Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

[Caveman]

Wait for the reviews and see what performance is like.

So... When can we expect to see the performance reviews?

 

[Newbian]

So... When can we expect to see the performance reviews?

Check back in a month or so.

Other then that who knows so just check back every few days here or on other sites.

 

[dlerious]

I think it's obvious that Turing's architecture won't be much faster. If it was that much faster, why have they launched the Ti edition immediately? They launched with the 2080 Ti because the 2080 would not have been much of an improvement over the 1080 Ti. Secondly, if it was much faster in traditional performance Jensen and the marketing folks would have mentioned it. Finally, why are they shipping a "factory overclocked" reference design? Because the earliest benchmarks often compare new cards to the last generation reference cards. It will be a better buy than the Titan Xp but that's it.

They launched the Ti version because they're going to do a refresh on 7nm next year.

 

[zinfamous]

[comments about 4k@60fps]

These are just people saying what they saw in 5 games. Or what they heard.

where are the benchmarks?

where are the reviews?

no one has posted anything beyond some person in some article saying what they saw (or, really, what they heard.).

 

[zinfamous]

OT, just went through a 7.0 earthquake. Not nice, certainly puts some fear in you.

wut, where?

 

[PeterScott]

So... When can we expect to see the performance reviews?

I think NVidia often lifts embargo right before shipping, so we might not see anything but occasional leaks for a nearly a month. Argh.

 

[Kenmitch]

When was the last time JHH was doing a presentation about a complete paradigm shifting architecture?

There is no precedent for the this shift.

What do you think they are trying to hide? Are you another one trying to pretend the didn't even achieve the 30% gain from units/clockspeed/memory bandwidth?

Huh? So you don't know?

I just asked a simple question. There's no need to go on the defense for nvidia. Chill out and maybe it'll cure your stutter typing.

The truth is out there.

 

[tviceman]

I was among the many that said Nvidia would hit 40-50% performance improvements across the board.... it's no obvious they won't. Turing is going to be a short-lived, ill-received architecture. As cool as ray tracing may be, Turing sounds like it's (way) ahead of it's time and significantly underpowered for what it's designed to do.

Dud is a dud is a dud. Apparently, not even the well oiled machine that Nvidia has become is impervious to potentially huge mistakes.

 

[maddie]

wut, where?

Trinidad, off Venezuela. Very deep so not the worst outcome. U.S. Geological Survey saying 7.3. 1st time ever felt vertical movement in a quake.

 

[MrTeal]

I was among the many that said Nvidia would hit 40-50% performance improvements across the board.... it's no obvious they won't. Turing is going to be a short-lived, ill-received architecture. As cool as ray tracing may be, Turing sounds like it's (way) ahead of it's time and significantly underpowered for what it's designed to do.

Dud is a dud is a dud. Apparently, not even the well oiled machine that Nvidia has become is impervious to potentially huge mistakes.

Even if it's a mistake, we'll have to see if there's any real consequences to it in the long term. Nvidia has shown in the past they can ride out a generation where they have performed poorly with barely a hiccup on their image or brand loyalty, even when they ended up looking poor relative to the competition. They chugged on through FX vs R300 despite being completely outmatched, and survived Fermi being a late somewhat disappointment after an already poor Tesla cycle. Here they're really only competing against their own previous generation baring a huge move by AMD.

Nvidia can afford to try and push a paradigm shift and a move into a new market onto the backs of gamers because outside clearing out existing Pascal inventory there's no real other options for someone looking at GTX 1080 and up levels of performance right now.

 

[moonbogg]

I am wondering about something. If I get into a firefight in BF5 with someone, and they have maxed graphics with ray tracing, and I toss a flare at them or shine a flashlight at their character, will they lag out and then I can take advantage and Pwn them? Flashbangs in a modern shooter might actually lag someone out, lol? Funny, but ridiculous because it might be true. Equip a flashlight and you have protection against players with raytracing. They will avoid you because you make them lag.

 

[zinfamous]

Trinidad, off Venezuela. Very deep so not the worst outcome. U.S. Geological Survey saying 7.3. 1st time ever felt vertical movement in a quake.

ah yes, I know Trinidad. Damn man. ...ind of on the opposite side of where the earthquakes are supposed to be, right, or is that common there?

Then again, you are living on, essentially, a Volcanic deposit, right?

 

[zinfamous]

I am wondering about something. If I get into a firefight in BF5 with someone, and they have maxed graphics with ray tracing, and I toss a flare at them or shine a flashlight at their character, will they lag out and then I can take advantage and Pwn them? Flashbangs in a modern shooter might actually lag someone out, lol? Funny, but ridiculous because it might be true. Equip a flashlight and you have protection against players with raytracing. They will avoid you because you make them lag.

OH no! He's got a flashlight! HAX!

Flashlights will be banned. There will be a forum-led campaign, and very, very, very few will care to support this movement, lol. I mean, the 1% is the 1%, right?

 

[Newbian]

I am wondering about something. If I get into a firefight in BF5 with someone, and they have maxed graphics with ray tracing, and I toss a flare at them or shine a flashlight at their character, will they lag out and then I can take advantage and Pwn them? Flashbangs in a modern shooter might actually lag someone out, lol? Funny, but ridiculous because it might be true. Equip a flashlight and you have protection against players with raytracing. They will avoid you because you make them lag.

Don't you know but everyone only plays at 480p resolution with the lowest settings to make it easier to kill people in fps?

Reminds me back in the days with smoke grenades and people that kept settings on high crying over the lag even with high end computers then when a lot of games had low settings that gave you a huge advantage.

 

[maddie]

ah yes, I know Trinidad. Damn man. ...ind of on the opposite side of where the earthquakes are supposed to be, right, or is that common there?

