Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

[AtenRa]

So It's a ZERO percent price increase for Big Chip at intro.

GTX580 MSRP = $499 (November 2010)
GTX780 MSRP = $649 (May 2013) = 30% increase
GTX780Ti MSRP = $699 (November 2013) = 40% increase over GTX580
GTX2080Ti MSRP = $999 (Sept 2018) = 100% increase over GTX580.

This is the sad truth, Top single chip Graphics Card prices have doubled since 8 year ago.

 

[sze5003]

GTX580 MSRP = $499 (November 2010)
GTX780 MSRP = $649 (May 2013) = 30% increase
GTX780Ti MSRP = $699 (November 2013) = 40% increase over GTX580
GTX2080Ti MSRP = $999 (Sept 2018) = 100% increase over GTX580.

This is the sad truth, Top single chip Graphics Card prices have doubled since 8 year ago.

MSRP from Nvidia doesn't really mean anything. They have been doing the whole here's the MSRP but you actually get to pay the FE price for a long time thing, since before the last generation.

 

[realibrad]

GTX580 MSRP = $499 (November 2010)
GTX780 MSRP = $649 (May 2013) = 30% increase
GTX780Ti MSRP = $699 (November 2013) = 40% increase over GTX580
GTX2080Ti MSRP = $999 (Sept 2018) = 100% increase over GTX580.

This is the sad truth, Top single chip Graphics Card prices have doubled since 8 year ago.

We saw higher before though. 8800 GTX $599-$649. 8800 Ultra $829+.

 

[Hitman928]

No, you don't get it. They could call it x080Ti, Titan, Shirley or a Rose.

It's still the first appearance for Big Turing, and it cost the same $1200 as the first appearance of Big Pascal (which was a lot smaller than Big Turing).

The intro price is the same as last release, though it seems the forums would have been quieter if they called it Titan.

It doesn't appear to have affected actual sales though, it looks like RTX Titan, ooops, RTX 2080Ti was the first thing to sell out.

Ok, that's fine. So when can I buy a cut down 2080Ti at the previous 1080 Ti price point?

 

[crisium]

Someone left this in [H], unsure the true source:

1080p no-AA vs 1080p with DLSS? I'm not sure exactly what to learn from this out of context.

 

[Qwertilot]

Presumably demonstrating that DLSS at least vaguely (from the looks of it quite well even) works as an AA method

On that one picture of course, by its very nature it has the potential to be a bit patchy.

 

[DooKey]

That's actually something from Ansel RTX that comes with GeForce Experience. It allows you to up-rez your in-game captures.

 

[Malogeek]

That's actually something from Ansel RTX that comes with GeForce Experience. It allows you to up-rez your in-game captures.

That makes more sense as a use case.

 

[AtenRa]

We saw higher before though. 8800 GTX $599-$649. 8800 Ultra $829+.

Curiously that was the time that NV was playing alone again when ATI had its HD2900 disaster.

 

[swilli89]

Have to wait until Sept 14 or 20th..whenever the cards ship out.

Super lame.

Record high prices and they choose to combine that with zero performance information for the first time ever. Reminds me of the awful Vega launch and those stupid blind comparisons they had going against the 1080. NVIDIA knows exactly how well these cards perform so why not flaunt it when all the world is watching their event?

 

[Malogeek]

Record high prices and they choose to combine that with zero performance information for the first time ever. Reminds me of the awful Vega launch and those stupid blind comparisons they had going against the 1080. NVIDIA knows exactly how well these cards perform so why not flaunt it when all the world is watching their event?

But we have awesome marketing graphs and vague numbers!

 

[Hitman928]

Curiously that was the time that NV was playing alone again when ATI had its HD2900 disaster.

Yep. It was 2 generations later that ATI swooped in with the 4xxx series which demolished the current perf/$ pricing structure which forced Nvidia to cut the price on their existing 2xx line. Hoping we get a repeat from that time again, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[sze5003]

Super lame.

Record high prices and they choose to combine that with zero performance information for the first time ever. Reminds me of the awful Vega launch and those stupid blind comparisons they had going against the 1080. NVIDIA knows exactly how well these cards perform so why not flaunt it when all the world is watching their event?

Perhaps because they don't really perform that much better? Sure the 2080 looks like it matches the 1080ti but if the 2080ti is not leaps faster than 1080ti for the price you cant really boast about it when you're marketing it for rtx and turns out rtx is a frame killer because the tech isn't there yet.

 

[AtenRa]

Super lame.

Record high prices and they choose to combine that with zero performance information for the first time ever. Reminds me of the awful Vega launch and those stupid blind comparisons they had going against the 1080. NVIDIA knows exactly how well these cards perform so why not flaunt it when all the world is watching their event?

I believe they increased the prices and didnt release any performance slides on purpose to sell as many GTX1xxx as they can.

 

[dlerious]

What?

For the top card this is really just semantics. RTX 2080Ti is really this generations Titan X. Big Pascal GP102 first showed up in the Titan X at $1200. This generation Big Turing TU102 first shows up in the RTX 2080Ti at $1200.

So It's a ZERO percent price increase for Big Chip at intro.


For RTX 2080 is 699 MSRP-799 FE. GTX 1080 was 599 MSRP, 699 FE. For the Founders of each 799/699 = 14% increase.
Also note that at intro GTX 980 was $549, so getting GTX 1080 at Intro was 699/549 27% increase over a GTX 980 at intro. Note worse price jump for GTX 1000 series.

For RTX 2070 is 499 MSRP - 599 FE, GTX 1070 379 MSRP - 449 FE. = 599/449 = 33% increase. Though again the price jump was worse at 1070 Intro 449/329 = 36% increase over the 970.

