LoLs,
You know we had early adopters before FE even was created in the minds of NV marketing and no they didnt pay more for it. What the hell, are you serious ???
FE isn't an early adopter card, it's a PC manufacturer card - it's designed to last the life time of that card. An early adopters card would stop selling after a few months once all the early adopters bought it.
You can count on the fact that RTX 2070 wont reach GTX1080Ti. No way. I'm expecting around 10% above GTX 1080Ti, but for RTX 2080.Sorry but GTX1070 MSRP was $379, the FE was at $450.
Secondly, price increases started with GTX680 and not GTX1xxx
Thirdly, RTX2070 even at $450 if it cannot reach GTX1080Ti is a failed product.
I don't expect the 2070 to be anywhere near the 1080ti. Probably closer to the 1070ti if anything. And since the speculated 35% increase for 2080ti , I think you may be correct for 10% above 1080ti for the 2080.You can count on the fact that RTX 2070 wont reach GTX1080Ti. No way. I'm expecting around 10% above GTX 1080Ti, but for RTX 2080.
So exhausting reading post after post after post after post about whether this and that are “worth it”. Figure it out.
This is the new pricing for a top end TI card.
Get over it, or play old gen cards.
Do you need more power or not? If you do how much is that “worth” to YOU.
Pretty simple stuff that’s clogging the forums with endless “worth it” threads and posts. Good grief kids. Do you seriously need other people to spend your money for you?
On a tech forum, I consider it worth discussing that wide percentages of the actual market that purchases these products, "gamers," are officially being priced out of their chosen hobby. (...if only such that company A can maintain their record-setting margins as long as possible, for the sole benefit of shareholders and short-term gains--a bit of a different topic, but appropriate perhaps somewhere else).
It is quite valid, I think, for those that have been in this area for many decades to express the simple and obvious observation that this area no longer exists for them.
The most popular gaming cards by far are the 50 and 60 series GTX cards, so for the widest percentage of gamers, it isn't about the RTX card niche at all, so I don't see them being priced out, but we haven't seen 2050/2060 pricing yet.
OTOH it is certainly getting much more expensive to be top end gaming enthusiast PC builder.
With regards to FE releases, there's also the component of reviews.
By releasing the FE cards first as a "halo" / "early adopter" card and waiting a few weeks / months to drop the reference edition, they solidify the FE performance level as the baseline in review charts.
While this is no doubt closer to OC / AIB products, it does give NV an additional advantage over AMD in many review charts. This effect not only sways the initial perception of the cards, but also leaves a lasting impression for historical performance comparisons.
Hey, remember when the actual midrange was ~$200 and less, and high-end was maybe $350-500? good times.
Yeah. I bought 8800GT for less than $200, and it was awesome. After Pascal release I was hoping to get a GTX 1060 for $200, but it was $250 MSRP and $300 FE, and then Mining...
Now I just keep holding off my purchase longer and longer.
So I totally get where you are coming from.
What are you currently using?
8800GT
It's saving me a lot money on games that it won't play.
I don't expect the 2070 to be anywhere near the 1080ti. Probably closer to the 1070ti if anything. And since the speculated 35% increase for 2080ti , I think you may be correct for 10% above 1080ti for the 2080.
This^ . The AIB cards are shipping 9/20. The 2080 goes from a single $750 Zotac blower card to $870 and the 2080Ti is $1170 to $1300 on Newegg. They're doing an AMDFE isn't an early adopter card, it's a PC manufacturer card - it's designed to last the life time of that card. An early adopters card would stop selling after a few months once all the early adopters bought it, it would also generally be a basic reference for after market cards to improve on. The FE is the opposite - it's got to be there as long as the card is being sold so PC manufacturer can reliably order them to put in their machines. In addition it's got to be high quality so there's low warranty returns due to gpu failure as that costs manufacturers lots of money. Yes it costs more, but for PC manufacturers it's worth the extra.
For the 2xxx series this is more obvious then ever as the aib cards are going to be available pretty well from day 1. You don't need to buy the card direct from Nvidia.
I do agree however it makes the lower MRSP a bit meaningless, as no one is saying they will produce cards at that price - something you would get with a more budget pre-FE Nvidia card.
It's not like we can look at AMD as some sort of shining light on how to do it - their solution was to produce a few cards of FE quality, sell them cheap and then permanently raise the prices on those same cards once the reviews quoting the low price were out.
8800GT
It's saving me a lot money on games that it won't play.
Heh, i just installed my GTX480 today. I can still play a lot of my games and i want to see if BF V will even run on it
ahahaha Fermi time
I don't know if the 50/60 cards will get ray tracing, kind of doubt it, but if the vast majority of people are running cards that can't do it, what are the chances that developers are going to be putting all those features in their games (other than being paid by Nvidia).The most popular gaming cards by far are the 50 and 60 series GTX cards, so for the widest percentage of gamers, it isn't about the RTX card niche at all, so I don't see them being priced out, but we haven't seen 2050/2060 pricing yet.
OTOH it is certainly getting much more expensive to be top end gaming enthusiast PC builder.
I think you are going a little too far with this one, even a GT 1030 is a huge upgrade, but hey if you wait a little longer the GT 2050 or 2030 will probably be even better, and maybe it will run RT at 480P30!
The most popular gaming cards by far are the 50 and 60 series GTX cards, so for the widest percentage of gamers, it isn't about the RTX card niche at all, so I don't see them being priced out, but we haven't seen 2050/2060 pricing yet.
OTOH it is certainly getting much more expensive to be top end gaming enthusiast PC builder.