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ShintaiDK

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Atleast I can admit I was wrong about Fiji unlike you whose astonishing quotes are in the signatures of so many people you argued with. You never ever acknowledge how stupid and arrogant your statements were. Yet you continue with the same rubbish. I cannot hold a candle to you. You are the best

Lets see what you write on SeekingAlpha. Here is a few of your gems:
http://shintai.ambition.cz/raghu78.png
http://shintai.ambition.cz/raghu78-2.png
http://shintai.ambition.cz/raghu78-3.png

Shame using your raghu78 or real name wasn't enough so you had to rename it

You are a big time AMD hyper and AMD stock plumber. But I doubt you even own any stock yourself. Because if you believe what you write, everything you own must be in AMD stock. So I think that settles everything in the future from you.

Do not callout members, use the report button instead. -Shmee

Pascal looks to be shown of at Computex and scheduled for early june. And that's the news we have to go by for now.
http://www.techpowerup.com/220372/nvidia-to-unveil-pascal-at-the-2016-computex.html
 
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raghu78

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Lets see what you write on SeekingAlpha. Here is a few of your gems:
http://shintai.ambition.cz/raghu78.png
http://shintai.ambition.cz/raghu78-2.png
http://shintai.ambition.cz/raghu78-3.png

Shame using your raghu78 or real name wasn't enough so you had to rename it

You are a big time AMD hyper and AMD stock plumber. But I doubt you even own any stock yourself. Because if you believe what you write, everything you own must be in AMD stock. So I think that settles everything in the future from you.

Pascal looks to be shown of at Computex and scheduled for early june. And that's the news we have to go by for now.
http://www.techpowerup.com/220372/nvidia-to-unveil-pascal-at-the-2016-computex.html

Using a pen name is to protect my primary job. If thats difficult to understand then I cannot help it. btw I already said I have tempered my enthusiasm for AMD unlike you who is still a AMD basher and Intel worshipper. Moreover I do not invest in stocks because I have other priorities in life right now. Right now everything about Pascal is rumours. Maybe Nvidia will have concrete information at GTC 2016 or Computex. Till that stop pimping rumours as facts.

btw some of your infamous quotes
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34123768&postcount=18

"There will be no APU in PS4 and Xbox720."

I can find more but I am not going to waste my time finding those. Heck some users have your jewels in their signatures.
 
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raghu78

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It's a fairly standard definition of mid in the world of tech, even the mighty Apple uses it

that does not mean its correct.

So you hate well-run businesses? You do realize that AMD would love to be in the position that NVIDIA is in right?

If your definition of a well run business is a company which uses black box code to harm the competition and its own last gen customers, publicly lie about their own products (woodscrew Fermi, the GTX 970 feature which Jen Hsun forgot to explain to their beloved customers), screw up in engineering a product leading to massive product failures and go to court with customers over the same and finally settling without admitting any wrongdoing (the infamous GPU bumpgate controversy) sorry I disagree. Sorry but making money is not the only thing. Business ethics and fair practices matter.


Reasonable and I'm largely in agreement. We'll know by the end of the year how good these products that AMD is betting the farm on are
finally something we agree upon. Zen to the largest extent and Polaris will decide on AMD's long term survival. I know I don't want AMD to go away. I want competition as its in the best interest of the consumer. So yeah I do root for AMD. :thumbsup:
 

sontin

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You only prove my point. You take everything from Kollock as gospel.

Whats the track history of the company? Star Swarm Mantle demo for AMD. AOTS DX12 (20000 copies) for AMD?

So what else did they make?

They are forcing Async Compute as a default setting for nVidia user with the latest beta version which decreases the performance without giving them a)the information about it and b)an option within the game. So if you dont read all the reviews and find out which setting you need to change in the ini file the DX12 performance will always be slower on their hardware.
 

VirtualLarry

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They are forcing Async Compute as a default setting for nVidia user with the latest beta version which decreases the performance without giving them a)the information about it and b)an option within the game. So if you dont read all the reviews and find out which setting you need to change in the ini file the DX12 performance will always be slower on their hardware.

I don't think that they are "forcing" it, are they? I thought that they were simply choosing the codepath based on the capabilities that the driver reports. NV's driver (falsely?) reports support for Async compute on Maxwell (even though, as I understand it, they don't support it in hardware).

So if you want to blame anyone, blame NV for exposing capabilities in their driver that they don't really support.

Edit: Application software auto-detecting and configuring the software codepaths based on capabilities reported by the driver, is pretty standard in the industry.

"Forcing", would be choosing that codepath, even if the drivers did NOT enumerate support for Async compute. Which I can hardly believe that they would do, as I would expect in that case the driver would fault, or otherwise not execute the code.
 
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caswow

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mods need to step in asap. this forum becomes the laughing stock of the "tech forums" just like ocn became.
 

