out of all the pro AMD supporters on the site, name one that owns a Fiji product. The people recommending Nvidia are significantly more likely (ie, more than 0%) to actually own a high end Nvidia card. That's a clear an indication of which company is doing a better job pleasing their customers. It's not a good sign when even your most staunch supporters don't buy your products.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not really true, and the differences are part of what is really hurting AMD. Out of all the pro AMD supporters on the site, name one that owns a Fiji product. The people recommending Nvidia are significantly more likely (ie, more than 0%) to actually own a high end Nvidia card. That's as clear an indication of which company is doing a better job pleasing their customers. It's not a good sign when even your most staunch supporters don't buy your products.

To be fair, Fiji is not the best bang-for-the-buck product in AMD's lineup. 390/390X are the way to go if you're buying AMD. Price/performance is good & the cards have 8GB of VRAM.

 

[Pariah]

To be fair, Fiji is not the best bang-for-the-buck product in AMD's lineup. 390/390X are the way to go if you're buying AMD. Price/performance is good & the cards have 8GB of VRAM.

When has Titan ever been a bang for buck leader? There are plenty of Titan owners here as well. Nvidia has customers that will buy the top end simply because that's what it is. AMD clearly does not. If AMD customers will only buy the best bang for buck products, why is AMD wasting their time with products like the the dual fiji board? As you have just indicated, no one is going to buy it.

 

[Arachnotronic]

When has Titan ever been a bang for buck leader? There are plenty of Titan owners here as well. Nvidia has customers that will buy the top end simply because that's what it is. AMD clearly does not. If AMD customers will only buy the best bang for buck products, why is AMD wasting their time with products like the the dual fiji board? As you have just indicated, no one is going to buy it.

Virtually nobody will buy a dual Fiji board, especially now that AMD has Osborned their Fiji with Polaris. If Fiji could support 8GB+ of RAM & AMD didn't open their mouths about Polaris, I think Fiji X2 would have been an interesting product if launched in late 2015/early 2016.

It's true that there are Titan owners here but I suspect very few Titan X owners would have bought one if 980 Ti had been out at the time. The two best products in NV's lineup are 970 and 980 Ti, with 980 being the ugly ducking of the bunch...poor performance/$ in desktop PCs.

 

[Game_dev]

A June launch will be great. That would put them a few months ahead of AMD. which would probably be pretty bad for them, but the sooner we get new cards the better.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Mahigan have championed AMD to the sky and beyond. Best buddies with Oxide employees too.

An actual enthusiast who's excited and interested in learning about new technology? Yeah, some people might find that objectionable.

 

[JDG1980]

NVIDIA on the other hand can't afford to "Osborne" their current product lineup

The Osborne Effect is a myth.

especially when NVIDIA has a track record of delivering solid products (i.e. they ruined the Fury X launch for AMD with a cut-down GM200 that came outta nowhere)?

Was it really "outta nowhere"? I think everyone expected to eventually see a cut-down GM200 that offered better perf/$ than the full version, since we'd seen the same thing with GK110 and GM204. What surprised people was how close it was to the full chip (only two disabled SMMs) and how competitive the price was ($649). And at least the latter was probably done specifically to compete with Fiji.

 

[JDG1980]

When has Titan ever been a bang for buck leader? There are plenty of Titan owners here as well. Nvidia has customers that will buy the top end simply because that's what it is. AMD clearly does not. If AMD customers will only buy the best bang for buck products, why is AMD wasting their time with products like the the dual fiji board? As you have just indicated, no one is going to buy it.

How many people have bought the Titan X since the GTX 980 Ti was released? I'm sure there are some, but it can't be many. Among posters on this forum, the most popular Maxwell cards seem to be the GTX 970 and the GTX 980 Ti. Both are "bang-for-the-buck" cards.

AMD has made it clear that the dual-Fiji card is being tailored for VR applications (in fact, that's why the release was delayed from 2015). It's not really supposed to be a general-purpose release for enthusiasts. I think we'll see it included in bundles and pre-built VR systems.

 

[Timmah!]

