NVIDIA Pascal Thread

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Genx87

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Or better still if you are that desperate for E-PEEN purposes to pay beyond the odds for something so your favourite 4company CEO can buy another Porsche,how about the rest of us act like good consumers and make sure companies like Nvidia or AMD don't plonk out cards which are priced beyond the odds,and then you and the like minded people can donate 1000s of dollars,Euro or Pounds to AMD or Nvidia,so you can feel validated you bought something expensive and overpriced.

Everybody is happy.



OFC,then don't complain when games companies target the mass market "console peasant" crowd and your £4000 graphics card hits a cinematic locked 30FPS.

I dont even know what you are going on about. It makes little sense. I never buy the high end. I am in the 300 dollar range for cards.
 

railven

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What are you babbling about? Go look at what I was responding to and get back to us.

Some people forget peasant actually has a real meaning outside of the humorous PCMR usage.

My family were peasants when they first came to America. Worked illegally on some farm. Now we own multiple homes in various cities in MA and I can afford a $650 GPU without even worrying about my other expenses.

But, eff me (or the hardwork my mother did to provide this route for me), right?
 

USER8000

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So basically we are buying small die,overpriced gaming chips to subsidise their large die compute chips for the non-gaming market.

Probably more of the same when Vega comes out for AMD.

Now,it all comes together.

Sure they can fit a few Porsches and leather jackets into all that too.

 

railven

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So basically we are buying small die,overpriced gaming chips to subsidise their large die compute chips for the non-gaming market.

Probably more of the same when Vega comes out for AMD.

Now,it all comes together.

Sure they can fit a few Porsches and leather jackets into all that too.


Welps, there you have it.
 

USER8000

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Nobody is forced to buy a product. So no, peasants dont have to pay for anything.

What are you babbling about? Go look at what I was responding to and get back to us.

Then,what are you bambling about then?? More E-PEEN. You seem desperate to accuse somebody of being a peasant when they called some of you out on how these poor companies need moar money.

You seem quite desperate to want to pay more for cards??

Why??

I need to show off on the internet I am rich despite so I can feel better about my life.

Internet stonk man indeed.
Welps, there you have it.

Welps,YOU still seem desperate to want to pay more for something that is of no importance for a gamer.

If the GP100 can barely sustain itself as a project,then why do gamers need to pay for it in increased card prices??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13416598

The results suggested that Apple was actually stimulating the same parts of the brain as religious imagery does in people of faith.

Don't bother replying - it will be more "I want to pay over the odds for electronics".

I think AMD,Nvidia and Intel have found their ideal consumer markets!



It is almost like I am talking to AMD and Nvidia shareholders or employees.

Waits for AMD fans to say 232MM2 Polaris should be £400 if it beats a Fury X massively.
 
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railven

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Internet stonk man indeed.

Stonk? Haha. Okay.


Welps,I still seem desperate to want to pay more for something that is of no importance for a gamer.

If the GP100 can barely sustain itself as a project,then why do gamers need to pay for it in increased card prices??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13416598

I got pulled over once for a moving violation. Officer asked me "Can you afford this ticket?" I replied "yes." He repeated his question a little confused, "Are you telling me you can afford this ticket?" Again, I said "Yes" but added "just because I can afford it doesn't mean I want it."

I'm all for cheaper products, I mean, who isn't? I don't get why me buying something I can afford and not even thick twice about gets some people like you worked up. If you can't afford it, why is that my fault or problem? Go harass Huang/Su, I mean it's them, according to you, buying the jets and boats, not me.
 

Genx87

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Then,what are you bambling about then?? More E-PEEN. You seem desperate to accuse somebody of being a peasant when they called some of you out on how these poor companies need moar money.

You seem quite desperate to want to pay more for cards??

Why??



Internet stonk man indeed.


Welps,YOU still seem desperate to want to pay more for something that is of no importance for a gamer.

If the GP100 can barely sustain itself as a project,then why do gamers need to pay for it in increased card prices??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13416598



Don't bother replying - it will be more "I want to pay over the odds for electronics".

I think AMD,Nvidia and Intel have found their ideal consumer markets!



It is almost like I am talking to AMD and Nvidia shareholders or employees.

Waits for AMD fans to say 232MM2 Polaris should be £400 if it beats a Fury X massively.

Regarding the peasants comment. Go read what I was responding to. You still havent done it.
 

Good_fella

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When Galaxy S6 owners upgrading to Galaxy S7 nobody cares. When upgrading your GPU (if not AMD) everyone losing their minds.
 

USER8000

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Stonk? Haha. Okay.




I got pulled over once for a moving violation. Officer asked me "Can you afford this ticket?" I replied "yes." He repeated his question a little confused, "Are you telling me you can afford this ticket?" Again, I said "Yes" but added "just because I can afford it doesn't mean I want it."

I'm all for cheaper products, I mean, who isn't? I don't get why me buying something I can afford and not even thick twice about gets some people like you worked up. If you can't afford it, why is that my fault or problem? Go harass Huang/Su, I mean it's them, according to, buying the jets and boats, not me.

Who said I can't afford it?? Of course I can. But what I don't like is essentially a duality price fixing the market and then when gamersor enthusiasrts start having a go at them,you find others trying to make an excuse for it like someone with a weird form of Stockholm syndrome.

You heard of Ikea??

This is an article about the founder:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-year--man-founded-Ikea-worth-pound-15bn.html

But the man pictured here is Ingvar Kamprad, the reclusive Swedish founder of Ikea. And he is worth £15.7billion.
That makes him the world's seventh richest man, but the 81-year-old admits he is still "a bit tight" with money.

He takes easyJet flights, drives himself around in a 15-year-old Volvo, and has furnished his modest house almost entirely with Ikea items - which he assembled himself.

