Yep, They literally have priced the 2080 at the price point of the near peak price people were paying for 1080s during coin mania. I had a nasty feeling this was going to be the longterm end result after people continually bought the cards at such heightened prices. They showed Nvidia there was a market willing to pay such prices and now like any good business, Nvidia's moving in for the kill.
Absolutely not. Not only is it crazy to say that someone's shadow is more noticeable as they run down a hill than, you know, a person running down a hill, but the light source is casting a shadow in the opposite direction than what would be required for the opponent to "see him coming".0:30-0:31- shadow improperly rendered as the guy was falling down the cliff, RT would have enabled the guy ahead to see him incoming earlier.
Not even sure what the argument for RT helping here is so . . .0:40-0:41- cresting the hill segment literally everything lighting related rendered wrong, positioning was impossible to determine- can't tell based on the angle of light if it would have benefited the players, maybe.
Again, shadow isn't missing, at least there's no way of really telling because the light source is in front of the player's view so the shadow would be casting behind him. I don't face the sun and look down at the ground and say my shadow is missing. Also, just as before, if there's someone on a hill above me jumping at me, I don't think my first clue I'm in danger would be a shadow being cast from his body, even if the light source was behind him instead of behind me as in the video.1:24-1:25 shadow missing when he jumps down giving the player a decided advantage.
Nope. Muzzle flashes exist in the game, you can see plenty examples of it. In this game, you don't see your own muzzle flashes or they are heavily muted for a reason. That doesn't mean other players don't see it though.1:34-1:35 missing muzzle flashes hid his location from oncoming-
Nope, as all your arguments for this game are silly as is your example of pinpointing an opponent through a car door (or whatever object) reflection. Even with RT, that will not happen in this game. It's also just not realistic whatsoever. I'd love to hear the story of a soldier taking down an enemy combatant that starts, "So first, I pinpointed his position through the reflection of the door of the car parked on the corner." Just trying to do that in BF5 would get you killed. P.S. The way reflections work, if you can see them, they can see you so it doesn't really benefit you much even if you were able to pull it off.I could keep going with this, is it really necessary though?
not sure if serious..........I am glad that we are are finally at least trying to have better IQ in game, that field has almost been forgotten . NV still has to push it though, the developers have become too lazy now a days.
Ofcource. Try playing bf1 at 4k vs1080. Higher res in that type of game not only adds visual quality. It also adds to the experience and gives a compettitive edge. Onlike eg. Higher res textures that mean next to nothing in that regard. Needs to be experienced.So you don't think they should offer 4K resolution either, right?
I hope so too but the issue of pricing might reemerge. They won't cannabalize the RTX trio but won't provide value in performance a few dollars away. Price it close enough perf-wise after AIB RTX boards dip a bit and everyone will just say 'eff it' and go for the RTX.You know what? This feels weird. I think Nvidia might release an 1100 series with GTX naming still. Maybe they just wanted to dump a ton of Turing dies onto gamers because they weren't good enough for Quadros? A Pascal refresh still makes sense IMO. The only thing that doesn't make sense in doing this, is it would take people away from embracing the ray tracing tech for a while longer. But, anyone who didn't want to spend the money on an RTX wouldn't have bought one anyway, so might as well sell them a refreshed Pascal 1100 series.
I know, it's a long shot and probably won't happen, but he did emphasize "The RTX family" quite a lot, which indicates to me that GTX isn't going anywhere just yet, and GTX is due for a refresh. I feel there is about a 60% chance of this happening.
Nvidia knows there are LEGIONS of disappointed gamers who can't spend this much, or refuse to. If they announce an 1100 series refresh at far less prices, there will be a slingshot effect in these people I believe, where they feel relief and buy the 1100 series card.
I'm trying to be positive and assume that Nvidia wouldn't just kick their customers in the teeth and walk away like this. I wouldn't blame them for pretending like the RTX series is all there is, because people will spend the big money on these. If they knew a faster Pascal was waiting in the wings, many might hold out and not spend so much on RTX.
