steve wilson
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Are Nvidia really that bad or are there a lot of AMD fanboys here? Genuinly curious, not trolling.
Nv strikes again with dirty tricks
Are Nvidia really that bad or are there a lot of AMD fanboys here? Genuinly curious, not trolling.
Forum is 2/3rds AMD. 1/3rd Nvidia.
I get ~321mm²...
Edit - It looks like the shots are lined up with the white lines around the outside of each die.
Forum is 2/3rds AMD. 1/3rd Nvidia.
Shot are in line with cooler mounting holes, which can change from generation to generation. Explains the difference in white lines and why it doesn't match.
It is pretty big chip ^^
Everyone here should say thanks to all those people (idiots) that buy GPU for 650$ or even more... I would have to be dumb or mentally disabled to pay more than 500$ for any computer part.
The majority of this forum doesn't consider themselves to belong to either camp.
Everyone here should say thanks to all those people (idiots) that buy GPU for 650$ or even more... I would have to be dumb or mentally disabled to pay more than 500$ for any computer part.
I'm getting really tired of seeing posts like these. Do you go to sewing forums and tell people who spend EUR 3000 and more on a quilt machine say from Bernina or Pfaff that they are stupid because you sew by hand? Being on an enthusiast forum and complaining how people spend their money is counterproductive and offensive.
I'd pay EUR 1000 per Pascal Titan X right now if I could get them - if I could get HDR at 4k and 100Hz plus on an OLED screen and I might even buy the Dell OLED when it comes out.
I dont really understand posts like that neither. Why does anybody care enough to pass judgement on people who buy expensive things?
That's not at all what's being discussed in detail. No one is asking for the 911 to cost as much as a Cayman. It's when you price a Cayman at 911 prices that's the issue.
If GP100/102 came out at $649 in June, I wouldn't have a problem with it. How much would it be reasonable to price cards like 1070/1080 then?
Again, I totally get it that some people are OK paying 1000 Euro for a Titan X, what's that have to do with the price of mid-range parts? Porsche sold the 918 for close to a million so that means 911 can go up to $400-500K?
It would be one thing if prices on the enthusiast cards went up as it's logical that people will pay. It's another thing when every single tier is increasing in price by 50-100%.
960 was literally the worst x60 series card in the last 5 generations. Such a turd would never sell in the past for $200. Yet, now because mid-range and upper-mid-range cards like 970/390/390X/980 are $330-450, a $200 960/380 2GB level turd is "good value".
Also, instead of simply stating that "Don't tell me how I should spend my money", maybe try to come up with a good counter-argument. Otherwise, you are basically stating that "I don't care, I'll pay $500-650 for next gen mid-range cards." Ok, no problem, but at least you would admit it. Many people on this forum don't even want to admit the truth, just defend the price increases.
Like I said, price inelastic R9 295X2, Radeon Pro Duo, Titan X buyers don't count. Those buyers have 0 to do with 98% of the GPU market.
I'm getting really tired of seeing posts like these. Do you go to sewing forums and tell people who spend EUR 3000 and more on a quilt machine say from Bernina or Pfaff that they are stupid because you sew by hand? Being on an enthusiast forum and complaining how people spend their money is counterproductive and offensive.
I'd pay EUR 1000 per Pascal Titan X right now if I could get them - if I could get HDR at 4k and 100Hz plus on an OLED screen and I might even buy the Dell OLED when it comes out.
Agreed, once you both also condemn the opposite. High-end hardware buyers belittling low-end purchasers. It happens quite often here.I dont really understand posts like that neither. Why does anybody care enough to pass judgement on people who buy expensive things?
Even if it's 350mm2, that's still mid-range Pascal since GP100 is 610mm2. Secondly, HBM2 Pascal = flagship. What does that make 256-bit 10-12Gbps GDDR5X chip? Mid-range.
Agreed, once you both also condemn the opposite. High-end hardware buyers belittling low-end purchasers. It happens quite often here.
That's not at all what's being discussed in detail. No one is asking for the 911 to cost as much as a Cayman. It's when you price a Cayman at 911 prices that's the issue.
If GP100/102 came out at $649 in June, I wouldn't have a problem with it. How much would it be reasonable to price cards like 1070/1080 then?
Again, I totally get it that some people are OK paying 1000 Euro for a Titan X, what's that have to do with the price of mid-range parts? Porsche sold the 918 for close to a million so that means 911 can go up to $400-500K?
It would be one thing if prices on the enthusiast cards went up as it's logical that people will pay. It's another thing when every single tier is increasing in price by 50-100%.
960 was literally the worst x60 series card in the last 5 generations. Such a turd would never sell in the past for $200. Yet, now because mid-range and upper-mid-range cards like 970/390/390X/980 are $330-450, a $200 960/380 2GB level turd is "good value".
Also, instead of simply stating that "Don't tell me how I should spend my money", maybe try to come up with a good counter-argument. Otherwise, you are basically stating that "I don't care, I'll pay $500-650 for next gen mid-range cards." Ok, no problem, but at least you would admit it. Many people on this forum don't even want to admit the truth, just defend the price increases.
Like I said, price inelastic R9 295X2, Radeon Pro Duo, Titan X buyers don't count. Those buyers have 0 to do with 98% of the GPU market.
Making the argument that the top tier cards never scale linearly in value is also not in contention. That's not what's being discussed either. I don't care if Radeon Pro Duo or Pascal Titan X are $1000-1500 cards. Make them $2000-2500, whatever. Using that argument, why keep 980Ti's successor at $649, raise that to $799-899. See how that works?
I don't care how big the die is. I don't really care if it is labeled 'mid-range' 'high-end' or 'enthusiast'.
What I do care about is the performance and the price. Based on those, I select the GPU that I want, within the power requirements I have.
This is how most sane people think, and why we tend to laugh at the ones who rant and whine that they aren't getting the chip they want at the price they want.
I dont really understand posts like that neither. Why does anybody care enough to pass judgement on people who buy expensive things?
Why? Because it affects market and me and many other people. If people won't stop buying that expensive GPU or any other computer parts just for gaming, it will lead us to the point where you will see high-end GPU for a price of used car. For example, back in 2008 I bought whole PC for something like a 1000$ and it was running everything on max settings (GTX 260 (cut GT200 chip!, not a mid-range chip), E8400, 4GB RAM) for like a 3 years except shitty GTA IV PC port. And now, only 8 years later, some people pay the same amount for the GPU only That's the thing that Russian said, till you won't stop buying that expensive cards, AMD/Nvidia won't stop raising prices.
Why? Because it affects market and me and many other people. If people won't stop buying that expensive GPU or any other computer parts just for gaming, it will lead us to the point where you will see high-end GPU for a price of used car. For example, back in 2008 I bought whole PC for something like a 1000$ and it was running everything on max settings (GTX 260 (cut GT200 chip!, not a mid-range chip), E8400, 4GB RAM) for like a 3 years except shitty GTA IV PC port. And now, only 8 years later, some people pay the same amount for the GPU only That's the thing that Russian said, till you won't stop buying that expensive cards, AMD/Nvidia won't stop raising prices.
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That's hilarious. People here said that the rumoured prices of Pascal GPUs are ridiculous but still, at the end of the day, they are eager to buy them. I don't get it.