NVIDIA Pascal Thread

[Beavermatic]

I had 980's when they were first released, but kept having VRAM issues in some games at 4k with antialiasing, so I bought a pair of NVidia Titan X's on launch day. That 12GB vram really smoothed things out.

I was really hoping to see Titan-grade pascal card with significantly more than 8GB of vram, as I'd love to get a couple 1080's (have had the cash burning a hole in my pocket for a while now), but I've already got a few games that report they use near 10GB+ of vram (GTA V being one), and while I know GDDR5X on the 1080 is faster than the GDDR5 on the Titan X, 8gb of vram is still a 8gb buffer, and games that use more than 8gb will start having stutter/drops again.

I guess the current trade off is slightly less performance on the Titan X, but more capable in the VRAM buffer for those of us trying to do 4x AA at 4k resolutions, lol. I really think the once the benchmarks come out, we will see some slight gain over the 980ti/Titan X maxwells in overall fps, but serious issues with the 1080 once the vram limit is maxed (like what the 980/980ti & Fiji 4GB HBM chips experience). To me, 8GB is the absolute bare minimum to even do 4k with all details maxed and minimal AA (if any).

Wonder how long until they release a 12 or 16GB RAM variant of pascal for commercial market?

 

[MagickMan]

I'm betting the 1080TI will have >8GB of HBM, we'll likely see it in Q1 or early Q2 of 2017.

 

[Beavermatic]

I'm betting the 1080TI will have >8GB of HBM, we'll likely see it in Q1 or early Q2 of 2017.

That still doesn't fix the problem, sadly. Faster ram bandwidth does not increase buffer size limiations. If a game is going to process 12GB of vram data, and you only have 8GB aperture, it's still going to stutter badly when as it exceeds that.

This is going to be a tricky beast to decide on.... performance gain, but VRAM stutter? Or no vram stutter, but a bit less performance. As every game runs like butter now, even in VR (which I leave SLI disabled for), I'm pretty sure that the VRAM stutter and hangs would be far worse to deal with than maybe 5 or 10fps faster. Think I'll just wait for a bigger pascal to release.

 

[MagickMan]

I'm saying it'll have >8GB, probably 16GB, if I had to guess.

 

[Beavermatic]

I'm saying it'll have >8GB, probably 16GB, if I had to guess.

Ahh gotcha. Sorry, missed that >

 

[xpea]

Doom using Vulkan on GTX1080 yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueRjbYdcXbs

 

[Silverforce11]

Doom using Vulkan on GTX1080 yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueRjbYdcXbs

That's awesome, glad to know they are pushing Vulkan. I really expect these big guys of graphics, like ID, DICE, Crytek etc to push next-gen APIs in all their games from now onwards.

 

[tenks]

Well... technically, he's right about the TAM part. The GTX 970 was already "VR Ready" by the metric AMD is using (SteamVR benchmark), and GTX 1070 will be slightly more expensive than that. Therefore, this wave of GP104-based Pascal cards won't "expand the TAM for VR" since they won't bring "VR Ready" performance to a lower price point.

He guessed wrong on the specific Pascal prices, but he did admit that was just speculation on his part.



Agreed. More specifically, the marketing staff usually won't tell direct lies, but they will tell selective truths and paint everything in the light that best suits their side.

This is thread crapping. You said AMD.


You're not the moderator in this forum and you're well on your way of having your access revoked.

YOU stop the thread crapping and stay on topic.

-Rvenger

 

[railven]

Well, not sure what happened here in the last 24hrs, but it seems the mods are serious.

So, trying to catch up on all the info/speculation/hate, I watched as much of the feed as I could.

Has anyone found any info on what the Founder's cards are? I'm entertaining the idea they are limited offered cards to select few through whatever promotion NV chooses to do. Makes me think of the Day 1 Xbone consoles or the PSVita Starter pak things. Charge more, add extra goodies to entice.

I'm all in for two 1080's @ $600, but $700, no thanks. GF said she might be happy with just a plain GTX 1070 (since she was expecting my 980 Ti anyways) but at that Founder price, woof.