Then again, you are living on, essentially, a Volcanic deposit, right?

Not us. Islands to north volcanic. We are on the nexus of 3 plates. Fair # of quakes but lots of oil & gas.

 

[maddie]

I am wondering about something. If I get into a firefight in BF5 with someone, and they have maxed graphics with ray tracing, and I toss a flare at them or shine a flashlight at their character, will they lag out and then I can take advantage and Pwn them? Flashbangs in a modern shooter might actually lag someone out, lol? Funny, but ridiculous because it might be true. Equip a flashlight and you have protection against players with raytracing. They will avoid you because you make them lag.

Now that is funny.

 

[piesquared]

So, where are we on the hype train? Is 2.5GHz and 50% faster across the board without developer intervention still on the table? I forsee train derailment with a very sharp bend in the track ahead. The beefy cooling is really pointing to a hot running chip. It probably really guzzles power when all those extra units are utilized. I think nvidia made a poor design decision here, especially at the price they are asking gamers to buy into it for. I doubt they will be willing to pay the prices nvidia is asking and needs to sell them for (given the huge die size and custom process) to be beta testers for questionable benefits to in game image quality at what seems to he a drastic reduction in performance. IMO they made a big miscalculation on what gamers want, but their intentions may be to attempt forced adoption, ala gamesworks.
Depending on AMD's strategy, they may even be able to produce their cutting edge 7nm chips cheaper than nvidia can produce their 12nm chips. If Rt doesn't catch on, nvidia would suddenly be at a disadvantage due to the added complexity and transistor budget they spent on those specialized units.

 

[moonbogg]

So, where are we on the hype train?

Looks like the track has yet to be laid. We'll talk about the train later.

 

[alcoholbob]

I don't think so because why compare to the 1080ti then?

I doubt the 1080ti could manage the 30fps range with RT.

He said 2080 Ti will get you 2x the perf of 1080 Ti with 4K DLSS. The 4K infiltrator demo was simply to show that claim to be true. But with the DLSS off, you aren't going to get that performance difference.

Again, if we were really going to get 2x the perf of Pascal in regular gaming, JHH would have showed us already as he did during Pascal and Maxwell reveals.

 

[moonbogg]

He said 2080 Ti will get you 2x the perf of 1080 Ti with 4K DLSS. The 4K infiltrator demo was simply to show that claim to be true. But with the DLSS off, you aren't going to get that performance difference.

Again, if we were really going to get 2x the perf of Pascal in regular gaming, JHH would have showed us already as he did during Pascal and Maxwell reveals.

What a pile of overpriced crap. I haven't said such strong words yet about this launch, but the time has now come. The 2080 Ti would be a good card at $750-800, but no more. The $50-100 premium would be for the ray tracing, and that seems appropriate.

It should have about 20ish% more gaming performance than 1080Ti (maybe a bit more?) and some ray tracing ability for you to play around with to get a glimpse of the future for gaming, a sort of sneak peek. But this is not a prime time, high performance ray tracing product. Its more of a regular GPU with ray tracing demo capabilities and should be priced as such.

 

[Ken g6]

Don't you know but everyone only plays at 480p resolution with the lowest settings to make it easier to kill people in fps?

Actually, that's what DLSS is for. It lets you play at 480p and still have it look halfway decent on your 4k monitor. Too bad BFV doesn't support it.

 

[mohit9206]

Yes $800 seems very reasonable for 2080Ti but if people are willing to pay $1200, then Jen is right, if it sells then it is the correct price.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Turned the TV on and that Southpark episode is on where Cartman asks for lipstick because he likes to look pretty before he gets effed.

Where's my lipstick Jensen!?

 

[krumme]

Dice must have had at least a year to implement this. I find it hard to beliewe we get like 600% uplift in less than 2 months that seems to be nessesary to run this rt at 4k 60Hz consistently. 1080 is a joke. Its hardly even a demo.
Unfortunately it seems 7nm is also way to early. Man it takes time to get new tech like this into ordinary average gamers. But thumbs up for the effort. This is by far the most forward looking gen from nv in a decade. They always seem to play safe. But this can perhaps move gaming.

If 20xx series is like 10xx series plus 20-30% one can just cancel and jump to 7nm. Its less than one year. Late spring?

 

[antihelten]

So now you are going to pretend NVidia went backwards on performance/shader? That really isn't a credible position.

Yes it is.

Pascal went backwards compared to Maxwell. Just look at GP104 compared to GM104. GP104 has 25% more shaders and clocks roughly 45% higher, which results in 80% more raw shading performance. However the actual performance improvement in games was only 60-70%.

Of course this is not caused by the performance of individual shaders in GP104 regressing, but rather by the fact that performance never scales linearly due to Amdahl's law (whether it be due to memory bottlenecks, issues with extracting sufficient parallelism or something else).

With the 2080Ti's boost in shader counts, clock speed and memory BW, There should be a easy 30% improvement over 1080Ti in games. That's not guessing. It's the baseline starting point.

The 2080 Ti FE has 21% more shaders than the 1080 TI, and a 0% increase in clock rate (the 1080 Ti boosts to an average of 1636MHz in real life usage). The 2080 Ti FE may of course boost higher than it's advertised boost, but we don't know that yet, and besides it's irrelevant for estimating the baseline improvement.

Based upon what we saw with Pascal and it's less than linear scaling, the baseline is thus somewhere around 15-20% (the same number also applies to the 2080 and 2070). It's of course perfectly possible that Turing ends up much higher than 15-20% faster, but 15-20% is just the baseline.

And that's not guessing, that's based on historical precedent.