Looks too shiny to me. Like the entire world got a polish.
They've got a lot of confidence launching at these prices, scant on details about a new feature-set, and void of comparative benchmarks. I was expecting them to try to sell me on it and it was more or less like they were convinced that everyone was just going to begin buying them or that they didn't necessarily want to sell volume. This is above the pricing of some Quadros.. Which I predicted was their eventual goal. The issue comes down to whether or not you get Quadro level access to the cards which I doubt. So, a month from actual launch and this is what everyone has to go by.. On just about every forum and site on the internet everyone is shocked by the pricing and lack of details.
This is what got Intel into its current troubles. The same patterns.
I think you are ignoring how easy it is to do Ray Tracing from a Dev perspective. It's Tons of work to fake out lighting/shadows/reflections with rasterization, but Ray tracing is more like turn it on and it works.
An unfortunate thing that might happen is that devs spend less time tweaking all faked out rasterized stuff to perfection, when they can just do "good enough" for rasterized, and say turn on Ray Tracing if you want the best effects.
Yea I comepletely forgot about that game. If done right, it will be nice. Especially when it's raining too.
I should just get a loan for the dual Quadro rtx they calmly list on the page for $20k.You will need a second 2080Ti for raytraced rain. For 1080p/30fps!
Nope, they're pushing exactly 11 games from the list with Real-Time Ray TracingNVIDIA is pushing 21 games right now:
https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/98vwif/games_supporting_rtx/
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/...racing-and-ai-to-barrage-of-blockbuster-gamesBroad Game Adoption of Real-Time Ray Tracing
Games that will feature real-time ray tracing include the following, with more to come:
- Assetto Corsa Competizione from Kunos Simulazioni/505 Games
- Atomic Heart from Mundfish
- Battlefield V from EA/DICE
- Control from Remedy Entertainment/505 Games
- Enlisted from Gaijin Entertainment/Darkflow Software
- Justice from NetEase
- JX3 from Kingsoft
- MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries from Piranha Games
- Metro Exodus from 4A Games
- ProjectDH from Nexon’s devCAT Studio
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider from Square Enix/Eidos-Montréal/Crystal Dynamics/Nixxes
Excactly what one could fear. Overcooked.Looks too shiny to me. Like the entire world got a polish.
It's still a decent number in the beginning of support.Nope, they're pushing exactly 11 games from the list with Real-Time Ray Tracing
Also not a fan of these prices.Not buying at these ridiculous prices. I hope they'll sell 0.
Excactly what one could fear. Overcooked.
The water under the planes look nice though.
But anyway this sort of graphics means nothing for experience imo. I would rate physics and art design much much higher. Makes bf1 so good.
Wow, I never saw this side of you. Normally so jovial, I guess this shocks everyone, and I FULLY agree with your reaction.I have joked and talked a lot about Ti cards being sold at $1,500 some day. I honestly didn't expect them to be at $1,200+ already, which they are, and that's the real pricing. It's not inflated. Nvidia knows they will sell out instantly, which I am certain they already have. I know it's preorders, but the EVGA website crashed on me when I tried to visit.
I feel bad (very bad) right now for the average enthusiast gamer. I'm talking about the high school kid or young college kid who saved their money for that badass new gaming rig or GPU upgrade. Or the young dad with kids who still loves gaming but can't justify the expensive big cards due to other priorities. Those people always had the second tier card to look forward to which was almost as good as the X80 class, they had the X70 card at $3-400. Well, a large portion of those people no longer have that card now because it's been priced at $500 minimum.
I also am very bothered by the ray tracing demos they showed. They showed with ray tracing on, and it looked pretty good I guess, but then they turned it off and all the effects, reflections, and in some cases, shadows, were gone completely! He gave an excuse and said, "Without RTX, these shadows are SO HARD to do, the developers just don't do them at all!". That's a nice BS way to try and force people to buy your card. Make the game look like crap, on purpose, unless you unlock the graphics features with the new GPUs, or make it lag so bad on old cards as to be unplayable.
