Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

[IntelUser2000]

Companies don't charge $1,000 for phones because they are majestic slabs of diamonds carved from a far off asteroid.

I agree. Look at the prices for the latest iPhone. $749 starting for the cheapest model. Price increase, record revenue.

Nvidia. Price increase, record revenue year after year.
Intel. Used to be $999 for Extreme Edition. Now its at $1800 or so.
Samsung. $1200 for Galaxy Note?

Look at laptops how its all about gaming and premium features that can be decked out and cost $3000. $2000-plus for the top of the line MS Surface Pro?

Electric cars with $50K pricing as "value model". Saving environment? Complete lie. No its about fattening the bottom line for car companies. A brand-new avenue for increased revenue since environment is the new fad.

Every major company does this. It's so pervasive nowadays, you don't even have to be a monopoly to do it. AMD follows this pattern too. Yes, its up to the individual to decide. But don't pretend RTX isn't increasing prices across its lineup.

 

[AtenRa]

Dont know if legit or not.

https://www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-60-fps-4k/

 

[cmdrdredd]

I agree. Look at the prices for the latest iPhone. $749 starting for the cheapest model. Price increase, record revenue.

Nvidia. Price increase, record revenue year after year.
Intel. Used to be $999 for Extreme Edition. Now its at $1800 or so.
Samsung. $1200 for Galaxy Note?

Look at laptops how its all about gaming and premium features that can be decked out and cost $3000. $2000-plus for the top of the line MS Surface Pro?

Electric cars with $50K pricing as "value model". Saving environment? Complete lie. No its about fattening the bottom line for car companies. A brand-new avenue for increased revenue since environment is the new fad.

Every major company does this. It's so pervasive nowadays, you don't even have to be a monopoly to do it. AMD follows this pattern too. Yes, its up to the individual to decide. But don't pretend RTX isn't increasing prices across its lineup.

Plus nvidia can market themselves as proving a premium experience with the new cards with RTX if they can get lots of games to support it quickly. People always think premium products carry a higher price. People who are gamers but don’t frequent forums like we do may buy into that, making the price an easier sell.

 

[PeterScott]

@PeterScott

people are not quite happy now its the third one. When you say they still get more performance than 1070, so what is the problem, they might counter-argue they would get even more so, if the chip was still 104 one...

Obviously, since 106 chip is 3/4 of 104 this time around and not 1/2, therefore 2070 could be technically both cut 104 and full 106, it is non-issue. Since the "2070 = tu 106" rumor preceded the actual info about tu106 specifics, i guess people assumed 1/2 as before - thus the outrage. I think its very understandable.

Obviously that is not the case. A cut TU104, or a purpose built TU 106 with the same unit count/bus width, would perform exactly the same. So some people are overreacting to nothing.

The Unit counts/bus width were already known, and most assumed it was just cut TU104, and most people were totally ok with it.

Then we find out it's purpose built chip with those unit counts, and all of sudden it's reason for some(minority) to get outraged? There is no end user functional difference.

And as already stated, there is much more sensible reason for the new die, than pretending this is really an x60 in disguise, so you can generate some outrage.

Dies are too large this release(because of the RT tax), which means building a smaller die "just for 2070" saves them money and makes 2070 a more viable volume part. Even the new "smaller" TU106 die, is still larger than GP104, Heck this small 2070 die is closer in size to GP102, than GP104.

So the very idea that TU106, (nearly the size of GP102), is in any way related to x60 cards is beyond absurd.

It looks more like people with an axe to grind, suspending their reasoning faculties, in order to manufacture some outrage.

 

[PeterScott]

Dont know if legit or not.

https://www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-60-fps-4k/

Looks very much like what an expected marketing slide would appear. I expect in testing a bunch of older games with standard settings (No DLSS), that the 2080 really wont' gap 1080Ti by that much.

 

[Rezident]

Wow! That pricing. I actually feel bad for people that need to buy a card. People are going to start dropping resolution before paying some of these prices. Ouch!

