NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[R0H1T]

So, is now a good time to sell the ol' 980 Ti to make way for the 1080 or should a person still wait? I like my 980 Ti, but if I time this right I pretty much upgrade for free or very little, right?




I thought Lisa Su also said they want to stop being the budget brand last year. But Roy Taylor just said they're pretty much trying to be the budget brand and giving up the high-end to Nvidia. I don't get it, can a company's leading figures really be so short-sighted?

They can't do much with brand perception, with the way things are today, at least not until some cataclysmic event forces Nvidia to be peasant class

It's like comparing Apple to Samsung, even though Samsung is just as much a luxury brand as Apple, & in (many) people's eyes Apple will always remain the superior (luxury) brand.

As for handing over the high end to Nvidia on a platter, that'll never happen but one has to wonder with all three console wins does AMD really need it & more importantly how much do they want it i.e. are they actually trying hard enough :\

 

[Arachnotronic]

And we got the pascal gpu in April we wanted.
.. oh wait

Nobody was saying with any confidence that GP104 was coming in April.

 

[hojnikb]

Latest bit from Chiphell mentions three VGAs again:



Geforce GTX 1060 packs 6GB GDDR5 (192-bit?).

could be an asymmetric memory configuration (like 660ti)

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

could be an asymmetric memory configuration (like 660ti)

For the love of God, please, no more creative memory setups.

If they're really launching the 1080 with GGDR5X, I can see it being a FuryX like phantom release. Technically on the market, practically permanently on pre-order for two or three months.

 

[rainy]

Yeah I don't get it either. Wonder who wants to buy a Polaris 10 if the performance just isn't there? The R9 290/390 and GTX970/980 users would have no incentive to "upgrade" to Polaris 10, no matter how much more affordable these products would be.

If you could get 20 percent more performance than 390x/290x at half of theirs TDP for reasonable price, why not?

Btw, we don't know anything about OC - what if Polaris 10 have similar capabilities like Tahiti?

 

[Pinstripe]

If you could get 20 percent more performance than 390x/290x at half of theirs TDP for reasonable price, why not?

Btw, we don't know anything about OC - what if Polaris 10 have similar capabilities like Tahiti?

It's all conjecture (as always), but I have a hard time getting convinced that a ~232mm2 Polaris chip can get to GTX 980 Ti performance. The GP104 (~315mm2) is definitely a better upgrade option for the performance user. And if Nvidia is smart and wants to keep their high market share, they'll go out and price the GTX 1070 around ~$330 again, just like with GTX 970. AMD would have no chance to compete but lowering price. But that would hurt their business as they need the high margins direly.

 

[kraatus77]

Nobody was saying with any confidence that GP104 was coming in April.

And pascal hasn't not launched yet, so crapping on amd's statement is pointless atm.

 

[Arachnotronic]

And pascal hasn't not launched yet, so crapping on amd's statement is pointless atm.

Lots of reports of imminent product launch from NV.

 

[rainy]

It's all conjecture (as always), but I have a hard time getting convinced that a ~232mm2 Polaris chip can get to GTX 980 Ti performance. The GP104 (~315mm2) is definitely a better upgrade option for the performance user. And if Nvidia is smart and wants to keep their high market share, they'll go out and price the GTX 1070 around ~$330 again, just like with GTX 970. AMD would have no chance to compete but lowering price. But that would hurt their business as they need the high margins direly.

20 percent higher performance could put Polaris 10 on Fiji territory (especially in 1080p) and not 980 Ti.
To be honest, I'm quite sceptical about 330 dollars for GTX 1070 - both 14/16nm are relatively new processes and far from being mature as it was 28nm in second half of 2014.

 

[Kenmitch]

It's all conjecture (as always), but I have a hard time getting convinced that a ~232mm2 Polaris chip can get to GTX 980 Ti performance. The GP104 (~315mm2) is definitely a better upgrade option for the performance user. And if Nvidia is smart and wants to keep their high market share, they'll go out and price the GTX 1070 around ~$330 again, just like with GTX 970. AMD would have no chance to compete but lowering price. But that would hurt their business as they need the high margins direly.

Makes no sense when you think about it. Basing your expectations on the size of the silicon without even seeing how they perform in the real world seems silly to me.

I don't know Jimmy that Polaris chip is just too small. I don't care if the performance is similar. I still feel like I got the better deal with Pascal as my chip is bigger. I got more silicon for my money....Sounds silly too me.

Everything is somewhat stacked and morphed rumours, sprinkled with magical team fairy dust currently. Best to wait for official confirmed info, data, reviews before judging performance based on size of dies.

 

[Noctifer616]

Lots of reports of imminent product launch from NV.

Imminent? Unless it's launching today I would not call it imminent.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Makes no sense when you think about it. Basing your expectations on the size of the silicone without even seeing how they perform in the real world seems silly to me.

I don't know Jimmy that Polaris chip is just too small. I don't care if the performance is similar. I still feel like I got the better deal with Pascal as my chip is bigger. I got more silicone for my money....Sounds silly too me.