Price increases are really not that much at intro over previous generation intro, and are actually less steep than increases for intro pricing of the wildly popular GTX 1000 series.

Also any supposed claims of perf/$ regression, need to wait on actual benchmarks.

But don't let me interrupt the hysteria.

Those are reference card prices on the 20 series, not Founders edition. Looking at the AIB cards, the cheapest 2080 is $750 and the cheapest 2080Ti is $1149. I don't see the AIB partners going much lower (looks like $50) than the FE prices. Can't get a 2070 yet - and it seems they've gimped that for NVLink, moving it up to the x80 and higher. 1000 series it was 1070 and higher for SLI.

 

[iiiankiii]

Man, this sucks. We need competition from AMD. The price gouging from Nvidia is ridiculous. Increased in price across ALL tiers. Love new tech. But, nobody should be happy about this price creep.

 

[Qwertilot]

GTX580 MSRP = $499 (November 2010)
GTX780 MSRP = $649 (May 2013) = 30% increase
GTX780Ti MSRP = $699 (November 2013) = 40% increase over GTX580
GTX2080Ti MSRP = $999 (Sept 2018) = 100% increase over GTX580.

This is the sad truth, Top single chip Graphics Card prices have doubled since 8 year ago.

I'm getting a bit bored of this

There’s a whole range of more expensive GFX cards NV have been selling you’ve missed out in that list - Titans. Once they established people will pay that for first/early bite at purely GFX based big dies (the Pascal Titan), were they ever going to give that price point up??

The only thing which has changed is that the Titan brand is now firmly compute die based. The 2080ti is definitely ‘Titan T’.

If they sell this range for much over 12 months we’ll get a cheaper big die based chip next year. Maybe two.

It isn’t remotely as melodramatic but its the 1070/80 vs 2070/80 pricing you have to watch, although that obviously has to be launch price vs launch price.

 

[PeterScott]

Thanks for disregarding everything I said about Titan being a harbinger of a Ti a short time later, and now there is nothing expected forthcoming.

Well since your complaint is about possible pricing 6 months into the future, it has little to do with the launch.

I guess you can come back and complain in 6 months about the how the pricing is then, and how 6 month later on GTX 1000 series, you had a cheaper card.

But for the launch the top prices about the same as last release.

 

[PeterScott]

Someone left this in [H], unsure the true source:

1080p no-AA vs 1080p with DLSS? I'm not sure exactly what to learn from this out of context.

AI Up-Res, and DLSS are two different things.

Also images like the above are very misleading, Because they are comparing some upsize algorithm vs "nearest-neighbor" zoom on the original. Which of course makes the original look all pixelated.

If you use conventional bicubic upsize on the original 1080p image, it would likely be very close to the AI Up-Res.

Edit:
IMO DLSS is post process frame buffer AA, much like FXAA, except hopefully much better looking.

NVidia use SS (Super Sampling) in the name, because Super Sampling is still regarded as the best (but often too expensive) AA method.

So they want to equate a low overhead post process frame buffer AA, with high quality SSAA for marketing purposes.

I doubt it will look anywhere near as good as SSAA. But in early days this would be a lot more important to me than Ray Tracing if it is really good. It might make the 2070 more viable for people who want to run with AA all the time.

Even Later Edit:

One more thing occurs.

If DLSS uses the tensor cores, does that mean if you use DLSS while Ray Tracing there is a hit to Ray Tracing, since it also uses the Tensor cores?

 

[Hitman928]

If DLSS uses the tensor cores, does that mean if you use DLSS while Ray Tracing there is a hit to Ray Tracing, since it also uses the Tensor cores?

I thought they were 2 separate blocks, RT cores and separate tensor cores.

 

[Qwertilot]

The ray tracing hardware does a limited number of rays then the tensor cores go all neural net to make it look pretty

Presumably yes. I'm not absolutely sure if any scheduled games are going to use both?

 

[pcslookout]

I have real benchmark numbers but won't post them because of zinfamous

 

[Hitman928]

The ray tracing hardware does a limited number of rays then the tensor cores go all neural net to make it look pretty

Presumably yes. I'm not absolutely sure if any scheduled games are going to use both?

Ahh, yes, that's right. Forgot they were using the tensor cores for the denoising (+ more?).

 

[Timmah!]

you sir are confused... Big die first has never happened since Tesla 1.0 generation.

The GF110 released as the GTX580 in Nov of 2010, very easily could have simply been the GTX480ti... it wasnt anything new... Yes, the gtx 500 was the big die... but it wasnt first...
Did you forget that Fermi had been around for a whole rounds of cards before that? GF100 As the GTX480, preceeded it by 9 months earlier in March of 2010.

What happened with the GTX 500 series is exactly the same marketing gimmick I am describing, that i believe is going to be repeated for the third time... and you fell for it...

A gimmick that i might add which was a repeat of the 8800GTX G80 vs 9800GTX G92 debacle...

the LAST time a big die product was released as the first product in a architecture generation was 2004 with the Geforce 6800 Ultra being launched first...

You say:
Big die first has never happened since Tesla 1.0 which is 8800 series
Last time big die product was released first in architecture generation was geforce 6800 ultra...

So which one is it? Yet it is me who is confused...

Not to mention it happened with fermi last time... which was gtx 400 series, not 500, i give you that, i made a mistake.... still that was a year before gtx 580, so it was 2010; not 2011... hence my point regarding 20 years stands.

 

[Kenmitch]

Man, this sucks. We need competition from AMD. The price gouging from Nvidia is ridiculous. Increased in price across ALL tiers. Love new tech. But, nobody should be happy about this price creep.

Yep it sucks! Sadly the cry for competition is mainly to get nvidia offerings for cheaper.