Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

[beginner99]

You dont need to be rocket scientist to see that NV did something to 1080TI to rtx2080 look better.

Don't bother. The NV marketing gang in this forum doesn't care about truth or reality. And it's so obvious who they are and what NV is trying to do, it's just sad people fall for it.

 

[ub4ty]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1337...080ti-general-availability-by-week-to-sept-27
The omens on this product are incredible

 

[krumme]

Less than a week to go and you guys can see the good, the bad, and possibly some ugly. The reviews should be interesting, but I'm thinking the best stuff will be in the comment sections.

Yep. The sponsered nda reviews is a much a display of the independence of the reviewer as a review of the card themselves. So interesting to see how firm a grip nv got on journalism as of today. Interesting battle; independence interests vs monopoly behavior.

 

[AtenRa]

Does any of you remember if we ever had before a negative perf/$ in a new GPU release ??

Because according to NV slides, RTX2080 is 43% faster than GTX1080 but,
From Newegg prices the GTX 1080 start at $480 with cheapest RTX2080 at $749 or 56% more expensive.

 

[Ranulf]

Off the top of my head, the R9 285? Though that was a mid generation upgrade that made little sense given prices of the 270 and 290s.

 

[AtenRa]

Off the top of my head, the R9 285? Though that was a mid generation upgrade that made little sense given prices of the 270 and 290s.

Im talking about the same family like GTX1080 vs 2080, the R9 285 didnt replaced 270 or 290 but it was in between.
Edit: Actually R9 285 replaced the HD7950 and R9 280 which are the same. R9 285 had the same performance with those two and was a little cheaper if I remember correctly.

 

[coercitiv]

Yep. The sponsered nda reviews is a much a display of the independence of the reviewer as a review of the card themselves. So interesting to see how firm a grip nv got on journalism as of today. Interesting battle; independence interests vs monopoly behavior.

When you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?

Independent tech journalist, ca. 2018 AD

 

[beginner99]

Does any of you remember if we ever had before a negative perf/$ in a new GPU release ??

To be fair 390(x) and RX 480 were more expensive and only marginally better than fire-saled 290(x)s eg 290(x) on fire sales sure had higher performance/$ than their successors. Albeit with the difference to this launch that 290(x) were very cheap and 390/480 were more normally priced compared from going from very expensive to insane.

 

[AtenRa]

To be fair 390(x) and RX 480 were more expensive and only marginally better than fire-saled 290(x)s eg 290(x) on fire sales sure had higher performance/$ than their successors. Albeit with the difference to this launch that 290(x) were very cheap and 390/480 were more normally priced compared from going from very expensive to insane.

Well, according to techpowerup the RX480 8GB at the time or release had a higher perf/$ even against a little cheaper R9 290 4GB. TPU had a price of $235 for R9 290 at the time of RX480 launch.
The RX480 4GB at $199 had a massive perf/$ increase against the R9 290 4GB.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/26.html

 

[mohit9206]

Is this the worst generation of graphics card in a long time for consumers? Even based off rumors 45% more performance than 1080ti but double the price, 20% more performance for 2080 than 1080ti for 25% more price and 46% more performance than 1080 but for twice much for 2080? Is it possible to defend this? I understand the concept of if it sells, its the correct price so maybe simply based off that, it's probably priced correctly.

 

[Malogeek]

I thought it was quite funny that Nvidia sent out a message to reviewers that they are not allowed to disassemble their cards at 6pm ET the night before the 14th. However, since it was the 14th already in other parts of the world they had already released a teardown video. Since it was now public domain, the NDA no longer applied for that restriction which meant all the reviewers could post their teardowns.

 

[Brahmzy]

Is this the worst generation of graphics card in a long time for consumers? Even based off rumors 45% more performance than 1080ti but double the price, 20% more performance for 2080 than 1080ti for 25% more price and 46% more performance than 1080 but for twice much for 2080? Is it possible to defend this? I understand the concept of if it sells, its the correct price so maybe simply based off that, it's probably priced correctly.

LOL quite the opposite - first card to do 4K well with AA. 1080 Ti can’t.
Can’t wait!
The Butt Hurt is reaching epic levels and it’s quite entertaining!

 

[krumme]

LOL quite the opposite - first card to do 4K well with AA. 1080 Ti can’t.
Can’t wait!
The Butt Hurt is reaching epic levels and it’s quite entertaining!

I recon you are a poor lad that cant afford a Titan V.

 

[cmdrdredd]

LOL quite the opposite - first card to do 4K well with AA. 1080 Ti can’t.
Can’t wait!
The Butt Hurt is reaching epic levels and it’s quite entertaining!

Butt hurt? Is this reddit now? Calm down. Prices are ridiculous there is no denying that. That’s where most of the negativity stems from. Also 4K with AA is possible on a 1080ti depending on the game and what level of AA you are applying. Blanket statements and insults don’t get you far. You sound like the guy who brags about how much things cost him trying to impress people.

 

[Ottonomous]

LOL quite the opposite - first card to do 4K well with AA. 1080 Ti can’t.
Can’t wait!
The Butt Hurt is reaching epic levels and it’s quite entertaining!