Its more the case of companies trying a fast one and overpricing products so they can go on escapades like Atom,Tegra,Bulldozer or apparently GP100,which is not able to support its own R and D according to some here,ie,high consumer GPU prices are needed to support the apparently failed GP100 project.

Why the heck should gamers being made to pay the price for non-gaming projects?? Why are gamers making excuses like that??

We only need AMD to price small die Polaris 10 at a relatively stupid level to subsidise Zen for servers,and the milking will be done - AMD and Nvidia making a nice little fool of enthusiasts. We can see what AMD tried with Fiji too.

As long as people make excuses for companies doing this they will.

RS has been saying the same for years and he was proved correct with 28NM. Many didn't listen to him.

Do people think he will be wrong a second time.

I don't.

But remember don't complain when all the PC games get developed for consoles first and you have games framelocked to 30FPS. That is the future you are promoting.
 
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FatherMurphy

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I don't understand some of these opinions regarding the GPU market's pricing and what is fair and isn't fair. No one is entitled to a GPU. If you don't want to pay what the manufacturer asks, don't buy one. Perhaps the market adjusts, and perhaps it doesn't. That's how we approach every luxury item (and that's certainly what a GPU is) in any market. Cars. Cell phones. Shoes. Watches. GPUs are no different. People are losing perspective.

At any rate, I thought this was the Pascal thread, not the "the GPU market is unfair to me" thread.

Have any of the leaks so far suggested what kind of power connectors the alleged 3 GP104 based cards are supposed to have?
 

airfathaaaaa

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When Galaxy S6 owners upgrading to Galaxy S7 nobody cares. When upgrading your GPU (if not AMD) everyone losing their minds.

well benchmark wise the s7 is at least 50% ahead of s6(not to mention that its better in every way)
i fail to see how this is an example since we havent seen pascal yet
 

maddie

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JHH said it in his latest keynote while revealing P100.

they said the gp100 had a cost of 3bil and they expected to make some more money out of it
Thanks.

On the face of it, seems quite high. Wonder about the accounting used. This number, if taken at face value, allows me to see why some would say AMD can't compete.

Margins and market share highest in history and "expect to make some more money". Consider me skeptical. Sounds like a sales pitch for justifying high prices.
 

railven

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RS has been saying the same for years and he was proved correct with 28NM. Many didn't listen to him.

Oh, you're of his flock. Gotcha.

But remember don't complain when all the PC games get developed for consoles first and you have games framelocked to 30FPS. That is the future you are promoting.

As someone who is loving playing once exclusive console titles on his PC, getting 60 FPS @ 1080p (due to them lazy devs man!), I don't see myself complaining.

Glad we had this chat
 

USER8000

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Oh, you're of his flock. Gotcha.



As someone who is loving playing once exclusive console titles on his PC, getting 60 FPS @ 1080p (due to them lazy devs man!), I don't see myself complaining.

Glad we had this chat

Oh that's funny,what about all the threads moaning about console ports being shoddy and running at cinematic framerates.

I mean loads complaining that their games are locked at 30FPS or 60FPS and can't really make use of their 120HZ and 144HZ monitors.

Or the fact G-SYNC or Free-Sync is broken due to Microsoft.

We see lots of that from "I am desperate to pay more crowd" and I wonder why all these devs are targetting consoles??

60FPS on a 1080P which is what sub £100 monitors have,is not impressive. If it is,I have a bridge I can sell you in the Arctic.

I wonder how we could increase that number!!

Yes,jack up prices says ENTHUSIASTs on tech forums. We love margins from our CPU and GPU companies.

I wonder how many of you think about margins and sunk costs when you go to Best Buy,Walmart or any large supermarket or any clothing chain.

You must be the best consumers ever - I expect when you buy a house,even if the seller wants a lower price you make sure you negotiate a higher one,since you want to cover their moving costs.

Glad we had this chat

Expect's more posts about why paying OTT is awesome for 60FPS 1080P gaming. The expectations of enthusiasts is so low nowadays.

Have fun!!
 
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CakeMonster

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I admit I am a bit skeptical about buying a GP104 chip with regular GDDR5. I just feel like there's so much more to be unleashed with the new process and the new memory tech that even if the performance is spectacular, there should be something even better just around the corner... We'll see I guess..
 

airfathaaaaa

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Thanks.

On the face of it, seems quite high. Wonder about the accounting used. This number, if taken at face value, allows me to see why some would say AMD can't compete.

Margins and market share highest in history and "expect to make some more money". Consider me skeptical. Sounds like a sales pitch for justifying high prices.

its way to high for their hpc department to even meet 3bil on one year... i mean they will have to build 13 oak ridge style supercomputers to even reach 3bil....(its safe to say they gonna milk the ^%&^% out of the consumers for this)
 
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ShintaiDK

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its way to high for their hpc department to even meet 3bil on one year... i mean they will have to build 13 oak ridge style supercomputers to even reach 3bil....(its safe to say they gonna milk the ^%&^% out of the consumers for this)

You act like zero of the R&D went into "gaming".
 

Kris194

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If some people still don't understand that Nvidia didn't raise the prices to cover R&D cost, maybe this will help you understand what many people here said

Code:
                               Year Ending                       Year Ending
                                 Jan 2013                           Jan 2011
Revenue                        4.28B                               3.54B
Cost of Revenue             1.83B                               1.95B
Gross Operating Profit      2.45B                               1.60B

Year Ending 2011 - few months after Fermi GPU release, Year Ending 2013 - few months after Kepler release where Nvidia doubled or nearly doubled prices. Do you see what happened back in 2012? Their Gross Operating Profit skyrocketed
 
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