Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

[crisium]

https://wccftech.com/metro-exodus-nvidia-hairworks-physx/
It's referencing this:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Metro...escom-Raytracing-Geforce-RTX-2080-Ti-1263978/

Metro Exodus with RTX, PhysX, and Hairworks.

PC Games Hardware google translation: "the performance in the RTX demo in Full HD with a Geforce RTX 2080 Ti was still just playable, but not for a shooter more really supple range of estimated maximum 40 fps".

Their goal is GTX 2080 Ti with all the bells and whistles at 1080p60hz, but the game doesn't launch until February so there's plenty of time to optimize.

 

[IntelUser2000]

About FE pricing...It will be same like with pascal-nobody will sell AIB cards for less than FE.Expect RTX2070 cost 620-650USD.

Haha. There's even a part where the Nvidia marketer mistakenly calls it Reference before quickly changing the word to Founder's Edition.

Basically the video is saying "Why would AIBs charge their faster, cooler, quieter cards for cheaper than reference cards, which are renamed Founder's Editions?"

It also mentions how Pascal was basically Nvidia testing to see whether people will fall for the new tactic and pay for reference design at way above MSRP prices. Saying vote using the wallet is stupid, because people are either fooled, or don't care, and nothing will change anyway.

That's bad, its the 2080 that should be 35% faster than 1080Ti but anyway doesn't matter, buyers gonna buy.

Lots of people would have found the 2xxx series cards fine. If it were just priced identically to the previous generation.

 

[zinfamous]

If those leaked numbers are true, it seems like the only reason to purchase a 2080 over a "cheap" 1080ti at this point is if you think gigarays are going to offer a real tangible benefit to your gaming experience(s) in the next ~2 years, and that this is worth a serious price premium. ...on top of that, you likely also have to tolerate dropping down to peasant 1080p resolution if you want decent framerates with your gigarays. I don't see that as a valid compromise for uber l33t pc gaming gods who have been rocking 1080ti's, Titans, and even 1080s over the last 2 years at 1440p /144hz or 4k @ 30~60hz. There is no way that such customers are going to allow themselves peasant class displays just for a few gigarays in a handful of games. I think such customers will only buy 2080 and lower because they don't know what they are paying for. Blind trust, really.

So, then, 2080ti seems to be the only interesting card this generation for nVidia.

Then again, there is the possibility of sandbagging from nVidia, right? That was obviously the argument made for AMD when the leaked performance ahead of Polaris was boring, and then later for Vega was somewhat "distressing." Obviously, the best way to market high-performing, next-generation cards is to be ambivalent about actual performance and simply wait to surprise everyone! on release. It's the exact strategy that nVidia used with Pascal.

 

[zinfamous]

Lots of people would have found the 2xxx series cards fine. If it were just priced identically to the previous generation.

Agreed, but this sounds really bad:

https://wccftech.com/metro-exodus-nvidia-hairworks-physx/
It's referencing this:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Metro...escom-Raytracing-Geforce-RTX-2080-Ti-1263978/

Metro Exodus with RTX, PhysX, and Hairworks.

PC Games Hardware google translation: "the performance in the RTX demo in Full HD with a Geforce RTX 2080 Ti was still just playable, but not for a shooter more really supple range of estimated maximum 40 fps".

Their goal is GTX 2080 Ti with all the bells and whistles at 1080p60hz, but the game doesn't launch until February so there's plenty of time to optimize.

If their goal for the fastest card in the world with all of the "latest and greatest bells and whistles" is to drop down to 10-15 year-old resolutions @ ~$1500, then there should be a revolt. That's just unacceptable. I'm all for pushing new tech and I am absolutely more than tolerant of that new tech being a rather disappointing in a first generation, but their argument is that you need to compromise the real, meaningful performance gains over the last 10 years to appreciate something that you likely won't ever really notice at the end of the day.

The tech may be cool, and it may be the way things go in the future, but the pricing and compromises now are absolutely extortionate. There is no way this kind of pricing would exist if AMD had any chance of competing, which is likely not going to happen even through 2019, imo. Still, the pricing, imo, really isn't justifiable anyway (sans AMD competition).

"Enjoy your Gigarays! Watch as our margins set new records!"

 

[Malogeek]

"Enjoy your Gigarays! Watch as our margins set new records!"

Yeah Nvidia's margins only apparently. According to GN, the AIBs are making around 3% margin on RTX.

 

[sze5003]

Yeah it looks like the Ti is the most interesting card. Although at 35% improvement I'm really curious to see how it does at 1440p and 4k. If I do get it, I wonder if 1440p would be overkill for the 2080ti? It should not with gsync.

 

[PeterScott]

If those leaked numbers are true, it seems like the only reason to purchase a 2080 over a "cheap" 1080ti at this point is if you think gigarays are going to offer a real tangible benefit to your gaming experience(s) in the next ~2 years, and that this is worth a serious price premium. ...on top of that.

