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Paul98

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Yeah, I just don't want to feel like I am getting ripped off.... the money isn't a problem
 

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Everyone has a right to buy what they want with their own money, but I'm not spending a dime on these ridiculously priced parts. I've been decidedly pro-Nvidia in the past because (to me) they have pushed the performance, introduced the most innovative features, and did their best to differentiate PC ports from their console-based designs. No longer. Not with $800+ suddenly becoming the new norm. Go AMD. Go Intel. Lets get some competition. Whoever has the best $400 card in 2019 gets my money. I'm not paying a tax on forward-looking features I won't use today.
 
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So... the reviews still aren't out for these things?
I think they will be available the 20th according to an article I read a few weeks ago. The 2080 reviews were supposed to start the 18th or 19th and the 2080ti reviews on the 20th.
 

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19th is official review date. The 17th was official date for the 2080 then Nvidia moved it to the same as TI.

20th is the official stock availability date for purchasing.
 

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Optimizations will not help the implementation go from 1080p to 4k.
They don't need to go 4K. Just 1440p60 or 1440p50 would be mighty fine with the amazing GI, reflections and shadows from ray tracing.

We won't see playable frames at 1440p either.
LOL! Are you some kind of developer or what? Of course we will! See you after they do it. I just hope you will have the guts to admit you were wrong. Although looking at the whole Vega Primitive shader fiasco doesn't give me much hope.
 
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Today I was sad I other's were going to be getting their FE cards before I got my FTW3. This video made that a little better. Thanks.
I won't get mine till end of October anyway if that makes you feel any better. Excited for the ftw3 model always liked those.
 

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I won't get mine till end of October anyway if that makes you feel any better. Excited for the ftw3 model always liked those.
I was happy with my 1080ti FTW3. I was ecstatic with my 1080ti FTW3 Hybrid. Silent, cool, and fast. The 2080ti FTW3 is a placeholder until the 2080ti FTW3 Hybrid is released.
 

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Everyone has a right to buy what they want with their own money, but I'm not spending a dime on these ridiculously priced parts. I've been decidedly pro-Nvidia in the past because (to me) they have pushed the performance, introduced the most innovative features, and did their best to differentiate PC ports from their console-based designs. No longer. Not with $800+ suddenly becoming the new norm. Go AMD. Go Intel. Lets get some competition. Whoever has the best $400 card in 2019 gets my money. I'm not paying a tax on forward-looking features I won't use today.

Hell maybe PS5/Xbox 2 will finally make PC gamers leave outside of the ultra high end...4K VRR with 8 core Ryzen and Navi GPU is sounding good right about now.
 

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I was happy with my 1080ti FTW3. I was ecstatic with my 1080ti FTW3 Hybrid. Silent, cool, and fast. The 2080ti FTW3 is a placeholder until the 2080ti FTW3 Hybrid is released.

I've own 1070 FTW and 1080TI FTW cards and both were phenomenal. I'd really like to pickup a 2080TI FTW but the price is really short circuiting my brain and the 2080 just won't be much of a jump from a 1080ti so I may be sitting this one out. I'm a fan of EVGA and after dealing with Gigabyte and Asus's warranty process I'll only go EVGA or MSI for graphics cards moving forward.
 

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I'm not really understanding this discussion about anti-aliasing. For the most part, anti aliasing is free or near free, as it's usually TAA or FXAA, something post process. Multisample anti aliasing isn't supported by many games, and if we're talking about DLSS, well, it's not going to be supported by a whole lot of games either, at least at first.



TAA in Fallout 4, for example, is costing you a few FPS, like 2-3% of your performance, and it's by far the most common form of AA these days.

AA is a tricky one because there's a huge number of different AA techniques and they perform to different degrees in different games, at the low end the post processing AA like FXAA are pretty useless, they just blur the entire screen and are very cheap, but huge amounts of IQ loss. Where as raw SSAA will cost you like 4x the performance because it literally renders 4x larger screen space and then compresses that down.

It's also something that as a performance metric scales with screen resolution, so the impact of enabling it at 1080p is different to the impact of enabling it at 4k. It also tends to be relatively memory hungry so it's going to swipe a huge chunk of your vRAM and so games that are heavy on vRAM can just hit straight smack into memory bottlenecks and that can tank performance.

Also lastly I'd say that performance impact at a game already running at 120fps is not a great measure of this, because the relative impact of AA is going to scale with your frame rate, frame rate is a non linear measurement of performance impact for features like AA. For example https://www.mvps.org/directx/articles/fps_versus_frame_time.htm
 
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I've own 1070 FTW and 1080TI FTW cards and both were phenomenal. I'd really like to pickup a 2080TI FTW but the price is really short circuiting my brain and the 2080 just won't be much of a jump from a 1080ti so I may be sitting this one out. I'm a fan of EVGA and after dealing with Gigabyte and Asus's warranty process I'll only go EVGA or MSI for graphics cards moving forward.
I had a gigabyte 1080ti oc model when it first came out. It had tons of issues, just not stable at all even at the factory oc modes it came with like game mode, etc. I returned it to Newegg and luckily they were out of stock so they refunded me otherwise they would have just sent another or I'd have to pay restocking.

