DICE are using denoisers, you can't do decent speed raytracing without them for realtime rendering if you want a decent image. They've been implementing RT for Frostbyte for 8+ months now and have been using standard compute for denoising so they're not yet taking advantage of RTX's Tensors for denoising.Unless you mean they're not using the AI denoisers, that I haven't seen anyone say anything about except Dice who said they aren't using them for BF5.
Who told you I haven't?Wouldn't it be best to just wait for the official reviews before defending something that may or may not need defending at all?
I believe so too ..I believe that is rendered plausibly.
Yeah, same thing happened with Tessellation and hardware t&l too ..All the ray tracing is bad/unrealistic talk this reminds me so strongly of when we first got HDR lighting, but Ati couldn't do it to the same quality Nvidia could (DX9b vs 9c). Everyone with red leanings was convinced the effect was terrible and they hated it! Then Ati caught up and now we all think it's great.
DICE are using denoisers, you can't do decent speed raytracing without them for realtime rendering if you want a decent image. They've been implementing RT for Frostbyte for 8+ months now and have been using standard compute for denoising so they're not yet taking advantage of RTX's Tensors for denoising yet.
uh yeah, sorry. I read it as not using denoisers at all, which isn't what you said.That's what I said. . .
Who told you I haven't?
I don't understand? Your calling yourself a shill?
uh yeah, sorry. I read it as not using denoisers at all, which isn't what you said.
Don't assume, ask. I did watch the video. Sometimes light reflects properly and illuminates the scene, giving it realism, sometimes it does not. The example AtenRa gave is exemplary for the latter situation.clearly you didn't watch the rest of the video. there are far better scenes that demonestrate the advantages of dynamic gi.
I didn't say it looks good, read my post again: I said it looks borderline more realistic, or to put in in more tangible terms for you, both screenshots are equally bad. One lacks the effects of indirect lighting, the other one exaggerates the effect with such zealousness that it ends up crushing the entire scene into dark areas and over illuminated, candy-like surfaces: details in the dark areas are gone, shadows in the intermediate areas are erased. As I said in my previous post, this RTX demo is a Radio Mix, compressed beyond any value just to prove a point - that RT is so much different.I don't really understand how can you say RTX off looks good!
For 1440p the 2080 should be fine. Heck if I didn't want to go to 4k I'd keep my 1080ti for 1440p.I will need to decide. Keep current system (4790k @ 4.6) and get 2080 ti, or get 8700k or 2700x and a 2080? This is for 1440p. Hopefully the decision will be easier to make in the next coming days.
Except I am unwilling to pay ~100% more for 40% greater performance, all else being equal.
It is irrational to defend this reality, and represents the absolute worst generational advancement in price/performance that I can remember.
Again, these cards wouldn't be getting so much flack if the pricing weren't so obviously extortionate.
Then don't. I'm not buying one. No one is saying you should. Also price is no more "extortionate" than Titan X was when it came out. It's just that they moved Titan naming away from gaming now, so "extortionate" pricing now lands on the 2080ti.
Oddly, the card that most complain about (2080 Ti) is also the one that appears to be in the highest demand.
In every poll I have seen, the 2080Ti always leads 2080/2070 by a significant margin for purchase intent.
Ex: https://hardforum.com/threads/poll-will-you-be-buying-a-2080ti-2080-2070.1966862/
2080Ti will probably be in short supply for months.
Regular 2080/2070 may be the much harder sell.
In every poll I have seen, the 2080Ti always leads 2080/2070 by a significant margin for purchase intent.
Ex: https://hardforum.com/threads/poll-will-you-be-buying-a-2080ti-2080-2070.1966862/
Yup, that's what I mean, no developer is using tensor cores for denoising just yet ..have been using standard compute for denoising so they're not yet taking advantage of RTX's Tensors for denoising.
My guess is that it's because the 2080 Ti is the only one which provides a performance uplift in traditional gaming. I don't think people are convinced that RTX is enough value add to justify the increased prices over the 10xx series without a base performance increase as well. Those who just want the best performance will jump straight to the top card. Just a guess though.
Except I am unwilling to pay ~100% more for 40% greater performance, all else being equal.
It is irrational to defend this reality, and represents the absolute worst generational advancement in price/performance that I can remember.
Again, these cards wouldn't be getting so much flack if the pricing weren't so obviously extortionate.
How much better do you think the 20 series cards will be as drivers (and maybe game patches) improve?
developers to start investing in this.
My guess is that it's because the 2080 Ti is the only one which provides a performance uplift in traditional gaming.
So many of you just don't get it. People who buy these cards aren't price/performance cult members.
Don't assume, ask. I did watch the video. Sometimes light reflects properly and illuminates the scene, giving it realism, sometimes it does not. The example AtenRa gave is exemplary for the latter situation.
I didn't say it looks good, read my post again: I said it looks borderline more realistic, or to put in in more tangible terms for you, both screenshots are equally bad. One lacks the effects of indirect lighting, the other one exaggerates the effect with such zealousness that it ends up crushing the entire scene into dark areas and over illuminated, candy-like surfaces: details in the dark areas are gone, shadows in the intermediate areas are erased. As I said in my previous post, this RTX demo is a Radio Mix, compressed beyond any value just to prove a point - that RT is so much different.
And just to repeat myself in case anyone else missed it, my comment is directed towards the demo only, I'm pretty optimistic about RT itself bringing benefits in real time rendering.
Given the large difference between the way Pascal rendered, and the way Turing renders, I expect a lot of improvement.It's new tech so the initial drivers are sure to be marginal at best. I expect improvement up to 10% over the next several months as they get a handle on things.
Buying on price for performance is closer to rational consumer behavior. To ignore that is closer to the irrational behavior of cults. I pre-ordered a RTX 2080 Ti FE because I want playable frame rates in certain games at high resolutions. I don't think that was a very rational decision on my part, though. If money was an issue, I'd have lowered the resolution or render scale.So many of you just don't get it. People who buy these cards aren't price/performance cult members.