I don't care how big the die is. I don't really care if it is labeled 'mid-range' 'high-end' or 'enthusiast'.
What I do care about is the performance and the price. Based on those, I select the GPU that I want, within the power requirements I have.
Why? Because it affects market and me and many other people. If people won't stop buying that expensive GPU or any other computer parts just for gaming, it will lead us to the point where you will see high-end GPU for a price of used car. For example, back in 2008 I bought whole PC for something like a 1000$ and it was running everything on max settings (GTX 260 (cut GT200 chip!, not a mid-range chip), E8400, 4GB RAM) for like a 3 years except shitty GTA IV PC port. And now, only 8 years later, some people pay the same amount for the GPU only That's the thing that Russian said, till you won't stop buying that expensive cards, AMD/Nvidia won't stop raising prices.
since when nvidia priced something with the yield in mind? the yields must be horrible terrible atrocious gruesome ghastly shocking severe appalling dire disastrous in order for them to actually price them like that even if amd surpass them at 3 light years on perf BUT the 1070 will be lets say 50-60% faster than 970 they will price it like that they always did thatI just can't imagine why Nvidia would price a 1070 at $500 unless the yields are really bad. I don't think people have the disposable income to be spending that kind of money, it's not like the American nor world economy is in good shape at all right now. I mean if they're having trouble producing GP104 chips then by all means sell the cut down ones at $500 since they wouldn't be able to fill a mass market demand then anyways, but otherwise they're pricing people out of the market. And no one is going to be excited about a $350 GTX 1060 that performs like a 980 when the 980 isn't much more powerful than the GTX 970 that was $330 almost two years before the Pascal launch. If that's their answer then I can't imagine how many people will just go on ebay to buy used 970s instead for $200-$250.
Why? Because it affects market and me and many other people. If people won't stop buying that expensive GPU or any other computer parts just for gaming, it will lead us to the point where you will see high-end GPU for a price of used car. For example, back in 2008 I bought whole PC for something like a 1000$ and it was running everything on max settings (GTX 260 (cut GT200 chip!, not a mid-range chip), E8400, 4GB RAM) for like a 3 years except shitty GTA IV PC port. And now, only 8 years later, some people pay the same amount for the GPU only That's the thing that Russian said, till you won't stop buying that expensive cards, AMD/Nvidia won't stop raising prices.
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That's hilarious. People here said that the rumoured prices of Pascal GPUs are ridiculous but still, at the end of the day, they are eager to buy them. I don't get it.
If we play the devils game. AMD most like makes a loss on its graphics cards. They can however reuse the technology in consoles for example.
If we just for the sake of it say that Nvidia sells 50 million GPUs a year. Their entire profit is equal to around 12$ per GPU in average.
Its not about greed, its about basic economics. And some people seems to suffer from an entitlement issue.
Prices has gone up? It was nVidia who priced AMD down:
GTX670 for $399 and the GTX970 for $329.
People always forget that AMD was the company who decided to increase the overall prices of their product with the 28nm generation.
They are making bank on the margins for 970, 980, and 980 Ti. Likely will continue to make record margins on Pascal cards as well. 28nm process technology is mature and it's highly unlikely that a chip of a similar die size from nVidia would cost $$$ more than a chip of similar die size from AMD - the pricing difference is entirely due to marketing, mindshare, and, most importantly what nV views as desirable margins.
See recent quarterly report:
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/n...esults-for-the-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2016
56.5% (!) gross margins. More than ever. I'd say they've increased their margins on 970/980/980Ti more than previous generations, because people are willing to buy them at the prices they ask.
And that's the issue that people on this forum are annoyed with - that pricing has effectively gone up a tier without the commensurate performance increase, and that it is likely to be the new normal with Pascal and the new FinFET cards.
But hey, peasants gotta pay for the node change, right? /s
Prices has gone up? It was nVidia who priced AMD down:
GTX670 for $399 and the GTX970 for $329.
People always forget that AMD was the company who decided to increase the overall prices of their product with the 28nm generation.
Agreed. Consumers have the greatest control over how much companies can charge - if they are willing to overpay for cheaper to make products,then they will make sure they charge as much as the market can bare.
If consumers don't pay the higher prices,the companies will be forced to cut prices.
Businesses are not the friends of consumers - both AMD and Nvidia are nobodies friends,and people paying excessive amounts for small chips,only serve to increase the bonuses of the respective CEOs who can then buy a nice new 911 instead of a cheaper Cayman!
