CakeMonster
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Would make sense cost wise. It wouldn't be too badly gimped b/w wise either, at least not compared to the previous generation with improved compression in mind.
1070's (FE) specs say it's based on PCI-e 3.0. So is it reasonable to buy the card for z97 chipset (i7 4790) with few PCI-e 3.0 lines? I've been configuring a new desktop and I was informed that 1070 on Haswell (z97) will not show all its capabilities. Could you please clear it up? It would be a pity to have to get outdated 970 GPU for z97...
1070's (FE) specs say it's based on PCI-e 3.0. So is it reasonable to buy the card for z97 chipset (i7 4790) with few PCI-e 3.0 lines? I've been configuring a new desktop and I was informed that 1070 on Haswell (z97) will not show all its capabilities. Could you please clear it up? It would be a pity to have to get outdated 970 GPU for z97...
Is anyone else completely under-whelmed by the 1080 performance? I don't know what I was expecting but I sure expected a heck of a lot more than what we got. And the overclocks are misreable.. most of the cards only managing +120 to +170 Mhz OC?
I guess the days of GTX 960's and 970's doing +400 Mhz and +500 mhz with just afterburner software and nothing else are long gone with nvidia now.
So if I get 1070 + Samsung 950 pro SSD PCI-e, there will be enough 3.0 lines?Just to clear it up for you. If you want haswell for some reason, yes haswell has full PCIE-16x-3.0 for the entire GTX 1070 line.
Suprisingly in my city i7-6700K costs even a bit cheaper than i7-4790K. The only reason for my Haswell consideration is Windows 7, I'm going to use on the new desktop (discussing it in General Hardware section). The above mentioned tech guy (whom I was planning to order the desktop building) said, that these days they only offer Haswell desktops for customers and refuse to build on Skylake.Unless you're getting a really good deal on the Haswell chip, you should probably just avoid it and go Skylake. Otherwise you're buying into a dead chipset with no future room to upgrade, and it will be slower. The skylake chips have come down from their initial ridiculous prices
Is anyone else completely under-whelmed by the 1080 performance? I don't know what I was expecting but I sure expected a heck of a lot more than what we got.
There was to much Hype with the Nvidia paper launch, it was a let down after the cards release for me also.Is anyone else completely under-whelmed by the 1080 performance? I don't know what I was expecting but I sure expected a heck of a lot more than what we got. And the overclocks are misreable.. most of the cards only managing +120 to +170 Mhz OC?
I guess the days of GTX 960's and 970's doing +400 Mhz and +500 mhz with just afterburner software and nothing else are long gone with nvidia now.
Deders, Kithylin, thanks, for the clarification! That's what I've expected. The techie from a nearby PC store has tried to assure me that I have to buy 970/980 with Haswell. I've doubted it, but thought it has something to do with motherboard capacity required for 1070, but from your information it seems that unfortunately he just might trying to make me buy outdated GPUs from their shelves.
So if I get 1070 + Samsung 950 pro SSD PCI-e, there will be enough 3.0 lines?
Is anyone else completely under-whelmed by the 1080 performance? I don't know what I was expecting but I sure expected a heck of a lot more than what we got. And the overclocks are misreable.. most of the cards only managing +120 to +170 Mhz OC?
I guess the days of GTX 960's and 970's doing +400 Mhz and +500 mhz with just afterburner software and nothing else are long gone with nvidia now.
No SLI - only one 1070 card. Much thanks for the suggestion!It depends on the system. If you use a 950 Pro on Z97 / Haswell system, I think it will limit you to one video card (No SLI), and even then will drop the single video card down to 8x.
I think if you try and use 950 with SLI on two video cards it will disable all of the onboard sata ports and run both cards at 8x8x, or may not even work.
For a definitive answer.. I have a suggestion for you. Find the z97 motherboard you would like to buy, and then go find the manufacturer's website and either email them or open a support ticket and mention it as a pre-purchase question. Ask them directly what to expect trying to use a samsung 950 m.2 card and ask them if it will still do SLI with a 950 at all. It may not even have enough lanes to do that.
I do not know for sure honestly but the companies that make the boards would know 100% and help you understand that.
No SLI - only one 1070 card. Much thanks for the suggestion!
No SLI - only one 1070 card. Much thanks for the suggestion!
I think if you try and use 950 with SLI on two video cards it will disable all of the onboard sata ports and run both cards at 8x8x, or may not even work.
For a definitive answer.. I have a suggestion for you. Find the z97 motherboard you would like to buy, and then go find the manufacturer's website and either email them or open a support ticket and mention it as a pre-purchase question. Ask them directly what to expect trying to use a samsung 950 m.2 card and ask them if it will still do SLI with a 950 at all. It may not even have enough lanes to do that.
I do not know for sure honestly but the companies that make the boards would know 100% and help you understand that.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Nvidi...e-GTX-1070-Custom-Designs-Uebersicht-1198014/u
MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X - 291W.
Is it true?
Suprisingly in my city i7-6700K costs even a bit cheaper than i7-4790K. The only reason for my Haswell consideration is Windows 7, I'm going to use on the new desktop (discussing it in General Hardware section). The above mentioned tech guy (whom I was planning to order the desktop building) said, that these days they only offer Haswell desktops for customers and refuse to build on Skylake.
Looks like 6+8 pin is the culprit, that & the (lemon?) chip!Very interesting, but then why does the water cooled seahawk offer only 200w? And what overclocking tools did they use to get 291w?
pretty much all the aib's have at least a 6 and 8 pin, meaning 300W can safely get to the card.Looks like 6+8 pin is the culprit, that & the (lemon?) chip!
The link in the post you quoted only has a handful of AIB 1070s having anything more than an 8pin.pretty much all the aib's have at least a 6 and 8 pin, meaning 300W can safely get to the card.
The limiting factors for how much they will actually draw when overclocked will primarily be the bios programmed power limit, voltage, and of course chip quality.
The link in the post you quoted only has a handful of AIB 1070s having anything more than an 8pin.
www.pcgameshardware.de/Nvidia-Pascal-Hardware-261713/Specials/Geforce-GTX-1070-Custom-Designs-Uebersicht-1198014
The 291 watt max power draw, very likely in a stress test, indicates that the card isn't artificially throttling due to a power virus.
The other cards do, so there's not much else to infer from the chart on that page.