DLSS. It seems to hold the promise of high quality AA, for negligible overhead. Though that remains to be seen from reviews.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah it looks like the Ti is the most interesting card. Although at 35% improvement I'm really curious to see how it does at 1440p and 4k. If I do get it, I wonder if 1440p would be overkill for the 2080ti? It should not with gsync.

well, the claim is that they are pushing to be able to use the gigarays at 1080p 60hz. .....60hz. The type of customer that plays that kind of money for that kind of card, actually can't play games with this card at any resolution above 1080p. Those customers aren't in the market for a 1080p card. Sure, this thing is probably great at 4k, without the new tech, but you are essentially paying a ~120% price premium over the current 1080ti, which is already pretty darn good @4k, for a 35-40% performance gain? (this is controlling for the lack of gigaray function in both cards)

Why would anyone do that? Again, based on the supposed numbers that we are seeing now. Everything could change of course if nVidia has been irrationally secretive of the real performance of these cards, but discussing with performance that has been leaked, I can't see the rationale behind it. Yes, it's the most interesting card of the lot so far, but that is basically compared to those within its current 3-card generation.

To me, the 2080ti would be a great card if you want it for 4k @~60-100hz, no plans to gigaray, and was priced around $800-850. New AIB 1080tis are now popping up everywhere for around $600.

Hell, I almost jumped on that BH deal two weeks ago for a 1080ti w/ 850W gold+ EVGA PSU for $650. ...that's essentially a 1080ti for $550...or less, really.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah Nvidia's margins only apparently. According to GN, the AIBs are making around 3% margin on RTX.

lulz.

 

[zinfamous]

DLSS. It seems to hold the promise of high quality AA, for negligible overhead. Though that remains to be seen from reviews.

I guess we shall see. But I thought that pushing 4k @60hz already more or less eliminated the need for hungry AA, right? ...at least those AA settings more than 8X....

 

[PeterScott]

I guess we shall see. But I thought that pushing 4k @60hz already more or less eliminated the need for hungry AA, right? ...at least those AA settings more than 8X....

Will a 2080 (not 2080Ti) push 4K @ 60Hz in demanding current and near future titles?

Also AA requirements are based on PPI, not resolution. If you are running 4k on 27" you might get by without AA, but 4K on 43", you have PPI no better than 1440p on common 27" screens, and most would still probably want AA. Plus some of the artifacts will still pop out even at higher PPI.

DLSS may also make 2070 more useful, as it will probably be more likely on 1440p screens, and some non Ti, 2080 buyers may also be aiming for higher frame rates at 1440p, more than 4K.

 

[sze5003]

well, the claim is that they are pushing to be able to use the gigarays at 1080p 60hz. .....60hz. The type of customer that plays that kind of money for that kind of card, actually can't play games with this card at any resolution above 1080p. Those customers aren't in the market for a 1080p card. Sure, this thing is probably great at 4k, without the new tech, but you are essentially paying a ~120% price premium over the current 1080ti, which is already pretty darn good @4k, for a 35-40% performance gain? (this is controlling for the lack of gigaray function in both cards)

Why would anyone do that? Again, based on the supposed numbers that we are seeing now. Everything could change of course if nVidia has been irrationally secretive of the real performance of these cards, but discussing with performance that has been leaked, I can't see the rationale behind it. Yes, it's the most interesting card of the lot so far, but that is basically compared to those within its current 3-card generation.

To me, the 2080ti would be a great card if you want it for 4k @~60-100hz, no plans to gigaray, and was priced around $800-850. New AIB 1080tis are now popping up everywhere for around $600.

Hell, I almost jumped on that BH deal two weeks ago for a 1080ti w/ 850W gold+ EVGA PSU for $650. ...that's essentially a 1080ti for $550...or less, really.

Yeah you are right I would like to go to 4k and have 60 fps constant as it seems the 2080ti could do but for that much of a price increase it does not make sense. I could just get a 4k monitor now but I'd like it to have gsync and those are too much now.

 

[amenx]

New AIB 1080tis are now popping up everywhere for around $600.

Hell, I almost jumped on that BH deal two weeks ago for a 1080ti w/ 850W gold+ EVGA PSU for $650. ...that's essentially a 1080ti for $550...or less, really.

2 weeks ago. Prices have since since shot up. Doubt you will find a decent 1080ti for less than $650. Its like consumers have gotten a terrible whiff of the RTX cards and its taking its toll on the 1080ti prices.

 

[LTC8K6]

2 weeks ago. Prices have since since shot up. Doubt you will find a decent 1080ti for less than $650. Its like consumers have gotten a terrible whiff of the RTX cards and its taking its toll on the 1080ti prices.

But there's supposed to be a huge glut of 10 series GPUs?
What happened to all those chips NV forced mfgs to take?
Are they eating them?

 

[PeterScott]

2 weeks ago. Prices have since since shot up. Doubt you will find a decent 1080ti for less than $650. Its like consumers have gotten a terrible whiff of the RTX cards and its taking its toll on the 1080ti prices.

I have checked periodically, and the prices were essentially around the same each time I checked, with the low end hovering around $630 to $650, the same as it is today.

With RTX 2080 hovering around $800, there simply isn't any pressure on 1080Ti pricing.

