Yea I find that hard to believe too. Hopefully all this will be put to rest soon with some benchmarks by the end of the weekend like they mentioned.
Yea I find that hard to believe too. Hopefully all this will be put to rest soon with some benchmarks by the end of the weekend like they mentioned.I doubt the 30fps at 1080p is accurate. I think it's being misinterpreted.
Looks like it was an early work in progress version, capped at 60fps.Yea I find that hard to believe too. Hopefully all this will be put to rest soon with some benchmarks by the end of the weekend like they mentioned.
This reasoning has me completely baffled.I actually don't have a problem with the price given the die size and work that went into the card, plus all of these $500 plus GPUs are not on my list anyway.
What I wish is that there was a non-rtx version of the GPU for a lower price. A GTX 2080ti.
First, your tone does not beget real discussion. It's just hysteric ranting.This won't see broad scale adoption...... if anyone is actually claiming this, you don't understand what is being discussed. All of the other options people are comparing this to, GameWorks, PhysX, Tesselation- all of those require extra work from developers. Some of it is cut and paste from libraries, some of it is quite a bit more involved but it is extra work. Global illumination isn't. If your engine is set up to utilize it(which all of the major engines will be) you literally just turn it on. That's it. This is *LESS* complex than supporting multiple resolutions. Seriously. If you don't have to worry about legacy parts this is *SIGNIFICANTLY* less work than *CURRENT* solutions. Looks much better- much less work. Devs won't support this..... why?
Anandtech said:"Though even with the roughly one year head start that Microsoft’s closest developers have received, my impression from all of this that DXR is still a very long-term project. Perhaps even more so than DirectX 12. While DX12 was a new API for existing hardware functions, DXR is closer to a traditional DirectX release in that it’s a new API (or rather new DX12 commands) that go best with new hardware. And as there’s essentially 0 consumer hardware on the market right now that offers hardware DXR acceleration, that means DXR really is starting from the beginning."
This is pretty funny looking : https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/8/22/17767650/galax-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-hof-announced
Burger King edition...
This reasoning has me completely baffled.
Do you think that the top end cards go for $1200 and miraculously the 2060 models are comparable in price to the previous generation? Do you, or any, have a clue as to the production cost as an absolute, versus relative value? As a trivial example, $2 is 200% of $1, but in the grand scheme of things, not that critical.
Do people buy cards for a given price as their only consideration, because you certainly are making the case for "why worry about the top price as there will be cheaper models someone can afford". Maybe when Nvidia sell the x030 model for $250, you might start to worry, but who knows, you might not.
I actually don't have a problem with the price given the die size and work that went into the card, plus all of these $500 plus GPUs are not on my list anyway.
What I wish is that there was a non-rtx version of the GPU for a lower price. A GTX 2080ti.
Can you give an example where you would have a problem with Nvidia increasing prices? Because as far as I can see, there are 2 situations here:I actually don't have a problem with the price given the die size
It's not hard if you stop thinking like a customer and start thinking like a charity group.it's really hard to justify the price based on the size of the die and the amount of work that went into creating it.
Can you give an example where you would have a problem with Nvidia increasing prices? Because as far as I can see, there are 2 situations here:
Both of the cases above seem to support the price increase narrative from this thread. Would you say that as long as Nvidia keeps offering a 25-30%+ performance increase they're entitled to increase prices as well?
- new node, smaller die
- same node, bigger die
I think the huge die and the large performance increase in existing games justifies the price.This reasoning has me completely baffled.
Do you think that the top end cards go for $1200 and miraculously the 2060 models are comparable in price to the previous generation? Do you, or any, have a clue as to the production cost as an absolute, versus relative value? As a trivial example, $2 is 200% of $1, but in the grand scheme of things, not that critical.
Do people buy cards for a given price as their only consideration, because you certainly are making the case for "why worry about the top price as there will be cheaper models someone can afford". Maybe when Nvidia sell the x030 model for $250, you might start to worry, but who knows, you might not.
Can you give an example where you would have a problem with Nvidia increasing prices? Because as far as I can see, there are 2 situations here:
Both of the cases above seem to support the price increase narrative from this thread. Would you say that as long as Nvidia keeps offering a 25-30%+ performance increase they're entitled to increase prices as well?
- new node, smaller die
- same node, bigger die
That's another way to use it. See, anti-aliasing is analogous to rendering to a virtual screen larger than your actual screen, then resizing the picture to smooth it. DLSS is a super-resolution algorithm - it smartly guesses pixels between other pixels. This can be used to create a higher resolution image, or to do anti-aliasing. Or both.
Maybe. It seems like they'd at least need different AIs for different genres. There's 2D cartoon games, 3D cartoons, and 3D hyper-realistic games. There's also the occasional oddball, like Telltale Games' rotoscoping style.
I would be interested if they come up with a video player that uses DLSS to make DVDs near 4K blu-ray quality.