I don't get why so many people here are upset about the pricing. Yes it sucks, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy these cards. People who own 1070 and above don't even need to upgrade anytime soon. People with older cards can just get a used 980ti or 1070/1080/1080ti now that the prices have come down. If you believe that the new products are too expensive then vote with your wallet. Read a lot of posts in here that are angry with Nvidia regarding the new cards but ordered one anyway "because they had to". I get some enthusiasts have an addiction for upgrading every year by selling their older cards but this time around even that doesn't seem to be a good idea as price difference is huge between used last gen cards and new current gen ones.
Do we not want higher performance to enable better visuals? Is that not the reason for it? I'm just trying to establish baselines of what discussion I'm having
Unfortunately if the marketplace allows it and the lack of competition allows it plus silly things like the mining craze happens then welcome to keeping nvidia's stock happy.I got my GTX 970 with two free games for $270-280 after a $20 rebate a few years ago. They used to start the prices higher and lower them over time. Now they keep the prices at the inflated MSRP throughout the production cycle until the next product release version.
You know what? This feels weird. I think Nvidia might release an 1100 series with GTX naming still. Maybe they just wanted to dump a ton of Turing dies onto gamers because they weren't good enough for Quadros? A Pascal refresh still makes sense IMO. The only thing that doesn't make sense in doing this, is it would take people away from embracing the ray tracing tech for a while longer. But, anyone who didn't want to spend the money on an RTX wouldn't have bought one anyway, so might as well sell them a refreshed Pascal 1100 series.
I know, it's a long shot and probably won't happen, but he did emphasize "The RTX family" quite a lot, which indicates to me that GTX isn't going anywhere just yet, and GTX is due for a refresh. I feel there is about a 60% chance of this happening.
Nvidia knows there are LEGIONS of disappointed gamers who can't spend this much, or refuse to. If they announce an 1100 series refresh at far less prices, there will be a slingshot effect in these people I believe, where they feel relief and buy the 1100 series card.
I'm trying to be positive and assume that Nvidia wouldn't just kick their customers in the teeth and walk away like this. I wouldn't blame them for pretending like the RTX series is all there is, because people will spend the big money on these. If they knew a faster Pascal was waiting in the wings, many might hold out and not spend so much on RTX.
Yeah, also the ray tracing is the future now that it is finally starting to become viable. Next iteration will just strengthen that even further.Not happening. 7nm is not that far away and that is probably when they will push RTX into more mainstream. Expect GTX to be phased out in next couple of years.
Hoping that AMD comes along to save us gamers from NV prices is silly. Nvidia has such a head start it’s not even funny. The talent gap is too large...
I have to think that if the cards were much faster sans the RTX stuff, we'd have seen a demo of that.Let's be clear, the competition isn't AMD right now. It's the Nvidia 1000 series. A 2070's shader specs are worse than a 1080's! The only thing that appears to save it, based on what we can see now, is the GDDR6 bandwidth. I'd estimate a 2070 will be about the same performance as a 1080 in games. Worse in mining and distributed computing.
There is one wild card, though, and that's the claim that the 2000 series will be able to do integer and floating point math simultaneously. This sounds a lot like hyper-threading. Gains from that are hard to predict; if it works like they claim, on games I'd roughly guess a 10-50% improvement, but I don't know how games use the shader hardware. On mining and DC, gains from that will be either 0% or something up to ~70%; probably somewhere in between and very dependent on the application. And if it doesn't work like they claim gains will be just 0%.
Says the guy who was telling us he was certain we were not getting RTX cards but plain old GTX cards:
I don't think your guesswork is worth much. RTX HW is what NVidia is delivering, and they have been working with devs behind the scenes to get support into major game engines, and to get updates for already shipping games.
I don't see how Turing can be a re-hash if the SM is all new?Yeah, this is just a stopgap with the same architecture and GDDR6 added on, bigger die to increase the cores and add the ray tracing cores. Its essentially a one off, naming scheme for 7nm graphic cards are still GTX. What Nvidia is delivering here is a stopgap to 7nm. AMD has advantage and priority on 7nm, so Nvidia are essentially reshashing their old products, adding a specified RTX core for ray tracing and calling it new.
Nvidia know AMD will be first to market with 7nm, so rather than react to them and release second, they are releasing new GPU's now to maximize profits to cover for the slight downtime on going second for 7nm.
? Going from KB/M to potato controller and you would make the switch in an instant? I dont know how all these peasants can aim with those freaking analog sticks