Everything is somewhat stacked and morphed rumours sprinkled with magical team fairy dust currently. Best to wait for official confirmed info, data, reviews before judging performance based on size of dies.

Silicon is what semiconductor chips are made of. Silicone is a totally different thing (that, however, happens to contain silicon).

 

[Arachnotronic]

Imminent? Unless it's launching today I would not call it imminent.

That's your prerogative.

 

[Kenmitch]

Silicon is what semiconductor chips are made of. Silicone is a totally different thing (that, however, happens to contain silicon).

Sometimes you win with auto correct and sometimes you luze.

 

[Noctifer616]

That's your prerogative.

Imminent = any mommeny

Moment = 90 seconds

So no, not imminent.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Sometimes you win with auto correct and sometimes you luze.

Bwahaha, too true, too true

 

[Aristotelian]

Lots of reports of imminent product launch from NV.

I've been checking this forum daily for a while and it's "on the edge of my seat" anticipation, but I'm beginning to burn out because it's been weeks like this and still the product lineup isn't even clear yet. I wonder if these cards will even be able to do HDR/4k/100 Hz? I've seen some of that info on AMD's slides (display port 1.3 etc) but not much from Nvidia's side. Need more infos...

 

[MrTeal]

Latest bit from Chiphell mentions three VGAs again:



Geforce GTX 1060 packs 6GB GDDR5 (192-bit?).

A 192-bit GDDR5 bus seems like a reasonable possibility. I would envision that would make GP104-150 three full GPCs out of four, with 1920 CUDA cores. If they run at 8Gbps, that'd be about 15% less bandwidth than a stock 980 which has 2048 CC's. That's assuming that nVidia keeps the same FP32 CC/GPC ratio as GP100, but that's what they did between GK110 and GK104.

That had better be a pretty reasonably priced GPU though.

 

[Sweepr]

A 192-bit GDDR5 bus seems like a reasonable possibility. I would envision that would make GP104-150 three full GPCs out of four, with 1920 CUDA cores. If they run at 8Gbps, that'd be about 15% less bandwidth than a stock 980 which has 2048 CC's. That's assuming that nVidia keeps the same FP32 CC/GPC ratio as GP100, but that's what they did between GK110 and GK104.

That had better be a pretty reasonably priced GPU though.

Nearly the same bandwidth as Geforce GTX 970 as well. HWBattle was the first to leak info about this SKU, and that's what they said:

Lastly, GP104-150 would be AIB-only version with performance close to GTX 970.

Looks like a lean and mean Pascal-based replacement. >70% more VRAM is nice.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Nobody was saying with any confidence that GP104 was coming in April.

nobody eh..
2 people that constantly responds here were saying pascal on april
then on mid april they started pascal on may
now what? you say "imminent" like a press release for editors is somehow a launch

 

[Arachnotronic]

nobody eh..
2 people that constantly responds here were saying pascal on april
then on mid april they started pascal on may
now what? you say "imminent" like a press release for editors is somehow a launch

GM204 launched to the general public shortly after the 2014 Editors Day, IIRC.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6...014-events-parties-and-lots-of-fun/index.html

 

[kraatus77]

GM204 was available to the general public shortly after NVIDIA's 2014 Editor's Day, FYI.

Is any GTX pascal card available today ? no
any polaris card ? no
which gpu has been on demo ? polaris

which company has said anything about launch date ? Amd (june- july)

so unless GTX pascal is available to buy before polaris, you can't dismiss anything AMD has said about availability yet. because they are the one who has demoed their gpus.

pascal chip we have seen is a quality sample from 2-3 weeks ago, that means no major retail availability for atleast a month from now.(you can note this now).

anything else is just rumors same as polaris 10 being ~980ti performance. which can be true/false.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

GM204 launched to the general public shortly after the 2014 Editors Day, IIRC.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6...014-events-parties-and-lots-of-fun/index.html

yes 2 weeks almost after the press editor event
so 15 days from the press editor event + 5 from today is almost 3 weeks
which suprised suprise its gtc ring any bells?
unless ofc you are suggesting that they gonna launch it before and go on the gtc to re launch it because why not

 

[Riek]

Nearly the same bandwidth as Geforce GTX 970 as well. HWBattle was the first to leak info about this SKU, and that's what they said:



Looks like a lean and mean Pascal-based replacement. >70% more VRAM is nice.

lean mean? that would put it in the range of a polaris 10 derivative at a 40% bigger die size..
Actually even the 1070 will probably be a toss up against polaris 10 given the available bandwidth on both.. this for a chip that is 40% bigger..
Honestly given the rumours i'm not all that convinced for pascal..

(rumours being polaris10 and 1070 close to 980ti)

 

[sontin]

lean mean? that would put it in the range of a polaris 10 derivative at a 40% bigger die size..
Actually even the 1070 will probably be a toss up against polaris 10 given the available bandwidth on both.. this for a chip that is 40% bigger..
Honestly given the rumours i'm not all that convinced for pascal..

(rumours being polaris10 and 1070 close to 980ti)

GP104 will be much, much faster than Polaris 10 if Polaris 10 is around 240mm^2.