I feel bad for a lot of people right now who probably feel like PC gaming is no longer for them. Nvidia is alienating a massive audience at this moment and they are relying on those with deep pockets almost exclusively. When competition returns and if the competing products are half way decent, I think Nvidia may find they've lost a lot of good will and mind share over this. They are turning into Intel, and we all saw how eager people were to buy a Ryzen, in many cases just to give Intel the finger. I think it could be worse for Nvidia.
I have cash set aside for a GPU upgrade, but I won't be spending it on a 2000 series regardless of how well they perform. I won't buy one. I won't buy one out of solidarity with fellow gamers. Straight up. If they don't get one, I don't get one. Not this time anyway. I would say it's too expensive and not worth it, but the reality is if I want an upgrade from a 1080Ti, this is what it will cost, and that's what I'd pay. But I won't do it.
The other 10 games on the list (including some with RTRT-Support) will only use DLSS.
No performance data no $$$.Had they showed comparison benchmarks with rtx on and off and with the little brother 1080ti I probably would have pre ordered one if the performance is as great as they were talking about. They made it sound like "the 2070 is better the titan xp" and by that statement they expected people to simply believe that the 2080ti is faster by a whole lot. But they were referring to ray trace.
The whole presentation felt like a software presentation.
No performance data no $$$.
Very sneaky comparing 2070 to titan xp w/ the caveat being ray tracing performance.
This was another slight of hand being that they were $100/$200 less than what the actual cards cost.Did you notice the complete absence of enthusiasm when the leather clad man showed these prices? What the heck are they thinking??
If you got the 2080ti please do some benchmarks for us. I'm very interested in to see vanilla performance in games we play now.In case anyone is interested, as soon as mine comes in my 1080 will be $500.00 shipped. PM me
I always enjoy reading your posts for some reason. Yup they are alienating a lot of gamers. Hell I'm 31 years old and the reason I still love playing games and messing with pc's is because growing up I didn't even have toys where I lived. Consoles were something only the upper class neighbors had and I looked forward to every haircut because my barber had a super Nintendo in his shop. And of course my parents are foreign so it was study, study, study, video games are stupid and a waste of time.I have joked and talked a lot about Ti cards being sold at $1,500 some day. I honestly didn't expect them to be at $1,200+ already, which they are, and that's the real pricing. It's not inflated. Nvidia knows they will sell out instantly, which I am certain they already have. I know it's preorders, but the EVGA website crashed on me when I tried to visit.
I feel bad (very bad) right now for the average enthusiast gamer. I'm talking about the high school kid or young college kid who saved their money for that badass new gaming rig or GPU upgrade. Or the young dad with kids who still loves gaming but can't justify the expensive big cards due to other priorities. Those people always had the second tier card to look forward to which was almost as good as the X80 class, they had the X70 card at $3-400. Well, a large portion of those people no longer have that card now because it's been priced at $500 minimum.
I also am very bothered by the ray tracing demos they showed. They showed with ray tracing on, and it looked pretty good I guess, but then they turned it off and all the effects, reflections, and in some cases, shadows, were gone completely! He gave an excuse and said, "Without RTX, these shadows are SO HARD to do, the developers just don't do them at all!". That's a nice BS way to try and force people to buy your card. Make the game look like crap, on purpose, unless you unlock the graphics features with the new GPUs, or make it lag so bad on old cards as to be unplayable.
I feel bad for a lot of people right now who probably feel like PC gaming is no longer for them. Nvidia is alienating a massive audience at this moment and they are relying on those with deep pockets almost exclusively. When competition returns and if the competing products are half way decent, I think Nvidia may find they've lost a lot of good will and mind share over this. They are turning into Intel, and we all saw how eager people were to buy a Ryzen, in many cases just to give Intel the finger. I think it could be worse for Nvidia.
I have cash set aside for a GPU upgrade, but I won't be spending it on a 2000 series regardless of how well they perform. I won't buy one. I won't buy one out of solidarity with fellow gamers. Straight up. If they don't get one, I don't get one. Not this time anyway. I would say it's too expensive and not worth it, but the reality is if I want an upgrade from a 1080Ti, this is what it will cost, and that's what I'd pay. But I won't do it.
In case anyone is interested, as soon as mine comes in my 1080 will be redacted. PM me
In case anyone is interested, as soon as mine comes in my 1080 will be redacted. PM me
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