Leadbox

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They are forcing Async Compute as a default setting for nVidia user with the latest beta version which decreases the performance without giving them a)the information about it and b)an option within the game. So if you dont read all the reviews and find out which setting you need to change in the ini file the DX12 performance will always be slower on their hardware.

So what? The benchmarks were all this stems from have both ASc on and off numbers. Claiming support for something when clearly you don't, is what you should be up in arms over, not how end user can disable or enable something that is unusable for them anyways.
 

Aristotelian

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I owned a pair of Titan X's at one point but they wouldn't overclock for beans, I was very disappointed when the pair of 980 Tis in my other system ran circles around 'em

I didn't think that a 980ti could stomp a titanx (in absolute performance, not per dollar). I plan to watercool and heavily overclock two (at least) of the next gen flagships. If nvidia releases a 32gb titanx successor around broadwell-e release I'll find it tough not to buy a few. Especially since I'll be back stateside in April for a bit - hint hint nvidia ;-)
 

Erenhardt

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I thought the joke was so well done that I bought four of them. The joke is on me now.

Really, I don't care much for 3rd party developed PCBs. I care more about having four fully unlocked Maxwell cores that has served me well for a year now.

Nice. I really like your sense of humor.

Do you have 2 of those titans X disabled, or are you enjoying the downgrade in performance with more than 2way sli negative scaling?
 
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I didn't think that a 980ti could stomp a titanx (in absolute performance, not per dollar). I plan to watercool and heavily overclock two (at least) of the next gen flagships. If nvidia releases a 32gb titanx successor around broadwell-e release I'll find it tough not to buy a few. Especially since I'll be back stateside in April for a bit - hint hint nvidia ;-)

The 980 Tis I have are OC'd out of the box and can boost even further when I set the power limit to ~110%. The Titan X's could overclock a teensy bit but breaking 1100 core on them was tough and basically required my system to become unreasonably loud.
 
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Business ethics and fair practices matter.

Dig into AMD's history over the last decade or so. If after doing so you think this is a goodie-two-shoes "ethical" company, then I don't know what to tell you. This company has destroyed billions in shareholder wealth, particularly under Hector Ruiz (though Rory Read did a great job of taking the stock down from ~$8/sh to just $2 and change). This is more harmful than misstating some memory specs and showing off non-working prototypes at a trade show ever could be.

And if you think that such "shareholder wealth" destruction only impacts a few people, think again. AMD stock is/was held by a lot of mutual funds, employees of the company (who were compensated with stock), AMD retirees, etc. It was AMD management's job to try to protect and grow those people's investments and they failed big-time.

They say things like "Fury X is an overclockers dream" when it wasn't, try to dupe people into thinking Zen will have >40% IPC improvement over XV when they conveniently put that claim under the "data center" box in their slide (meaning the comparison is to Piledriver, their last gen server CPU), they say with a straight face to investors that Carrizo is a super great product and show that it's "better" than Broadwell by showing a corner case (HEVC decode), management rewarding themselves with random multi-million dollar bonuses when the stock hits new lows, etc.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, the more you dig, the more dirt you'll find on AMD.

Anyway, this is way OT so I'm going to shut up now, but if you wanna talk to me about "ethical" companies, AMD is the last example you really ought to use.
 
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Jaydip

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Dig into AMD's history over the last decade or so. If after doing so you think this is a goodie-two-shoes "ethical" company, then I don't know what to tell you. This company has destroyed billions in shareholder wealth, particularly under Hector Ruiz (though Rory Read did a great job of taking the stock down from ~$8/sh to just $2 and change). This is more harmful than misstating some memory specs and showing off non-working prototypes at a trade show ever could be.

And if you think that such "shareholder wealth" destruction only impacts a few people, think again. AMD stock is/was held by a lot of mutual funds, employees of the company (who were compensated with stock), AMD retirees, etc. It was AMD management's job to try to protect and grow those people's investments and they failed big-time.

They say things like "Fury X is an overclockers dream" when it wasn't, try to dupe people into thinking Zen will have >40% IPC improvement over XV when they conveniently put that claim under the "data center" box in their slide (meaning the comparison is to Piledriver, their last gen server CPU), they say with a straight face to investors that Carrizo is a super great product and show that it's "better" than Broadwell by showing a corner case (HEVC decode), management rewarding themselves with random multi-million dollar bonuses when the stock hits new lows, etc.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, the more you dig, the more dirt you'll find on AMD.

Anyway, this is way OT so I'm going to shut up now, but if you wanna talk to me about "ethical" companies, AMD is the last example you really ought to use.

I will just add one more point, JMD a former AMD employee misguided many people here regarding BD that it will have "increased ipc". After the BD fiasco he was never seen again.
 

AdamK47

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Nice. I really like your sense of humor.

Do you have 2 of those titans X disabled, or are you enjoying the downgrade in performance with more than 2way sli negative scaling?