You're actually ecstatic with the generational leap in x80 Ti performance? By your logic you should be furious with nvidia for prioritizing raytracing over the holy grail

 

[Kenmitch]

Without the official reviews along with some end user non sponsored reviews there really isn't much to argue about other than the pricing. The prices suck no matter how you slice the pie. Even the OP stayed out of his own thread until he could find something positive to add. Review guide marketing slides was all he could come up with. In the past they were always frowned upon and users were told not to take them seriously util the reviews are actually released.

 

[mohit9206]

LOL quite the opposite - first card to do 4K well with AA. 1080 Ti can’t.
Can’t wait!
The Butt Hurt is reaching epic levels and it’s quite entertaining!

Why do you need AA at 4k? Also what 2080Ti can do at 4K is not the point. The point is these cards cost more than the % performance increase over their predecessors when it should cost same or slightly more. But again I'm not criticizing Nvidia here as the price is correct if the sales are good, its just that for consumers this is the worst generation of graphics card.

 

[PeterScott]

Why do you need AA at 4k? .

The same reason you need it other resolutions. To limit aliasing artifacts.

 

[tviceman]

Some of the comments were actually pretty spot on pointing out the disparity in Nvidia's numbers and independent reviewers. The performance gap between the 1080 and 1080Ti certainly looks strange considering they are very well known quantities by now. Can't blame you for questioning a conspiracy theory but did you have to add in the divisive comments about AMD? They weren't really part of that whole line of discussion so why fuel the flames when it's already hard enough having useful and constructive discussions here?

The comments about AMD aren't meant to be divisive. People are complaining about the perceived lack of improvement by Nvidia, and I was pointing out that we are getting nothing from AMD - who is already in the backseat - until next year.

Graphics cards prices left the realm of insanity when people went crypto-crazy. Until we have true competition it seems like nothing is going to change.

I hope Nvidia's bottom dollar gets hammered and consumers force a return to sanity.

 

[Brahmzy]

I recon you are a poor lad that cant afford a Titan V.

Nothing is obsoleted faster than a Titan card. I'm a Ti guy. I can go 3mo and wait for the Ti vs Titan.

I could buy 100 Titans - what a waste that would be when the Ti cards are so quick around the corner...

Maybe you're new to this game...

 

[Innokentij]

I recon you are a poor lad that cant afford a Titan V.

I recon you are a hurt lad that know's 2080TI will crush that 3000 USD Titan V and you hurting.

 

[Brahmzy]

Butt hurt? Is this reddit now? Calm down. Prices are ridiculous there is no denying that. That’s where most of the negativity stems from. Also 4K with AA is possible on a 1080ti depending on the game and what level of AA you are applying. Blanket statements and insults don’t get you far. You sound like the guy who brags about how much things cost him trying to impress people.

Nope - try again. 1080 Ti tanks hard on minimum frame rates across the board when AA is enabled (ya know the metric that affects smooth playability? Minimum framerates. Quit focusing on average or peak - those generally mean little.)

No bragging here, no bragging needed. nVidia will sell every 2080 Ti they make - none of that makes me special - a fish in the sea.

But by all means, drag your useless banter on for another 100 pages complaining about prices. You won't change a single thing by doing so. But please continue your diatribes of futility.

I'll be enjoying blistering 4K performance.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

I'm not really understanding this discussion about anti-aliasing. For the most part, anti aliasing is free or near free, as it's usually TAA or FXAA, something post process. Multisample anti aliasing isn't supported by many games, and if we're talking about DLSS, well, it's not going to be supported by a whole lot of games either, at least at first.

TAA in Fallout 4, for example, is costing you a few FPS, like 2-3% of your performance, and it's by far the most common form of AA these days.

 

[krumme]

I recon you are a hurt lad that know's 2080TI will crush that 3000 USD Titan V and you hurting.

Then its good i ordered the 2080ti

 

[PeterScott]

I'm not really understanding this discussion about anti-aliasing. For the most part, anti aliasing is free or near free, as it's usually TAA or FXAA, something post process. Multisample anti aliasing isn't supported by many games, and if we're talking about DLSS, well, it's not going to be supported by a whole lot of games either, at least at first.

TAA in Fallout 4, for example, is costing you a few FPS, like 2-3% of your performance, and it's by far the most common form of AA these days.

It was just revealed in the last 24+ hours, that there are two forms of DLSS:

DLSS: Runs at lower resolution, and then does reconstruction to the higher resolution. This is kind of like checkerboard rendering in PS4 games. It's not actually running at full 4K, so it runs faster, and is supposed to have quality similar to TAA.

DLSS: 2X. This actually runs at full resolution and is apparently very high quality, but there will likely be a significant performance penalty, which has not been revealed.

Now it looks like NVida really want to hide that DLSS runs at lower resolution:
https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/

Yesterday this was:
"Whereas TAA renders at the final target resolution and then combines frames, subtracting detail, DLSS allows faster rendering at a lower input resolution, and then infers a result that at target resolution is similar quality to the TAA result, but with half the shading work."

Today it reads:
"Whereas TAA renders at the final target resolution and then combines frames, subtracting detail, DLSS allows faster rendering at a lower input sample count, and then infers a result that at target resolution is similar quality to the TAA result, but with half the shading work."

Given exactly what you have pointed out, that TAA is nearly free, they have to be running at lower resolution to get that performance boost, but they are being really cagey about it.