 

[Hitman928]

Dont know if legit or not.

https://www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-60-fps-4k/

Looks fake to me (e.g. why have the 4k60 fps line on the slide talking about deep learning?), but you never know. Even if they are true, the slides are pretty meaningless with nothing on the y-axis, or details of games tested, settings used, axis scaling, etc.

 

[AtenRa]

Wow! That pricing. I actually feel bad for people that need to buy a card. People are going to start dropping resolution before paying some of these prices. Ouch!

Others will spend almost 1500 Euros (1750 USD) to drop resolution and play at 1080p with RT on.

 

[AtenRa]

Looks fake to me (e.g. why have the 4k60 fps line on the slide talking about deep learning?), but you never know. Even if they are true, the slides are pretty meaningless with nothing on the y-axis, or details of games tested, settings used, axis scaling, etc.

I think its about DLSS

 

[Hitman928]

I think its about DLSS

I guess that would make some sense.

 

[zinfamous]

Hard to believe mobile games have a bigger percentage than console and PC. I wonder if that counts things like Nintendo switch too? I can't ever recall a time I played a game on my phone.

Mobile actually opened up gaming to a large segment of the population that was, prior to that, an extreme niche: girls and women. Prior to mobile, you had effectively 51% of the human population not nearly as interested in that market as they are now.

 

[Timmah!]

Obviously that is not the case. A cut TU104, or a purpose built TU 106 with the same unit count/bus width, would perform exactly the same. So some people are overreacting to nothing.

The Unit counts/bus width were already known, and most assumed it was just cut TU104, and most people were totally ok with it.

Then we find out it's purpose built chip with those unit counts, and all of sudden it's reason for some(minority) to get outraged? There is no end user functional difference.

And as already stated, there is much more sensible reason for the new die, than pretending this is really an x60 in disguise, so you can generate some outrage.

Dies are too large this release(because of the RT tax), which means building a smaller die "just for 2070" saves them money and makes 2070 a more viable volume part. Even the new "smaller" TU106 die, is still larger than GP104, Heck this small 2070 die is closer in size to GP102, than GP104.

So the very idea that TU106, (nearly the size of GP102), is in any way related to x60 cards is beyond absurd.

It looks more like people with an axe to grind, suspending their reasoning faculties, in order to manufacture some outrage.

Well, as i said, i think the outrage was before these things were known, and it was based on assumption that 106 is gonna be 1/2 of 104 as in case of Pascal.
Other than that, comparing TU 106 to GP102 is pointless. If Nvidia decided not to release Turing on smaller node (7mm), then i think it is to be expected that their lower tiered Turing chips will be bigger than Pascals, unless they had some secret sauce to make Turing faster without making it bigger (on pretty much the same node). Even without RTX, there is no doubt Turing chips would be bigger with more CUDA cores instead of Tensors/RT stuff.

 

[dlerious]

Dont know if legit or not.

https://www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-60-fps-4k/

Probably fake. Is Nvidia sending out both the 2080 and 2080Ti to reviewers? More slides with no labels. Live stream wasn't up yet on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu_dpQSpzic

 

[PeterScott]

Well, as i said, i think the outrage was before these things were known, and it was based on assumption that 106 is gonna be 1/2 of 104 as in case of Pascal.

I don't remember that, and it would have been wild speculation nothing more, when no true details were known.

Here we have a case of making false comparisons to x60 cards in light of actual information showing the contrary.

Other than that, comparing TU 106 to GP102 is pointless. If Nvidia decided not to release Turing on smaller node (7mm), then i think it is to be expected that their lower tiered Turing chips will be bigger than Pascals, unless they had some secret sauce to make Turing faster without making it bigger (on pretty much the same node). Even without RTX, there is no doubt Turing chips would be bigger with more CUDA cores instead of Tensors/RT stuff.

It's not pointless. Again this is in the context of this "2070 is really a x60 card" nonsense. There is no way that a ~450mm2 die, is for 4th tier products like x60.

Even without RTX, there is no doubt Turing chips would be bigger with more CUDA cores instead of Tensors/RT stuff.