Virtually nobody will buy a dual Fiji board, especially now that AMD has Osborned their Fiji with Polaris. If Fiji could support 8GB+ of RAM & AMD didn't open their mouths about Polaris, I think Fiji X2 would have been an interesting product if launched in late 2015/early 2016.

It's true that there are Titan owners here but I suspect very few Titan X owners would have bought one if 980 Ti had been out at the time. The two best products in NV's lineup are 970 and 980 Ti, with 980 being the ugly ducking of the bunch...poor performance/$ in desktop PCs.

This is debatable. Whoever bought Titan X did not care about money, so its possible they would buy it anyway, even with 980Ti around, as long as its faster. Its not like 980Ti´s eventual release was something unexpected, there was a precedent with previous Titan/780Ti...if all those people who bought X would care about money enough to get 980Ti instead, could they not just wait another half year?

 

[Pariah]

How many people have bought the Titan X since the GTX 980 Ti was released? I'm sure there are some, but it can't be many. Among posters on this forum, the most popular Maxwell cards seem to be the GTX 970 and the GTX 980 Ti. Both are "bang-for-the-buck" cards.

Any aftermarket 980Ti is faster than a Titan X out of the box. When you overclock both to the limits, the high end 980Ti's still probably come out on top. No one would advocate spending 50% more for equal of less performance from the same company. That is absolutely not the case when comparing a 390x and a Fury X.

 

[jpiniero]

Any aftermarket 980Ti is faster than a Titan X out of the box.

That's because the extra memory is sucking up too much power and is kind of a waste.

Virtually nobody will buy a dual Fiji board, especially now that AMD has Osborned their Fiji with Polaris

It would make sense if Polaris 11 isn't in Fiji's performance range and is GDDR5 and Vega is far off. The Fury X2 would compete with GP104 (?)

 

[AdamK47]

Many aftermarket 980Ti cards are factory overclocked out of the box. I'll let you guys in on a little secret: The Titan X can also be overclocked.

 

[Redentor]

Titan X PCB is a joke.

 

[AdamK47]

I thought the joke was so well done that I bought four of them. The joke is on me now.

Really, I don't care much for 3rd party developed PCBs. I care more about having four fully unlocked Maxwell cores that has served me well for a year now.

 

[Mahigan]

Really, from you? 40% AMD share and so on with Fiji? And do I even have to mention your "TechResearch" investor posts?

Mahigan have championed AMD to the sky and beyond. Best buddies with Oxide employees too.

I'm championing open solutions over closed solutions. Like I prefer Linux over Windows. Android over iOS. Adaptive Sync/Free Sync over G Sync. GPUOpen over Gameworks. TressFX over Hair Works. OpenCL over CUDA. VHS over Betamax. Vulkan over DX12. It just so happens that AMD are big on Open Standards and NVIDIA aren't. I like free and open market competition. I loathe collusion. I like APIs which expose all of the hardware features. I like seeing titles optimized for all available architectures. Seems fair and ethical to me.

It's a common theme of mine. Oh and..
http://www.overclock.net/t/1592431/...ctx-12-asynchronous-shading/660#post_24962556

 

[96Firebird]

I thought the joke was so well done that I bought four of them. The joke is on me now.

Sorry Adam, you just can't catch a break... Your Titan X's are a joke, and your SS is just a Malibu. Life must be tough on you...

 

[raghu78]

Companies typically break down "early," "mid," and "late" into the following:

Early: Jan-Apr
Mid: May-Aug
Late: Sept-Dec

So expect Polaris to arrive anywhere from May to Aug.

that definition of mid is very creative. June July is the mid of year. we will see when Polaris launches.

Of course there are no such official statements. AMD needs to appease investors who are suffering because the stock price remains in the doldrums & needs to reassure them that AMD won't be going bankrupt anytime soon. This is why the minute they could show off Polaris silicon, they drummed up a lot of hype.

NVIDIA on the other hand can't afford to "Osborne" their current product lineup, so aside from "Pascal is coming in 2016" they basically need to STFU and not give too many details otherwise people who are "on the fence" about whether they want to upgrade or not might choose not to if they knew the exact Pascal product release dates.