Reviews might alter that. If RTX 2080 is better than expected it might open the door for RTX 2070 being enough of a challenge to 1080Ti so RTX 2070 can then put more pricing pressure on 1080ti. But so far it looks like RTX 2070 won't challenge 1080Ti and 2080 is priced so much higher than 1080Ti, that there is no pressure.

 

[sze5003]

Looks like they want us to wait until Sept 19th for 2080ti reviews. I was hoping they would all come in on the 14th.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-reviews-go-live-on-september-17th

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I know that I was going to stay away but I cannot help myself sue me

I have checked periodically, and the prices were essentially around the same each time I checked, with the low end hovering around $630 to $650, the same as it is today.

With RTX 2080 hovering around $800, there simply isn't any pressure on 1080Ti pricing.

Reviews might alter that. If RTX 2080 is better than expected it might open the door for RTX 2070 being enough of a challenge to 1080Ti so RTX 2070 can then put more pricing pressure on 1080ti. But so far it looks like RTX 2070 won't challenge 1080Ti and 2080 is priced so much higher than 1080Ti, that there is no pressure.

Although I'm not a believer of this model, could it just maybe be that this on purpose to get rid of the Pascal stock?

Checking EVGA prices here, in the land of wooden shoes, there's no real difference for Pascal Ti. It sits comfortably just below the 2080.

Looks like they want us to wait until Sept 19th for 2080ti reviews. I was hoping they would all come in on the 14th.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-reviews-go-live-on-september-17th

Yeah Nvidia are bastards like that, seemingly trying to cash in on as many pre-orders as they can. Ridiculous.

Been pondering today about a what if purchase. The Ti is the real deal but 50% out of my budget, admittedly. That leaves the 2080. But over my 1080 that is only 384 more pixel pipelines (redesigned or not), and the same freaking 8GB (albeit decently faster). I can't justify it.

Been watching an episode of the PC world full nerd during the Turing release and they make the same point I have made before: 7nm next year = faster, cooler, more mature in the new cores department and meanwhile more DLSS and RT games have released (price tag remaining a mystery).

Games that take advantage of the RTX family on my list either won't come out soon (ie next year), or will - tomb raider - and I can easily put off playing, translating in saving money for whatever 7nm comes peeking rather than splurging it now.

Side note: all rumoured leaks are fake as there no drivers; they need to be downloaded from Nvidia which is impossible for now.

 

[mohit9206]

Looks like they want us to wait until Sept 19th for 2080ti reviews. I was hoping they would all come in on the 14th.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-reviews-go-live-on-september-17th

I'm hoping Anandtech finally gets its GTX 960 review out before that date as was promised. Its bound to be an incredibly in depth review.

 

[PeterScott]

Yeah Nvidia are bastards like that, seemingly trying to cash in on as many pre-orders as they can. Ridiculous.

IMO the lack of information is killing pre-orders, not helping them. It really looks like little interest in 2080 pre sales, and more in the 2080ti relatively speaking based on pre orders selling out or not, and polls showing people way more interested in 2080Ti (which is less sensitive to review outcomes).

 

[amenx]

Have a feeling the reason Nvidia is launching the 2080ti along with the 2080 and 2070 (a bit later) is that the latter 2 cards may be mediocre performers for the price and might not be well received by the tech press. But the 2080ti will shine and get all the attention and praise, some of which will rub off on the 2080/2070. The tech savy and enthusiasts will see right through it. But for the masses who may not know better, the 2080/2070 may seem like the next big thing in graphics advancement, all due to these cards riding on the coat-tails of an excellent, well received 2080ti. Without the 2080ti, the RTX series may appear as a massive flop.

 

[sze5003]

IMO the lack of information is killing pre-orders, not helping them. It really looks like little interest in 2080 pre sales, and more in the 2080ti relatively speaking based on pre orders selling out or not, and polls showing people way more interested in 2080Ti (which is less sensitive to review outcomes).

Yea I don't get the waiting period. Unless they are hiding something for a surprise it wouldn't hurt to show the real performance of the 2080ti. Only Nvidia has the drivers and reviewers can't get them until a few days before the 19th anyway. Almost everyone I know who pre-ordered did so for the 2080ti. I'm not as interested anymore hut still curious about actual performance results.

 

[PeterScott]

Yea I don't get the waiting period. Unless they are hiding something for a surprise it wouldn't hurt to show the real performance of the 2080ti. Only Nvidia has the drivers and reviewers can't get them until a few days before the 19th anyway. Almost everyone I know who pre-ordered did so for the 2080ti. I'm not as interested anymore hut still curious about actual performance results.

I see one reason for the delay reviews closer to shipping date. Having newer driver updates, and newer game updates RT games.

Remember the DICE guys who did the BFV demo only got the card 2 weeks before the demo.

 

[JoeRambo]

I see one reason for the delay reviews closer to shipping date. Having newer driver updates, and newer game updates RT games.

Yeah, it is probably very busy week for NV and reviewers. Driver and game updates will be coming right up to press time as RT is so important for NV to showcase in the best light possible.

 

[Qwertilot]

They might also simply be building up stock, although going by history they're near certain to sell out early on anyway.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm hoping Anandtech finally gets its GTX 960 review out before that date as was promised. Its bound to be an incredibly in depth review.

lulz