The moment people start making excuses that they want to pay MORE for any companies products instead of expecting them to be cheaper,then that is when marketing has done its job,and research has shown what happens:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13416598
If people really want to throw their money away,then maybe they should donate it to their relevant governments - many of the countries in Europe and indeed the US have trillions of dollars of debt. Better that money helps reduce it quicker!
Heck,even over-repayments on your mortgage,credit cards or educational loans. That will save you more money than demanding your graphics cards cost more.
I have a suspicion that the recent pricing strategy is about to be overturned.They are making bank on the margins for 970, 980, and 980 Ti. Likely will continue to make record margins on Pascal cards as well. 28nm process technology is mature and it's highly unlikely that a chip of a similar die size from nVidia would cost $$$ more than a chip of similar die size from AMD - the pricing difference is entirely due to marketing, mindshare, and, most importantly what nV views as desirable margins.
See recent quarterly report:
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/n...esults-for-the-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2016
56.5% (!) gross margins. More than ever. I'd say they've increased their margins on 970/980/980Ti more than previous generations, because people are willing to buy them at the prices they ask.
And that's the issue that people on this forum are annoyed with - that pricing has effectively gone up a tier without the commensurate performance increase, and that it is likely to be the new normal with Pascal and the new FinFET cards.
But hey, peasants gotta pay for the node change, right? /s
If we play the devils game. AMD most like makes a loss on its graphics cards. They can however reuse the technology in consoles for example.
If we just for the sake of it say that Nvidia sells 50 million GPUs a year. Their entire profit is equal to around 12$ per GPU in average.
Its not about greed, its about basic economics. And some people seems to suffer from an entitlement issue.
We receive far more utility out of the money spent on AMD and Nvidia products than we would if we donated that money to a govt to buy a fraction of a bomb to drop on somebody in a 3rd world country.
I have a suspicion that the recent pricing strategy is about to be overturned.
Remember, both companies are constrained by the other in pricing power. Yes, Nvidia can charge more for an equivalent performing card, but they do not have carte blanch.
Nobody is forced to buy a product. So no, peasants dont have to pay for anything.
They are making bank on the margins for 970, 980, and 980 Ti. Likely will continue to make record margins on Pascal cards as well. 28nm process technology is mature and it's highly unlikely that a chip of a similar die size from nVidia would cost $$$ more than a chip of similar die size from AMD - the pricing difference is entirely due to marketing, mindshare, and, most importantly what nV views as desirable margins.
See recent quarterly report:
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/n...esults-for-the-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2016
56.5% (!) gross margins. More than ever. I'd say they've increased their margins on 970/980/980Ti more than previous generations, because people are willing to buy them at the prices they ask.
And that's the issue that people on this forum are annoyed with - that pricing has effectively gone up a tier without the commensurate performance increase, and that it is likely to be the new normal with Pascal and the new FinFET cards.
But hey, peasants gotta pay for the node change, right? /s
I don't think it's that at all, no one is telling Nvidia to take a loss. But if they're not truly making more profit by moving their chips to higher price points that's scary to think we're hitting a wall of stagnation like with cpus. I always figured gpus had much more room for growth since the tasks they perform are more easily parallelized than is consumer software run on consumer cpus.
BAHAHAHA! E-PENIS is so FUNNY.
Console gamers=peasants
Gamers=peasants
Enthusiasts and gamers who don't want to pay over the odds for a mass produced piece of electronics which will be out of date in 10 seconds=peasants
E-PENIS WIELDERS = MASTER RACE who always complain all games are console ports and poorly coded
Do you honestly think if you went into a bar and said you were wielding DUAL GTX1080 or Vega10 cards,all the girls(or guys) would collapse at the sight of your massive E-PENIS??
At least that fraction of a bomb would most likely be built in a weapons factory somewhere in your country!
There is far more utility in using money saved,to overpay your mortgage,educational loan or a credit card(if you use one) or even to dabble in stocks and shares.
Not interested in enabling Jen-Hsun Huang or Lisa Su to buy another shiney car or an expensive leather jacket.
You could always buy them one if you admire them enough!
Can you support this statement?And what does these margins pay for? Pascal is said to cost 2-3B$ in R&D. That's what margins among others pay for.
Ok, then dont buy a graphics card.
Can you support this statement?
Unfortunately, based on your record, very few here have faith in anything you post without references.
they said the gp100 had a cost of 3bil and they expected to make some more money out of itCan you support this statement?
Unfortunately, based on your record, very few here have faith in anything you post without references.