Meh. Nvidia will do the same for the pc as Intel did. These prices is killing the market long term.
Lets see at the next gen consoles to see how smart it was.
Meh. Nvidia will do the same for the pc as Intel did. These prices is killing the market long term.While it's a nice bonus they can use some of the same chips for gaming and pro markets, I don't think that is the real reason behind having the HW on gaming GPUs.
I think they want to make Ray Tracing in games, the next big thing. If they succeed, that puts AMD even further behind for gaming. It will probably take years for AMD to get some dedicated Ray Tracing that makes a good showing while not violating any NVidia patents.
It's all about crushing AMD under their boot, or kicking them when they are down.
What do you want me to do?Huh?
In these PC times, maybe I'll leave it at that.
"Just ordered a 2080. Cost me excactly twice as much as the launch day price i got a vega 56 for to one of the kids."
"This is not consumer rip off. Its consumer rape in full public."
While it's a nice bonus they can use some of the same chips for gaming and pro markets, I don't think that is the real reason behind having the HW on gaming GPUs.
I think they want to make Ray Tracing in games, the next big thing. If they succeed, that puts AMD even further behind for gaming. It will probably take years for AMD to get some dedicated Ray Tracing that makes a good showing while not violating any NVidia patents.
It's all about crushing AMD under their boot, or kicking them when they are down.
That's a new 250B market they did not have access to before Turning, with its ray-tracing engines.Anandtech said:07:55PM EDT - NVIDIA wants a bigger piece of the pie in the visual effects industry
07:58PM EDT - "Large render farms". Now imagine if they were full of Quadros instead of Xeons...
This is probably the intended market with Turing.
That's a new 250B market they did not have access to before Turning, with its ray-tracing engines.
Ray-tracing in games with gimpworks is likely a afterthought..
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13215/nvidia-siggraph-2018-keynote-live-blog-4pm-pacific
It can be both.
If RT had no place in gaming they would make separate Gaming chips. Just like they did for the first deep learning chips.
They could also have revealed non Real Time ray tracing years ago, for the professional markets, but I think it is telling that they waited until they got to the point that they can do it in real time RT for games before making a push.
IMO the Ray tracing push for gaming is as, if not more important than for the pro market.
It's another moat they will have against AMD in gaming. It strengthens NVidias near monopoly in gaming, and gaming is still their biggest revenue generator.
That big arse monolithic die is likely kicking their but on manuf cost just like intel.NV is outdoing Intel IMO.
OK, serious answer here.What do you want me to do?
I take nv shareholder rape to less fps. I am not going to pretend i dont know i was cheated. But i am a gamer.
These prices on a depreciated 12nm line is obviously historical high. No amount of raytrace whatever marketing nonsense can hide that.
Due to the crazy prices. Lots of perspective imo for gaming.Well that was underwhelming.
We didn't get any sort of a useful benchmark.Well that was underwhelming.
Yeah, but most games still won't be developed with ray tracing as a core feature, because most games are cross-platform and the PS5 won't have a strong ray tracing GPU lol. I'm not worried about my GTX 1080 falling behind too quickly lol
While it's a nice bonus they can use some of the same chips for gaming and pro markets, I don't think that is the real reason behind having the HW on gaming GPUs.
I think they want to make Ray Tracing in games, the next big thing. If they succeed, that puts AMD even further behind for gaming. It will probably take years for AMD to get some dedicated Ray Tracing that makes a good showing while not violating any NVidia patents.
It's all about crushing AMD under their boot, or kicking them when they are down.
The average gamer will not pay 600 usd for a 2017. The 1070 was clearly a stretch and people went to 1060 6gb. 970 was spot on for price.OK, serious answer here.
What if these cards came out next year? Would you still enjoy gaming in the intervening period?
If yes, then you don't need it.
To state the blindingly obvious, people buying these, fuels the price increase with positive feedback. What do most here think would happen, with even a 3-4 month refusal to buy at these prices, from the average gamer.