All in all, good show by NV. Now to wait to see what the cards hit the market at. I got a good offer on my 980 Ti and I might sell it next week.

 

[tenks]

Well, not sure what happened here in the last 24hrs, but it seems the mods are serious.

They don't even read the posts they are modding. Any mention of anything other than Nvidia = trouble. Apparently anandtech forums are no longer a place for open discussion and debate.


p.s. paying my admin tax: Nvidia is great, 1080 gtx is so fast. Don't mind me, i've only been posting here for a decade with 0 infractions until today...Hmmmm!?!







Apparently you didn't believe the VC&G announcement either.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Bacon1]

Well, not sure what happened here in the last 24hrs, but it seems the mods are serious.

So, trying to catch up on all the info/speculation/hate, I watched as much of the feed as I could.

Has anyone found any info on what the Founder's cards are? I'm entertaining the idea they are limited offered cards to select few through whatever promotion NV chooses to do. Makes me think of the Day 1 Xbone consoles or the PSVita Starter pak things. Charge more, add extra goodies to entice.

I'm all in for two 1080's @ $600, but $700, no thanks. GF said she might be happy with just a plain GTX 1070 (since she was expecting my 980 Ti anyways) but at that Founder price, woof.

All in all, good show by NV. Now to wait to see what the cards hit the market at. I got a good offer on my 980 Ti and I might sell it next week.

Founder cards appear to be the "stock" cards direct from Nvidia. Nvidia said that the 3rd party ones would "start at" $379 / $599 so they might end up just as high as the Founder ones. Also the non-founder aren't releasing at the same time, and who knows if they will be able to clock as high as apparently the cooler on the Founder edition is a beast.

 

[Baasha]

The only question is, can the VRAM be additive since DX12 is here? So 4x 1080 means 32GB VRAM? I think 5K Surround is finally doable?

 

[JimmiG]

Founder cards appear to be the "stock" cards direct from Nvidia. Nvidia said that the 3rd party ones would "start at" $379 / $599 so they might end up just as high as the Founder ones. Also the non-founder aren't releasing at the same time, and who knows if they will be able to clock as high as apparently the cooler on the Founder edition is a beast.

I think the main reason for the "Founder" cards is that they will be available first, and in limited quantity. That way Nvidia can claim they have "released" the 1080 even if they only sell a very limited quantity through their own website. So if you want the a card on "release day", you have to pay a premium. General availability will be when you can actually buy third party OEM cards in stores.

 

[railven]

Founder cards appear to be the "stock" cards direct from Nvidia. Nvidia said that the 3rd party ones would "start at" $379 / $599 so they might end up just as high as the Founder ones. Also the non-founder aren't releasing at the same time, and who knows if they will be able to clock as high as apparently the cooler on the Founder edition is a beast.

I've read that here. Guess I'll just have to wait. No way I'm dropping $700 for a videocard (but then again I said my price cap was $600 before. haha.)

Welps, see how long I can resist the scratch that itch.

 

[Pottuvoi]

The only question is, can the VRAM be additive since DX12 is here? So 4x 1080 means 32GB VRAM? I think 5K Surround is finally doable?

If developers do different things on all cards, then you could get decent amount of memory can be additive.

Something like huge water simulation running on single card and rendering on one, lighting on third..

 

[Termie]

I think the main reason for the "Founder" cards is that they will be available first, and in limited quantity. That way Nvidia can claim they have "released" the 1080 even if they only sell a very limited quantity through their own website. So if you want the a card on "release day", you have to pay a premium. General availability will be when you can actually buy third party OEM cards in stores.

This.

I doubt very highly that the founder cards will clock higher. Heck, the 2144MHz overclock they showed off was only about 13% above stock in game boost clock. The cooler likely is more expensive to produce than open air models, but not $100 more.

Of course all of this makes sense if you look back to 2014. For about six weeks after launch of the 980, supplies were so limited that you could only buy it direct from nvidia, and premiums were collected by eBay resellers.