With the "uncertainty" and "vagueness" in the air, people are more inclined to buy current NVIDIA GPUs should they need them now.

Fact is Nvidia have not demoed Pascal while AMD has. They used Maxwell chips in their Drive PX2 presentation. The next opportunity for Nvidia to demo Pascal comes at GTC 2016. Finally at Computex. lets see what happens.

http://videocardz.com/58116/did-nvidia-show-maxwell-instead-of-pascal

I think saying that ShintaiDK is "providing PR for NVIDIA" is uncalled for. Let me remind you that ahead of the Fury/Fury X launches, you were posting on practically every major forum (AnandTech, OCN, S|A) about how Fury was going to dominate NVIDIA's offerings.

Now, I'm not accusing you of "doing AMD PR," but the "enthusiasm" that some people here have for upcoming NVIDIA product is nowhere close to how aggressively you promoted Fiji and AMD around here in general. Why are you allowed to be enthusiastic about AMD's unreleased/unknown products but people like ShintaiDK aren't allowed to be enthusiastic about NVIDIA's upcoming products without being called "NVIDIA PR", especially when NVIDIA has a track record of delivering solid products (i.e. they ruined the Fury X launch for AMD with a cut-down GM200 that came outta nowhere)?

Anyway, I am excited about 14/16nm GPUs from both camps and am looking forward to a big upgrade once these new chips are out. I lean ever-so-slightly towards an NVIDIA card simply because I have a number of G-Sync monitors, but if AMD is out first/has a better product, I will pony up for a FreeSync display and sell a G-Sync one.

One thing I have learnt from the past is to temper my enthusiasm for any AMD product as they disappoint more often than they impress. But still nonetheless I am a staunch AMD supporter as I am always an underdog supporter. I also am a strong supporter for healthy competition as it benefits the consumer. btw I hate Nvidia's business practices. If AMD held a similarly dominant market position and did the same things that Nvidia did I would hate AMD too. The name does not matter to me. Its a matter of ethics and principles. Nvidia is as unscrupulous as they come.

I don't have any expectations for Polaris or Zen. But I know AMD will not survive for long if it cannot gain both GPU and CPU market share. So lets see what AMD has cooked up with Polaris and later Zen. About ShintaiDK lets say the lesser I say the better it is.

 

[raghu78]

Really, from you? 40% AMD share and so on with Fiji? And do I even have to mention your "TechResearch" investor posts?

Mahigan have championed AMD to the sky and beyond. Best buddies with Oxide employees too.

Atleast I can admit I was wrong about Fiji unlike you whose astonishing quotes are in the signatures of so many people you argued with. You never ever acknowledge how stupid and arrogant your statements were. Yet you continue with the same rubbish. I cannot hold a candle to you. You are the best

Personal attacks are not allowed. -Shmee

 

[Arachnotronic]

that definition of mid is very creative. June July is the mid of year. we will see when Polaris launches.

It's a fairly standard definition of mid in the world of tech, even the mighty Apple uses it

One thing I have learnt from the past is to temper my enthusiasm for any AMD product as they disappoint more often than they impress. But still nonetheless I am a staunch AMD supporter as I am always an underdog supporter. I also am a strong supporter for healthy competition as it benefits the consumer. btw I hate Nvidia's business practices. If AMD held a similarly dominant market position and did the same things that Nvidia did I would hate AMD too. The name does not matter to me. Its a matter of ethics and principles. Nvidia is as unscrupulous as they come.

So you hate well-run businesses? You do realize that AMD would love to be in the position that NVIDIA is in right?

I don't have any expectations for Polaris or Zen. But I know AMD will not survive for long if it cannot gain both GPU and CPU market share. So lets see what AMD has cooked up with Polaris and later Zen.

Reasonable and I'm largely in agreement. We'll know by the end of the year how good these products that AMD is betting the farm on are

 

[Arachnotronic]

Many aftermarket 980Ti cards are factory overclocked out of the box. I'll let you guys in on a little secret: The Titan X can also be overclocked.

I owned a pair of Titan X's at one point but they wouldn't overclock for beans, I was very disappointed when the pair of 980 Tis in my other system ran circles around 'em