While a native 12nm 2060 (without RTX) with the appropriate ~35% performance increase would be bigger, it would only be slightly bigger.

Everything so far indicates 2944 CUDAs in RTX 2080 are equaling or besting 3584 CUDA in 1080Ti so there is some "secret sauce". So at least 20% uplift/CUDA. So you really only need a chip about 12.5% more CUDAs (and size) to get you to about 225mm2 for a 2060 without RTX. Half the size of the 2070's chip. If it actually included all the RTX parts, it would be much larger, which is why we probably won't see RTX at x60 class.

 

[LTC8K6]

Nvidia RTX's DLSS Roster Gets Nine New Games

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-gpu-dlss-games,37792.html

• Darksiders III
• Deliver Us The Moon: Fortuna
• Fear The Wolves
• Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
• KINETIK
• Outpost Zero
• Overkill's The Walking Dead
• SCUM
• Stormdivers

___________
Other Titles Implementing DLSS:

• Ark: Survival Evolved from Studio Wildcard
• Atomic Heart from Mundfish
• Dauntless from Phoenix Labs
• Final Fantasy XV: Windows Edition from Square Enix
• Fractured Lands from Unbroken Studios
• Hitman 2 from IO Interactive / Warner Bros.
• Islands of Nyne from Define Human Studios
• Justice from NetEase
• JX3 from Kingsoft
• Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries from Piranha Games
• PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds from PUBG Corp.
• Remnant: From The Ashes from Arc Games
• Serious Sam 4: Planet Badass from Croteam / Devolver Digital
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider from Square Enix / Eidos-Montréal / Crystal Dynamics / Nixxes
• The Forge Arena from Freezing Raccoon Studios
• We Happy Few from Compulsion Games / Gearbox

 

[PeterScott]

Probably fake. Is Nvidia sending out both the 2080 and 2080Ti to reviewers? More slides with no labels. Live stream wasn't up yet on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu_dpQSpzic

Not fake, it's in the PDF slide deck (slide 11) for the GTC Japan presentation:
https://investor.nvidia.com/events-...8/GTC-Japan-Keynote-Jensen-Huang/default.aspx
https://s22.q4cdn.com/364334381/files/doc_presentations/2018/09/JHH_GTCJapan2018_FINAL.pdf

 

[alcoholbob]

Dont know if legit or not.

https://www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-60-fps-4k/

That y axis looks pretty far from "100 fps" for 2080 ti lmao.

 

[moonbogg]

Dont know if legit or not.

https://www.techquila.co.in/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-60-fps-4k/

Can't move that bar up high enough to justify $1200. Send it flying up so far it crashes into the OP on the first page of this thread. Still won't buy.

 

[ZGR]

The only game I can't get 60fps on at 4k is Star Citizen, which I don't wanna play. I must be doing something wrong!

 

[cmdrdredd]

The only game I can't get 60fps on at 4k is Star Citizen, which I don't wanna play. I must be doing something wrong!

If I max out all the options for certain games at 4K I drop below 60fps with my PC. Some of those options are useless though like post process effects. That might change with newer titles over the next year or so.

 

[Newbian]

Collecting dust until they can be placed out...

 

[n0x1ous]

That must be a Best Buy or Nvidia fulfillment center.

 

[Head1985]

First real benchmarks
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-time-spy-and-fire-strike-scores-leak

In timespy rtx2080Fe is 6% faster than my MSI1080Ti gaming(default).But FE edition is this time also overclocked version...
In firestrike i have 32000 after oc vs 27000 rtx2080.

 

[Brahmzy]

We’re so close! [rubs hands together]…

FTW3 Ultra here I come...

 

[sze5003]

First real benchmarks
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-time-spy-and-fire-strike-scores-leak

In timespy rtx2080Fe is 6% faster than my MSI1080Ti gaming.But FE edition is this time also overclocked version...
In firestrike i have 32000 after oc vs 27000 rtx2080.

I wasn't expecting the 2080 to be a lot better than the 1080ti honestly. They want to make the Ti the top card even if it's only 35% faster.