NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[ShintaiDK]

If they will price the GP104 at $650+ it will be a new record of silliness. I sure hope they will not do something like that and price it at $550 tops for aftermarket cards.

550$ would be the minimum price and you know it. And they will sell like hotcakes no matter if its 550, 650 or in between.

 

[ShintaiDK]

according to tsmc they had "mature" node fabrication a year ago

the same time that qualcomm gave them the middle finger and signed with samsung

Qualcomm only picked Samsung due to the S7. And boy did they pay badly for that. -19% chip volume.

Samsung also seems to have quite bad parametric yield. No wonder Polaris seems to be clocked low and Snapdragon needs exotic cooling

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Qualcomm only picked Samsung due to the S7. And boy did they pay badly for that. -19% chip volume.

Samsung also seems to have quite bad parametric yield. No wonder Polaris seems to be clocked low and Snapdragon needs exotic cooling

the ardeno 530 is essentially a gcn like gpu it was needed in order to use the vulkan which s7 is currently using...
so having an "exotic cooling system" is something understandable considering the graphics usage of this phone will skyrocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKu7MLB7vQ

 

[AtenRa]

550$ would be the minimum price and you know it. And they will sell like hotcakes no matter if its 550, 650 or in between.

Yeap, still a ripoff.

Lets see if we will have a GTX 280 again.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yeap, still a ripoff.

Lets see if we will have a GTX 280 again.

For you maybe.

 

[ShintaiDK]

the ardeno 530 is essentially a gcn like gpu it was needed in order to use the vulkan which s7 is currently using...
so having an "exotic cooling system" is something understandable considering the graphics usage of this phone will skyrocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKu7MLB7vQ

It already throttles with regular loads. More and it will require liquid cooling and a car battery. And its still hopeless behind Apple

 

[airfathaaaaa]

For you maybe.

if you are buying because its the new one yeah its not a ripoff even if they price it 10000000
if you buy it in relation to the "real" perf increase in relation to the new amd cards" depends if its close or behind yeah its a ripoff a massive one
if its close but ahead then no its not so bad (but still i would call it overpriced a bit)
and all of that depending on the pricing of the amd cards... if amd is loosing 5-6 fps and they price them 100 -150 less(its a dream but who knows..) then this card is doomed

 

[Head1985]

550$ would be the minimum price and you know it. And they will sell like hotcakes no matter if its 550, 650 or in between.

i dont think so.
people who buy 650USD GPUs are like 5% of total Gpu buyers.

If they want sell more they need price it accordingly.

 

[raghu78]

For you maybe.

a 104 chip at USD 650 is a new high even by Nvidia standards. Maybe for you its not a ripoff. But for a lot of people it is.

 

[Kris194]

People do you really believe that you will see GTX 1080 Ti based on GP104 with 256b memory bus? It should like this

GP104-150-A1 - GTX 1060 Ti
GP104-200-A1 - GTX 1070
GP104-400-A1 - GTX 1080

Not to mention that the leaked prices seem fishy and I can't imagine that GTX 1070 with GDDR5 and 256b memory bus will cost 500$ while GTX 980 Ti is about to hit 500$ and it has more units and higher bandwith than GTX 1070 will ever have.

 

[PPB]

People do you really believe that you will see GTX 1080 Ti based on GP104 with 256b memory bus?

Why not? If said chip will be low volume and gddr5x onyl.

 

[antihelten]

i dont think so.
people who buy 650USD GPUs are like 5% of total Gpu buyers.

If they want sell more they need price it accordingly.

And there will also be a cheaper but slower GPU for those who aren't willing to pay $650. It's not like Nvidia is only going to launch a single GPU.

People do you really believe that you will see GTX 1080 Ti based on GP104 with 256b memory bus? It should like this

GP104-150-A1 - GTX 1060 Ti
GP104-200-A1 - GTX 1070
GP104-400-A1 - GTX 1080

To me that naming scheme also makes more sense, but if the rumors of a $650 price for the top GP104 SKU is true, then I wouldn't be surprised if they slap the 1080 Ti name on it (and thus also shift all the other SKUs one spot up)

 

[tviceman]

To everyone complaining about prices based solely on chip size: play XB1 instead.

 

[Head1985]

And there will also be a cheaper but slower GPU for those who aren't willing to pay $650. It's not like Nvidia is only going to launch a single GPU.

Yeah but if Top card cost 650USD then 1070 will not cost 300USD dont you think?
If its overpriced Top card rest will be also overpriced.
And GTX670/970/1070 buyers are not Nv sheeps that buy everything Nv throws at them.If they dont bring atleast 55-60% increase over GTX970 for max 400USD they wont buy it

 

[Kris194]

Why not? If said chip will be low volume and gddr5x onyl.

Are you aware that it would have less units than GTX 980 Ti and the same bandwith? It doesn't make any sense to release successor that is worse than predecessor. Look at the size of GP104, there is no way that it has more than 2560 CC.