I'm not sure where you got your information from. Having three or four cards does not cause negative scaling with most things. Especially at 3840x2160.
 
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I'm not sure where you got your information from. Having three or four cards does not cause negative scaling with most things. Especially at 3840x2160.

Don't pay attention to the haters. I'm glad you're enjoying your quad Titan X cards.
 

Mahigan

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They are forcing Async Compute as a default setting for nVidia user with the latest beta version which decreases the performance without giving them a)the information about it and b)an option within the game. So if you dont read all the reviews and find out which setting you need to change in the ini file the DX12 performance will always be slower on their hardware.
Once again... What you state is not true.



Oxide left Async on, by default, to place both IHVs on equal footing. Since NVIDIA expose the feature as being available in their driver, then perhaps you might want to email NVIDIA for more info on this feature.

Once the game ships, whichever option works best will be the one turned on by default.
 

desprado

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Once again... What you state is not true.



Oxide left Async on, by default, to place both IHVs on equal footing. Since NVIDIA expose the feature as being available in their driver, then perhaps you might want to email NVIDIA for more info on this feature.

Once the game ships, whichever option works best will be the one turned on by default.

So why Oxide did not use DX12.1 features in which Nvidia and Intel are focusing? It is because AMD does not support that and the result will end up like Just Cause 3 and GOW on AMD cards.
Oxide plan this game with AMD before even Dx12 came out and use AC because they know AMD is strong in that feature which is fine. It is gaming evolve program and it is fine to use feature which AMD is best on it.
 

Mahigan

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So why Oxide did not use DX12.1 features in which Nvidia and Intel are focusing? It is because AMD does not support that and the result will end up like Just Cause 3 and GOW on AMD cards.
Oxide plan this game with AMD before even Dx12 came out and use AC because they know AMD is strong in that feature which is fine. It is gaming evolve program and it is fine to use feature which AMD is best on it.
The only 12_1 feature that can boost performance is CR (Conservative Rasterization). Not CR itself but the fact that CR can allow for VXGI ambient occlusion. Which is an AO tied to Gameworks licensing schemes. CR is not really a feature you'd use in a RTS game. It's something you'd use in an FPS shooter or open world game.

ROV, would cause performance to tank.

As for Just Cause 3, it's a DX11 game. It might get a DX12 patch. I don't see AMD doing poorly under Just Cause 3 do you?
 

desprado

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The only 12_1 feature that can boost performance is CR (Conservative Rasterization). Not CR itself but the fact that CR can allow for VXGI ambient occlusion. Which is an AO tied to Gameworks licensing schemes. CR is not really a feature you'd use in a RTS game. It's something you'd use in an FPS shooter or open world game.

ROV, would cause performance to tank.

As for Just Cause 3, it's a DX11 game. It might get a DX12 patch. I don't see AMD doing poorly under Just Cause 3 do you?

It does and go check out steam page. It has stutter problem on AMD due that game do not use Dx12.1 features.

http://wccftech.com/dx12-3-pc-gbuffer-conservative-rasterization/
http://wccftech.com/codemasters-ego...ter-ordered-views-conservative-rasterization/

Even Intel is focusing on Dx12.1 ,however, only AMD do not support. Oxide and every normal developers knows that nvidia is not good in computing but AMD is good so they went with it to promote AMD and its features.

That is why ATOS is non selling and i grantee that this game wont even near 50K sales. Only AMD fanboys will buy this game and save these developers from near bankruptcy. They only made this game to promote AMD.
 
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Mahigan

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It does and go check out steam page. It has stutter problem on AMD due that game do not use Dx12.1 features.

http://wccftech.com/dx12-3-pc-gbuffer-conservative-rasterization/
http://wccftech.com/codemasters-ego...ter-ordered-views-conservative-rasterization/

Even Intel is focusing on Dx12.1 ,however, only AMD do not support. Oxide and every normal developers knows that nvidia is not good in computing but AMD is good so they went with it to promote AMD and its features.

That is why ATOS is non selling and i grantee that this game wont even near 50K sales. Only AMD fanboys will buy this game and save these developers from near bankruptcy. They only made this game to promote AMD.
Oh boy,

You didn't read those articles eh?

They're talking about the upcoming DX12 patches for Just Cause 3 which will add ROV and CR.

As for stutters, do you have a recent link discussing stutters or just the usual "at launch" stutter issues that affect all Gameworks titles running on AMD Radeon due to there being no AMD driver optimizations for reasons previously mentioned in this thread and others?

Do these users have 8GB or less of RAM by chance? Are they like these NVIDIA GTX 900 series users have the same issue? https://www.reddit.com/r/JustCause/comments/3wy3ux/just_cause_3_massive_frame_drops_and_stuttering/
 
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I'm not sure where you got your information from. Having three or four cards does not cause negative scaling with most things. Especially at 3840x2160.

AdamK47, to further prove your point:







Doesn't look like a regression here, FWIW.
 
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