Luckily ray tracing in hardware was done 10 years before now and fully detailed.While it's a nice bonus they can use some of the same chips for gaming and pro markets, I don't think that is the real reason behind having the HW on gaming GPUs.
I think they want to make Ray Tracing in games, the next big thing. If they succeed, that puts AMD even further behind for gaming. It will probably take years for AMD to get some dedicated Ray Tracing that makes a good showing while not violating any NVidia patents.
It's all about crushing AMD under their boot, or kicking them when they are down.
I think you are ignoring how easy it is to do Ray Tracing from a Dev perspective. It's Tons of work to fake out lighting/shadows/reflections with rasterization, but Ray tracing is more like turn it on and it works.
An unfortunate thing that might happen is that devs spend less time tweaking all faked out rasterized stuff to perfection, when they can just do "good enough" for rasterized, and say turn on Ray Tracing if you want the best effects.
There's no way prices are going to elevate higher above these already insane MSRPs.Jensen be all about dem gigarays. When will we get real perf numbers? About 4 weeks. Stay tuned folks, and preorder! Also, $499 for AIB 2070 cards, while we have new 1080's at $450 or so. GTX 2060 will be out in November much like the delay with the 960 cards.
But hey, these prices will help them move the glut of older cards out first. Certainly has me watching 1080 and 1080 ti prices. I doubt we'll see stable pricing near msrp till after the holiday season.
I think you are ignoring how easy it is to do Ray Tracing from a Dev perspective. It's Tons of work to fake out lighting/shadows/reflections with rasterization, but Ray tracing is more like turn it on and it works.
An unfortunate thing that might happen is that devs spend less time tweaking all faked out rasterized stuff to perfection, when they can just do "good enough" for rasterized, and say turn on Ray Tracing if you want the best effects.
My thoughts exactly.There's no way prices are going to elevate higher above these already insane MSRPs.
I'm maybe thinking about the 2070 but with no performance details that's still questionable. If what I hear is correct 2070 has no nvlink you can just about forget it. $800 is ridiculous for an nvlink'd 2080 that I am still unsure about the hardware access gimping. $1200 for a 1080ti is outright comedy .
This is what got Intel into trouble and I'm sure come 2019, Nvidia is going to be a steep price.
12nm ... being phased out by 7nm in one year and this is the way you launch a product you need people to critically adapt? KEK
I'd have bought one if I thought they'd be unavailable, prices would rise, and I'd be able to charge some pleb double msrp on ebay.. I don't think that is even possible or profitable after fees.
No way prices go above MSRP. The 2070 is the only reasonable card. However, if 2070 has no Nvlink, its DOA.
1080/1080ti are still in stock for pre-order as one would expect at these prices after hours sitting on Nvidia's website
Fair enough, the < 1 %.The average gamer will not pay 600 usd for a 2017. The 1070 was clearly a stretch and people went to 1060 6gb. 970 was spot on for price.
Dont worry. Nv will see.
Btw i -need- this card for bf1 bf5 4k or it simply will not work at that res even at lower settings and my min fps will go low. So not waiting.
Will change again at 7nm. Hopefully world is changed then.
NVIDIA is pushing 21 games right now:Yeah, but most games still won't be developed with ray tracing as a core feature,
. Actually I'd guess that Nvidia might be most concerned with Apple now that they're doing their own GPU, and seeing how quickly Apple advanced their CPU.
The reason I say that is that Microsoft is actually a big player in the push for ray-tracing (actually aren't they the ones even dictating the standards that Nvidia is using for their hardware for games? They had the ray-tracing announcement awhile back and its being baked into DX12), and Microsoft works with AMD on the Xbox, so I'm sure AMD has an idea of the type of hardware they'll need. While I personally think we'll see limited ray-tracing hardware in consoles before they basically become streaming boxes, I do think Microsoft has an interest in making sure that Nvidia isn't the only player for the cloud processing so that they can try and keep costs from going totally bonkers and so Microsoft can keep control over where things go.