Nvidia is making the nvidia-direct approach official, and absorbing the premium that resellers would otherwise collect.

This hits EVGA owners especially hard, as many that recently bought a card will not be able to step up.

And while board partners are probably upset about it, nvidia is giving them a chance to clear inventory, as the GTX 980 Ti can easily continue to sell for $600 as long as the 1080 is $700, in short supply, and only available on the nvidia website, where more casual shoppers will not know to look.

 

[xpea]

I doubt very highly that the founder cards will clock higher. Heck, the 2144MHz overclock they showed off was only about 13% above stock in game boost clock. The cooler likely is more expensive to produce than open air models, but not $100 more.

Officially:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10304/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-1080-1070

GTX1080 stock is 1607MHz core and 1733MHz boost
So 2144MHz is not 13% OC but 24%

 

[Sweepr]

Results should be leaked in two days according to Chiphell user purplewolfaaa. Apparently reviewers got the card after the conference.

Ps: I already voiced my opinion on this with mods. IMHO considering this is a news thread, not the 'Pascal Owner's Thread', it should be at the VC&G forum, where almost all news/rumours about new VGAs are posted.

 

[Head1985]

We already know firestrike score.
25% faster than 980TI.

I am more interested in 1070 than 700USD 1080.Why they didnt show 1070 specs?And it looks like reviews have only 1080 samples not 1070.So 1070 reviews will be on July 10?

 

[Termie]

Officially:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10304/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-gtx-1080-1070

GTX1080 stock is 1607MHz core and 1733MHz boost
So 2144MHz is not 13% OC but 24%

That's not how GeForce clocks work. The published clock is not the in-game clock.

 

[zentan]

Ps: I already voiced my opinion on this with mods. IMHO considering this is a news thread, not the 'Pascal Owner's Thread', it should be at the VC&G forum, where almost all news/rumours about new VGAs are posted.

Agreed. +1 for that

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-1080-photos.html

The cards where available in large quantities alright.

I can see many people FUDing against the availability of the Pascal cards everywhere on here and other forums, some people just can't accept the bitter truth.

 

[xpea]

Zotac has already the 1080 on their website:
https://www.zotac.com/gb/product/graphics_card/geforce-gtx-1080

 

[exar333]

This.

I doubt very highly that the founder cards will clock higher. Heck, the 2144MHz overclock they showed off was only about 13% above stock in game boost clock. The cooler likely is more expensive to produce than open air models, but not $100 more.

Of course all of this makes sense if you look back to 2014. For about six weeks after launch of the 980, supplies were so limited that you could only buy it direct from nvidia, and premiums were collected by eBay resellers.

Nvidia is making the nvidia-direct approach official, and absorbing the premium that resellers would otherwise collect.

This hits EVGA owners especially hard, as many that recently bought a card will not be able to step up.

And while board partners are probably upset about it, nvidia is giving them a chance to clear inventory, as the GTX 980 Ti can easily continue to sell for $600 as long as the 1080 is $700, in short supply, and only available on the nvidia website, where more casual shoppers will not know to look.

Pretty pessimistic, and based only on speculation. Not saying it won't happen, but we have to wait and see. In regards to 'hitting evga users hard' that's a total exaggeration. There never was a firm release date until the announcement, and you can't buy and expect the next product will be arriving without confirmation. Also, you don't need stock available for the step up to 'lock in' the new card. It just might be a few weeks longer until the card is available. It does need to exist tho.

 

[Termie]

Pretty pessimistic, and based only on speculation. Not saying it won't happen, but we have to wait and see. In regards to 'hitting evga users hard' that's a total exaggeration. There never was a firm release date until the announcement, and you can't buy and expect the next product will be arriving without confirmation. Also, you don't need stock available for the step up to 'lock in' the new card. It just might be a few weeks longer until the card is available. It does need to exist tho.

Speculation indeed, but informed by having closely followed past product releases, and common knowledge that GDDR5X is not available in quantity.

I hope I'm wrong, as I'd like to buy a $600 GTX 1080 as soon as possible. I do not, however, want to buy a $700 1080.