 

[Kris194]

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[ShintaiDK]

If the card(s) are priced outside your reach, then its obvious not for you.

 

[iiiankiii]

I think we're going to get the same launch as the GTX 980. No real shift in performance metric. The huge focus will be on power consumption and real hardware support for DX12 performance improvements.

GTX 1080 130w TDP ~ GTX980TI +5-10% @ $549

 

[airfathaaaaa]

If the card(s) are priced outside your reach, then its obvious not for you.

what a well structured and non biased logic....

if thats the case 99% of people wont even buy a 960

 

[antihelten]

Yeah but if Top card cost 650USD then 1070 will not cost 300USD dont you think?
If its overpriced Top card rest will be also overpriced.
And GTX670/970/1070 buyers are not Nv sheeps that buy everything Nv throws at them.If they dont bring atleast 55-60% increase over GTX970 for max 400USD they wont buy it

No I don't expect the 1070 will cost $300, but why should I? $300 is not the traditional price point for GTX x70 GPUs, $400 is (the 970 is an anomaly).

And you clearly don't have a clue what people will or will not buy. Nvidia has never provided anywhere close to a 55-60% performance increase with a GTX x70 card, generally the increase has only been 25-35%, and yet Nvidia has sold tons of them.

what a well structured and non biased logic....

if thats the case 99% of people wont even buy a 960

99% of people didn't buy an 8800 GT
99% of people didn't buy an HD 4850
99% of people didn't buy a GTX 460
99% of people didn't buy a GTX 970

In other words saying that 99% of people won't buy a product as niche as a dedicated GPU is pretty meaninglessness.

At the end of the day, Nvidia doesn't really care how many people buy their GPUs, they care about what kind of profits they can make. If they think they can make more money buy selling fewer but more expensive GPUs, then they will do so. Love them or hate them, I would never bet against Nvidia when it comes to business decisions.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

No I don't expect the 1070 will cost $300, but why should I? $300 is not the traditional price point for GTX x70 GPUs, $400 is (the 970 is an anomaly).

And you clearly don't have a clue what people will or will not buy. Nvidia has never provided anywhere close to a 55-60% performance increase with a GTX x70 card, generally the increase has only been 25-35%, and yet Nvidia has sold tons of them.



99% of people didn't buy an 8800 GT
99% of people didn't buy an HD 4850
99% of people didn't buy a GTX 460
99% of people didn't buy a GTX 970

In other words saying that 99% of people won't buy a product as niche as a dedicated GPU is pretty meaninglessness.

At the end of the day, Nvidia doesn't really care how many people buy their GPUs, they care about what kind of profits they can make. If they think they can make more money buy selling fewer but more expensive GPUs, then they will do so. Love them or hate them, I would never bet against Nvidia when it comes to business decisions.

lol yeah nice logic we will sell fewer but will cost more...did you just seriously said that? what company that wants to be profitable did that
also lol yeah 99% of people didnt bought anything at all the few 1% was the one that bought 970/980/390/390x......

#logic 2016

 

[tential]

I don't understand this thread or the hate against pasccal at all.

Lets say the GTX 1080 is a 20% increase over the GTX 980 in performance, but greatly increased perf/watt.

Isn't that what NBvidia users wanted? Isn't that why GTX 970 owners picked GTX 970's over R9 290s? Perf/Watt was important right?

Now all of a sudden, the most massive jump in perf/watt we've seen in awhile, and people aren't happy....

Weird....

 

[CakeMonster]

20% increase over the GTX 980

I think people primarily want a decent performance jump over the current generation's top cards, especially considering we are moving down to 16/14nm. Regardless of power usage.

 

[Grooveriding]

In a holding pattern. It looks like these initial cards will be disappointing for performance. Hopefully it's mediocre performance improvements like 580 to 680 was, not dismal like 780ti to 980 was.

Half the size of GM200, but on the new node. It will obviously be faster. Hopefully it's not just another release that equals the last card with an overclock. The big gaming Pascal seems to be a pipe dream until 2017 and these may be all we see for 9-12 months.

 

[raghu78]

In a holding pattern. It looks like these initial cards will be disappointing for performance. Hopefully it's mediocre performance improvements like 580 to 680 was, not dismal like 780ti to 980 was.

Half the size of GM200, but on the new node. It will obviously be faster. Hopefully it's not just another release that equals the last card with an overclock. The big gaming Pascal seems to be a pipe dream until 2017 and these may be all we see for 9-12 months.

I think 35% more performance is pretty much expected from a 316 sq mm Pascal chip with clocks close to 1.6 Ghz( 35% faster than GTX 980 Ti) and architectural improvements which should increase perf/cuda core. I think the big die Geforce won't turn up any time before Q2 2017 since Tesla P100 itself is going to widely available from all server vendors only in Q1 2017.