I ended up with the strix oc model and it's been great. Although I hear if you have issues with Asus the process isn't any easier. Never tried msi but I know it's a safe bet with evga for sure.
 
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They don't need to go 4K. Just 1440p60 or 1440p50 would be mighty fine with the amazing GI, reflections and shadows from ray tracing.


LOL! Are you some kind of developer or what? Of course we will! See you after they do it. I just hope you will have the guts to admit you were wrong. Although looking at the whole Vega Primitive shader fiasco doesn't give me much hope.


I love how you quote to remove context just to have a point. People do not buy a 2080Ti to play at 30-40fps 1080p. That is a console players expectations not a person that just bought a $1200 graphics card. You also don't buy a 4k monitor to run at a lower resolution. You don't need to be a developer to know that if you are at console levels of performance you cannot magically optimize to 4k. It's just not how it optimization works. Drivers won't get you there either. Especially not if the claim is "it just works." Let's ignore the fact that literally no one will be stopping to gawk at the leet graphics in a game like BF5. It's like the worst application that could be chosen for visual fidelity. Cut scenes sure, but not gameplay. All I'm hearing is a train of excuses for a launch that will have no games to use the biggest feature the launch was about. The mental gymnastics game you have is impressive to say the least.
 

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People do not buy a 2080Ti to play at 30-40fps 1080p.
Who even said anything about 1080p40? you? You are the only one with that fallacy. Every RTX developer intends to run the game 60fps at the minimum. Then go up from there. BFV already ran 1440p50. with only 14 days of optimizations. They expect 50% more fps with proper code optimizations. I will refer to their better judgement thank you.

You also should expect plenty more once DLSS kicks in these games.

Let's ignore the fact that literally no one will be stopping to gawk at the leet graphics in a game like BF5.
How about you feast your eyes over this fantastic Metro GI video. This is what ray tracing truly means. And this is a monstrous game changing visual upgrade.


All I'm hearing is a train of excuses for a launch that will have no games to use the biggest feature the launch was about. The mental gymnastics game you have is impressive to say the least.
All I am hearing are the same excuses that were there when NVIDIA launched Hardware T&L. Same crap over and over. Guess who prevailed at the end?
 
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Who even said anything about 1080p40? you? You are the only one with that fallacy.

These people are talking about it. Everyone on the Internet is talking about it.
I even used Forbes. Your favorite technical website.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-1080p-60fps-in-new-tomb-raider/#23e021451558

1080p 60fps https://wccftech.com/dice-battlefield-v-60fps-1080p-rtx/ Cinematic 1440p though... Another favorite website of yours BTW.


Every RTX developer intends to run the game 60fps at the minimum. Then go up from there. BFV already ran 1440p50. with only 14 days of optimizations. They expect 50% more fps with proper code optimizations. I will refer to their better judgement thank you.

You also should expect plenty more once DLSS kicks in these games.

The path to a cinematic experience is paved with good intentions. No one buys a $1200 cards for intention. It's not exactly what Nvidia is known for.

DLSS. Yup that's relevant to anything I've said. It's the best way to win an argument. Pivot or move the goal posts. Well at least your arguments do that.

How about you feast your eyes over this fantastic Metro GI video. This is what ray tracing truly means. And this is a monstrous game changing visual upgrade.


Feast? A demo that is mostly comprised of a camera on rails. I don't know what games you play, but in mine I actually control my character. This literally proves my point. Most of the stuff we have seen has all been demo reel. If realtime gameplay were up to snuff we would have seen that more than anything else.

All I am hearing are the same excuses that were there when NVIDIA launched Hardware T&L. Same crap over and over. Guess who prevailed at the end?

Hardware T&L? Lets go back to ancient history to invent a point that can't be had with what we are talking about right now.
 

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Feast? A demo that is mostly comprised of a camera on rails. I don't know what games you play, but in mine I actually control my character. This literally proves my point. Most of the stuff we have seen has all been demo reel. If realtime gameplay were up to snuff we would have seen that more than anything else.
HOW MANY TIMES do you need to know that that demo in the video was PLAYABLE by actual human beings? PEOPLE have played it, and it's actually in the first minute of the video where it shows you the character you play with. For the rest of the video the camera needs to be free to showcase the difference. You know thats how comparative shots are taken!

These people are talking about it. Everyone on the Internet is talking about it.
I even used Forbes. Your favorite technical website.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-1080p-60fps-in-new-tomb-raider/#23e021451558

1080p 60fps https://wccftech.com/dice-battlefield-v-60fps-1080p-rtx/ Cinematic 1440p though... Another favorite website of yours BTW.
I could give you links for those very same devs saying that performance right now is early and not representative of actual fps. And that things will improve ALOT. But I would be wasting my time. You are not worth it.

DLSS. Yup that's relevant to anything I've said.
Yup DLSS. None of the games shown used DLSS yet, they don't even use denoisers which will boost fps a lot.

Hardware T&L? Lets go back to ancient history to invent a point that can't be had with what we are talking about right now.
History is all we ever learn from. Obviously you can't. So I don't feel sorry for you.
 
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