Can you give an example where you would have a problem with Nvidia increasing prices? Because as far as I can see, there are 2 situations here:
Both of the cases above seem to support the price increase narrative from this thread. Would you say that as long as Nvidia keeps offering a 25-30%+ performance increase they're entitled to increase prices as well?
- new node, smaller die
- same node, bigger die
I'm satisfied that Turing is far faster than Pascal all around. That's settled for me. I've seen and posted enough evidence.Without seeing some solid performance reviews it's really hard to justify the price based on the size of the die and the amount of work that went into creating it.
Hoping this is true as I do want to go to a 4k monitor in the future. As long as rtx doesn't completely bomb the performance out the window, it will be fine.I'm satisfied that Turing is far faster than Pascal all around. That's settled for me. I've seen and posted enough evidence.
What we learned in the past year is that gamer enthusiasts will pay a lot more for video cards then expected. Now Nvidia is going to test if that was only caused by people thinking they could recoup the cost with crypto or if Nvidia has just been underpricing their product. There can always be rounds of price cuts, mail in rebate programs, and bundling packages if these cards don't move.
This is looking pretty good. Can't tell if there is rtx on here on the flash flight but the way the light beam is being reflecting and it seems pretty smooth and natural makes it look nice.
https://youtu.be/thwrK4tHbwo
I think the huge die and the large performance increase in existing games justifies the price.
What's baffling about that?
Also, as I've said before, as soon as these cards are available, most of the people complaining will have their fists full of cash out first, despite all the talk.
Overall, it does not apply to me, as I would likely never pay even $500 for a GPU.
The 2060 model is unlikely to feature RT. It may be a Turing core without the RT parts, or it may be a Pascal re-brand.
And like the name suggests, Big Turing is big: 18.6B transistors, measuring 754mm2 in die size. This is closer in size to GV100 (Volta/Titan V) than it is any past x80 Ti card, so I am surprised that, even as a cut-down chip, NVIDIA can economically offer it for sale. None the less here we are, with Big Turing coming to consumer cards.
Analyst Jon Peddie suggests that the cost may just be a result of what it takes to make this kind of hardware.
“Simple cost-of-goods… “ he told Tom’s Hardware over email. “These giant (and they are really big) chips cost a lot to make and test, and the huge amount of memory is expensive plus the cooling systems - just [cost of goods]. There's no rip off here, no conspiracy.”
So DLSS technically isn't "AI Up-Res", but Nvidia is working on "AI Up-Res".Edit: Yes, on nvidia's website there is actually an "AI Up-Res" feature just above DLSS section, and that's exactly DL upscaling.
https://developer.nvidia.com/rtx/ngx#collapseDLSS
Honestly at 2k and at 4k I'm done. I'd rather get myself another nice watch at those prices. Because at least then it doesn't depreciate as quickly as a gpu. Sometimes not at all depending on the brand. That would be crazy but we know for a fact there are crazy people out there that would pay that amount.You know, for some reason reading this kind of brought it home for me. Underpricing their product. Yep, that's what they have been doing. It baffles me to be very honest. It really does. But these cards sold out instantly, like people didn't even blink at the price, so at $1,200, they are still underpriced. If they charged $2,000 for the 2080Ti, I bet you 95% of pre orders would have still been placed. I'm not sure what the price would have to be for it to not sell out instantly.
Probably about $4500. You have to cost about half as much as a budget automobile before people think to themselves, "Hrm, perhaps I can live without soft shadows for the next 12 months?" $4500. That's the price I suggest to nvidia. You think I'm being hyperbolic or something. Well, I have sad news. I'm not. Also, at $4500, they would get scalped like a horse thief in the 17th century. Probably sell on Ebay for $6000. NO! I'm not kidding.
I am enjoying the social experiment. I want to see what people's limits really are. I've been talking about this here for years now. I want to know. $1200 certainly isn't it and $3000 Titans aren't it either, because people run around with those things like a kid with new pair of Nike Pumps. So I say $4500.
I think it's just reflecting too much light off his face making it like a sauna wall. It does look odd the way it's rendered on the face but on the environment it looks very nice.What's up with the nose at 0:24 the lighting makes it look funny. Guess with the games and rtx they can get xtra value looking for strange rendering.
Honestly at 2k and at 4k I'm done. I'd rather get myself another nice watch at those prices. Because at least then it doesn't depreciate as quickly as a gpu. Sometimes not at all depending on the brand. That would be crazy but we know for a fact there are crazy people out there that would pay that amount.
He could even say these cards make feces look more biologically correct with x new processing component and people would still jump on it.
Honestly at 2k and at 4k I'm done. I'd rather get myself another nice watch at those prices. Because at least then it doesn't depreciate as quickly as a gpu. Sometimes not at all depending on the brand. That would be crazy but we know for a fact there are crazy people out there that would pay that amount.
He could even say these cards make feces look more biologically correct with x new processing component and people would still jump on it.